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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Absolutely: Cardiac posted:Ah, the Tucker Carlson of Sweden. Did Lindberg try to join the Swedish left-wing counterpart to the CIA? Did Lindberg's stepmother own parts of and sell a large corporation that is as large as Swanson Frozen Foods? edit:  Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Soviet sniper with 309 kills fighting Nazis. Jon Pod Van Damm fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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Reminder that you can get jail time for non-violent crimes like begging on the street. https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/regeringen-vil-udvise-alle-udlaendinge-der-faar-en-ubetinget-dom quote:Hvis en udlænding får en ubetinget dom, skal vedkommende som udgangspunkt altid udvises fra Danmark.
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TheFluff posted:cardiac being factually wrong? The GOP and S have a certain resemblance since they both work to keep the status quo. Actual politics is another thing. The Anders Lindberg of 2015 would call the current S horrible racists, but as he is S, he is always on the right side (irrespective if the side varied between two days). His sole purpose is to sling dirt in a manner reminiscent of Trumps media strategy. Edit: M had lower polls leading up to last election than actual results and vice versa for SD. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Cardiac posted:The GOP and S have a certain resemblance since they both work to keep the status quo. Actual politics is another thing.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The GOP is not for the status quo, what are you talking about. The Democrats are the status quo party, to the point that they as a party can't even conceive of politics as a way to change things, and are thus repeatedly blindsided by Republicans. Why do you think conservatives are called conservatives, and would you say that GOP aren’t conservatives?
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Aug 27, 2022 19:18
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I can just repost the live Tucker reaction image wrt: the GOP and S comparable. Sure they want the “status quo”, but their ideas of status quo are wildly loving different.
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Aug 27, 2022 19:19
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Why do you think conservatives are called conservatives, and would you say that GOP aren’t conservatives? What the status quo is now is not what the naz… eh GOP wants. They want to revert things back to something more brutal.
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F4rt5 posted:What the status quo is now is not what the naz… eh GOP wants. They want to revert things back to something more brutal. They are progressives, actually. They want the society to progress toward greater patriarchy and plutocracy.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Why do you think conservatives are called conservatives, and would you say that GOP aren’t conservatives?
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F4rt5 posted:What the status quo is now is not what the naz… eh GOP wants. They want to revert things back to something more brutal. Between the two though, GOP is the one party for which status quo wouldn't be a death knell, in which I'd say they're the more deserving US party of “the status quo party” monicker. A Buttery Pastry posted:Yes. They're reactionaries, wanting to turn back the clock on progress or create their own version of progress counter to that of their political enemies. The conservatives are the Democratic right wing. Sure, that'd be more accurate. I get that it's hot to poo poo on Dems, but expectations of nuance should go both ways.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Between the two though, GOP is the one party for which status quo wouldn't be a death knell, in which I'd say they're the more deserving US party of “the status quo party” monicker. The Democratic Party is literally the party of people who just want to go to brunch, with a bunch of captured voters who vote for them just so things don't get worse rather. They're the people who were on top when history ended, and see no reason to change anything at all. cinci zoo sniper posted:Sure, that'd be more accurate. I get that it's hot to poo poo on Dems, but expectations of nuance should go both ways.
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shut the gently caress up about american loving politics, gently caress most threads on this godforsaken forum are about that poo poo, we don't need this one too
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It absolutely would. The GOP's voters demand action, hence them getting rid of incumbents in favor of more radical politicians who will more fervently carry out their political project. That's why the GOP is in constant flux, and does things like overturn decades old supreme court decisions. A Buttery Pastry posted:The Democratic Party is literally the party of people who just want to go to brunch, with a bunch of captured voters who vote for them just so things don't get worse rather. They're the people who were on top when history ended, and see no reason to change anything at all. Edit: A Buttery Pastry posted:The Democrats are the status quo party To summarize, as TheFluff has a point – if you're trying to call someone out for using imprecise language, consider using precise language in your example to the contrary. Saying “Dems bad and don't do anything” is not good enough for D&D. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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TheFluff posted:shut the gently caress up about american loving politics, gently caress I was gonna actually apologize for continuing the derail myself, but given D&D rules I'm not sure I'm even allowed not to respond. Especially when dealing with a mod that clearly has an ideological bone to pick. cinci zoo sniper posted:To summarize, as TheFluff has a point – if you're trying to call someone out for using imprecise language, consider using precise language in your example to the contrary. Saying “Dems bad and don't do anything” is not good enough for D&D.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You're right. Not sure why we even have a mod butting into this thread and making the topic about American politics like this, when I had already made my point perfectly clear in my first post. There's a surprisingly easy way to avoid disagreeable reads of the posts you make. However, if your primary reaction to someone not reading your mind is to accuse them of a politically motivated attack, a more relaxed subforum may suit you better. And no, nothing in D&D rules prevents you from candidly bowing out of a derail.
