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I remain of the opinion that trump would've felt the allure of having a room that you could charge literally millions of dollars for a minute of access to because 'how do I personally profit form this' is just about the only concrete personality trait Trump has. Dude also perpetually has money problems and angry creditors, he's the quintessential intel risk on every conceivable level. or pick any other way of monetizing that stuff. he had a bunch of the stuff that you could just name any price for
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I remain of the opinion that trump would've felt the allure of having a room that you could charge literally millions of dollars for a minute of access to because 'how do I personally profit form this' is just about the only concrete personality trait Trump has. Dude also perpetually has money problems and angry creditors, he's the quintessential intel risk on every conceivable level. It's also for his own protection. He's been in the business world for a long time, he understands holding blackmail. "Hey if you impeach me maybe these nuclear documents and cia source info finds their way to Putin's hands, don't know we'll have to see, but if you don't impeach me there won't be any problems ok?"
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https://twitter.com/ritholtz/status/1563503905262030850?t=G43ERorcoUTWNf8GAbkUVQ&s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1563515809204277248 https://mobile.twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1563518933017116674 Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 14:19
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So, Trump was trying to last, last second declassify a bunch of documents about the investigation into his ties with Russia? He got the best outcome he could wish but he wanted to relight that? Jesus what a baby. Sweet, sweet irony if he ends up in prison because he just couldn’t let the Crossfire Hurricane/Mueller investigation go. Edit: Upon reflection it’s even funnier that apparently the versions DoJ did declassify included some peoples names he didn’t want tied to it so at the last, last, last second (Jan 20!) they were trying to force through an edit getting them redacted. Murgos fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 16:02
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Ynglaur posted:The story may be from 2021 but it's relevant today because recent revelations explain why that was (is) happening. There's no actual indication that this is due to Trump. At the very least, no one important or in a position to actually know has officially drawn that connection or made that accusation yet, at least as far as I can tell. The article proposes plenty of entirely plausible reasons for this to be happening. (short version: the CIA is being careless and incompetent with the lives of foreign informants, too arrogant to take enemy counterintelligence seriously and too focused on covert ops bullshit to take the basic spy work seriously)
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Aug 27, 2022 16:20
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Main Paineframe posted:There's no actual indication that this is due to Trump. You mean besides the article two posts up detailing how the US wanted the materials back from Trump because they put spies at risk?
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Main Paineframe posted:There's no actual indication that this is due to Trump. At the very least, no one important or in a position to actually know has officially drawn that connection or made that accusation yet, at least as far as I can tell. I think it is a reasonable extrapolation to say, "In January 2021 a large amount of highly-classified information was moved to an insecure location with easy access to foreign intelligence assets. By later that same year, human intelligence assets started getting whacked. Therefore, it is highly plausible that the former directly or indirectly resulted in the latter."
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Aug 27, 2022 17:12
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Fuschia tude posted:You mean besides the article two posts up detailing how the US wanted the materials back from Trump because they put spies at risk? There is nothing in the article that suggests someone leaked a bunch of names and now they're all dying. There is no apparent connection to Trump's documents.
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Fuschia tude posted:You mean besides the article two posts up detailing how the US wanted the materials back from Trump because they put spies at risk? If Trumps documents specifically out spies, or methods that would aid in outing them, who have been killed, turned or exposed over the last year then, yeah, that would be a highly persuasive coincidence and a poo poo show of massive levels… We can’t determine that from public information at the moment so I’d be a bit more careful relying on it.
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Deteriorata posted:There is nothing in the article that suggests someone leaked a bunch of names and now they're all dying. There is no apparent connection to Trump's documents. This is incorrect. There is an apparent connection there just is no currently available factual or reliable connection. The apparent connection is the Trump had unsecured documents that could (and were according to surveillance) be accessed by god knows who that due to their NOFORN, HSC and SI markings could reveal sources and methods of intelligence gathering.