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Why is a mod shitstirrin' in the scandipol thread?
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Anyway, with this new proposed ban on religious headwear in Danish schools, in just worried where it will end? Now it's scarves, but in a few short years everyone will likely be forced to go to school in their underpants or less!
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TheFluff posted:shut the gently caress up about american loving politics, gently caress 
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BonHair posted:Anyway, with this new proposed ban on religious headwear in Danish schools, in just worried where it will end? Now it's scarves, but in a few short years everyone will likely be forced to go to school in their underpants or less! Other options would be for the subject "Religion" to be made a comparative study of religions and philosophies, with the sole purpose of explaining exactly why Danish Christianity is the best and Muhammad was a pedophile. Or just taking kids from their parents, if their parents are judged to be "extremists". Moderation derail: cinci zoo sniper posted:There's a surprisingly easy way to avoid disagreeable reads of the posts you make. However, if your primary reaction to someone not reading your mind is to accuse them of a politically motivated attack, a more relaxed subforum may suit you better. And no, nothing in D&D rules prevents you from candidly bowing out of a derail. As for why I said you had an ideological bone to pick, this is why: cinci zoo sniper posted:I get that it's hot to poo poo on Dems, but expectations of nuance should go both ways.
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ted hitler hunter posted:this would never have happened if nils was IK Careful what you wish for. Tucker Carlson might not be the best similarity, but lindberg have the same purpose which is to sling poo poo and muddle the political conversation at the behest of a dominant political party. S lacks any political ideas except keeping S in power and given this, they will try to derail any political issue that doesn’t favour them. And Trump/GOP showed that this was a viable media strategy in the current media climate where abject denial and outright lies is a functioning tactic. That said, this applies to any party in a similar situation, irrespective of political side.
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ted hitler hunter posted:this would never have happened if nils was IK The law and order problems in scandpol should be solved as we are currently doingit IRL, with a hilarious race to the bottom. And that Tucker comparison is so off that it is baffling. Just, no. The common thing is that they are… talking heads? Ok? So then any ledarskribent is the ”tucker carlsson of Sweden”. Tucker’s main feature ls that he is that his persona is unbeliavably dense, and his ”reporting” is often to push a repressive agenda, hense the squinting memes etc. So Sweden’s Tucker is clearly… Joakim Lamotte. But more seriously, the closest comparison to Fox News editorials is Riks, not loving Aftonbladet. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Aug 28, 2022 |
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Tucker Carlson spreads propaganda about “white replacement”
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Moderation derail: I didn't jump into this thread to talk about US politics at all. That's not a topic I'm particularly interested discussing on SA, if you'll note the virtual absence of my posts in the US threads. The reason I replied to you is that I consider “The Democrats are a status-quo party” a position that does require explanation, or more specific language applied. Therefore, I view the statement to be an inadequate opener when calling someone out for making a statement that you deem inaccurate or requiring explanation, and this inadequacy is the sole motivator I had for replying to you. I hope this explains “expectations of nuance should go both ways”. That said, the second quote is hardly written as clear as it should've been, sorry. My intended focus there was to say that, lacking specificity, some of your writing bears a style indistinguishable from “Dems bad” vibes posting that's perfectly fine for subforums for stylesheets, but not useful enough for D&D. Hence, “expectations of nuance should go both ways” – the general expectations for posts in D&D apply not just to the person you're calling out, but to yourself as well. Your personal politics are unknown to me, and neither them, nor my opinion of them, is relevant at all here. P.S. I consider “The Democrats are a progressive party” to be in active contradiction to “The Democrats are a status-quo party”. Furthermore, “The Democrats are a progressive party” is another phrase that in my view requires either explanation, or more specific language. This is not something you went for in the original post, so I'm just leaving this out here for posterity. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Aug 28, 2022 |
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Sniper the point is that we do not care about your comparisons to American politics nor your defense to making these comparisons. Going forward please refrain from making these comparisons and limit your participation to this particular threads' requirements of Scandinavian/Nordic only. To bring this back to Scandi topics: I was reading that SAS is facing another strike action, this time the cabin crew (deservedly so, as post Covid all the air and airport crews have been understaffed and overwhelmed). I am fairly new to Norway, so my understanding is that the Norwegian state sold their stake, but yet got involved in the last strike? Why sell at all then? I am also not sure who has control of SAS now...I have learned a bit about the history of SAS from a Norwegian slant, with the whole Svensk alt sammen poor taste joke from the 80's, but that doesn't really defend the decision to pull out of having a controlling portion. If SAS is such a crucial lifeline to many parts of Scandinavia then why don't the governments stop the mess, rather than just bail it out?
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funakupo posted:Sniper the point is that we do not care about your comparisons to American politics nor your defense to making these comparisons. Going forward please refrain from making these comparisons and limit your participation to this particular threads' requirements of Scandinavian/Nordic only. If you didn't read my posts, don't reply to them.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If you didn't read my posts, don't reply to them. Maybe you could try reading the room here? For once? Ed: I've asked for an admin to come help end this USPOL derail Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Aug 28, 2022 |
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Rust Martialis posted:Maybe you could try reading the room here? For once? I'm well aware that the thread would much rather discuss anything else, and, consequently, left my reply to A Buttery Pastry on moderation matters in spoilers, concerning a derail that spent itself yesterday. You'd think that would be the end of it, but funakupo decided to claim that I'm the instigator, or some such, of the conversation between Postorder Trollet89, Cardiac, and A Buttery Pastry, when I merely warned the latter after the fact. Instead, they could've simply posted about the SAS ongoings.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:P.S. I consider “The Democrats are a progressive party” to be in active contradiction to “The Democrats are a status-quo party”. Furthermore, “The Democrats are a progressive party” is another phrase that in my view requires either explanation, or more specific language. This is not something you went for in the original post, so I'm just leaving this out here for posterity. funakupo posted:To bring this back to Scandi topics: I was reading that SAS is facing another strike action, this time the cabin crew (deservedly so, as post Covid all the air and airport crews have been understaffed and overwhelmed). I am fairly new to Norway, so my understanding is that the Norwegian state sold their stake, but yet got involved in the last strike? Why sell at all then? I am also not sure who has control of SAS now...I have learned a bit about the history of SAS from a Norwegian slant, with the whole Svensk alt sammen poor taste joke from the 80's, but that doesn't really defend the decision to pull out of having a controlling portion. If SAS is such a crucial lifeline to many parts of Scandinavia then why don't the governments stop the mess, rather than just bail it out?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Of course it is, that doesn't mean that one person couldn't sincerely believe one position, while another sincerely believed the other. As for requiring explanation, I feel it's kind of wild given that the two positions are basically the ideological divide between US D&D and US C-SPAM. Obviously people neither side is entirely in lockstep, nor in total agreement exactly what either position means, but for the purposes of refuting a simple comparison to Tucker Carlson I don't think any real detail is required.
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Please stop. Thus thread is quite good and will 100 % get worse with american meta-poo poo.
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ffs people go back to talking about scandinavian politics
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funakupo posted:Sniper the point is that we do not care about your comparisons to American politics nor your defense to making these comparisons. Going forward please refrain from making these comparisons and limit your participation to this particular threads' requirements of Scandinavian/Nordic only. Norway held like a 10% stake. I don’t know for sure but they probably saw how Norwegian was performing compared to SAS and wanted off that wild ride. As for other countries I have no clue. Maybe nostalgia and/or lobbying from northerners to keep their inrikesflyg to Kiruna? Just hope they’re still around come winter as I’ve booked my flights back to moder Svea already on them.
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luminalflux posted:Norway held like a 10% stake. I don’t know for sure but they probably saw how Norwegian was performing compared to SAS and wanted off that wild ride. As for other countries I have no clue. Maybe nostalgia and/or lobbying from northerners to keep their inrikesflyg to Kiruna? Afaik SAS surviving is a pretty big deal for Kastrup, and thereby Copenhagen, and thereby Denmark, which is a reason why they’ve been interested in keeping SAS alive.
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lilljonas posted:Afaik SAS surviving is a pretty big deal for Kastrup, and thereby Copenhagen, and thereby Denmark, which is a reason why they’ve been interested in keeping SAS alive. More than a third of flights volume at Kastrup is SAS. So no SAS, no Kastrup, basically.
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lilljonas posted:Afaik SAS surviving is a pretty big deal for Kastrup, and thereby Copenhagen, and thereby Denmark, which is a reason why they’ve been interested in keeping SAS alive. That makes sense. I don't know what's in it for Sweden though, unless it's the same thing with Arlanda. Though with the recent changes to move more and more of SAS to Ireland and make everyone part of a bemanningsfirma they have to be less of a chunk of Arlanda's value than Kastrup
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Kastrup is pretty important for people living in southern Sweden.
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Ah right. My Stockholm/Gothenburg bias fully on display here.
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As I understand it, SAS was created as a co-op between Denmark, Sweden and Norway to ensure that flights actually went to Scandinavia. The idea was to have Kastrup as a hub and then SAS servicing the smaller Scandinavian destinations. This made economic sense once, but with newer budget airlines like Norwegian and general increase in air traffic volume, it's not really working out anymore. But Kastrup is still a hub because of this history and deals related to it. Which means that if SAS goes, Copenhagen loses out on a lot of flights. I don't really think Norway and Sweden have much to lose...
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