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Aug 27, 2022 17:21
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mdemone posted:That story released tonight for a reason. This is happening, time for everyone to start figuring out how they feel about it. This generally the result of high level spies. I had an “uncle’s” (really a great uncle’s brother) who was an airborne ranger (first white guy in a black battalion in Korea), navy diver and merchant vessel captain. Amongst other things he used to put down drivers that would put tracking on the Soviet boomers and then take it off again before they got back to port and it could be discovered. A bunch of those guys got killed at one point because of a high level spy that disclosed the program to the soviets. These types of document releases kill people.
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Knowing what we know about Trump, including that he took this documents to the closet of his hotel, I personally find it to impossible believe that there’s anybody who doesn’t believe that he was sharing secrets throughout the entirety of his presidency. Just look at the things we know he did do (and this list only goes up through late 2019.) You’ll have to scroll down through the twitter thread. I won’t post them all here, it would take up the rest of the page. https://twitter.com/amoneyresists/status/1560298962330210305?s=21&t=oWmcjs3wbsFtZzgN8aomJA
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Aug 27, 2022 18:39
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Just a reminder that the harsh legal consequences for the crimes Trump committed are never dependent on proving the files are being used by foreign governments. The possession itself is a severe crime regardless of transmission - and this is in large part because proving the harm is gunna be near impossible in these circumstances.
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Aug 27, 2022 18:47
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MrMojok posted:
Stuff like item 6 here: https://mobile.twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1560301535266996224 Is why I'm 100% certain that foreign agents got access to classified/top secret info via Mar-a-Lago. Either from the documents Trump stole or just Trump being a braggart trying to impress people
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Aug 27, 2022 18:49
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Angry_Ed posted:Stuff like item 6 here: And how many foreign agents have been official members of, or even entered without a membership to, Mar-A-Lago? https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1153778486760398848 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1171861594130866176
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Aug 27, 2022 18:59
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Bar Ran Dun posted:put down drivers that would put tracking on the Soviet boomers
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Xander77 posted:What do any of these words mean?
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Killer robot posted:Boomers are nuclear subs. Guessing divers but a typo? Specifically, ballistic missile subs (as opposed to attack boats).
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Aug 27, 2022 19:27
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Xander77 posted:What do any of these words mean? Divers got autocorrected into drivers I only n phone post anymore. Boomers is slang for the subs that carry nuclear weapons.
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Aug 27, 2022 23:57
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Maybe bad, maybe not? https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1563644872850313218 https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1563657211267559424
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Aug 28, 2022 00:49
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dr_rat posted:If he wins, or when ever the next republican gets in there's a fair chance they'll just do it. Honestly their seems very few republicans who might run that wouldn't, wither they be Trump aligned or just see it as an easy way of showing to their base they're ain't democratic enough, who wouldn't. The deal is going to be for Trump to not run in exchange for a parden
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War and Pieces posted:The deal is going to be for Trump to not run in exchange for a parden As if he'd keep that deal.
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War and Pieces posted:The deal is going to be for Trump to not run in exchange for a parden He won't pay the lawyers doing a mediocre job of keeping his rear end out of jail, what makes you think he'll honor any deal?
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Aug 28, 2022 01:23
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Charlz Guybon posted:Maybe bad, maybe not? It doesn't make much sense for the judge to appoint a special master here, but she's not appointing a special master yet: she's informing them of her preliminary intent to do so, and asking the parties to file with their thoughts. Which pretty much means "eh, I'm kinda leaning this way, tell me why I'm wrong". If she's still leaning this way in a few days, that'll be a different story, but right now she's practically inviting the DoJ to talk her out of it. So it's not a Big Deal just yet.
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Even if she does appoint one, there is a chance DOJ will say “well okay, but we already finished inventorying and cataloguing all these documents during the two weeks they didn’t ask for a special master.” Right?
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MrMojok posted:Even if she does appoint one, there is a chance DOJ will say “well okay, but we already finished inventorying and cataloguing all these documents during the two weeks they didn’t ask for a special master.” That is almost certain. They'll file a classified ex parte motion showing what the main results were and how they treated them filter-wise.
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Platonicsolid posted:As if he'd keep that deal. They'd just have to wait until November 2nd to parden him.
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War and Pieces posted:They'd just have to wait until November 2nd to parden him. Trump would never take a deal where he gets paid in the future. Cheats expect everyone else to be a cheat
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In practical terms, it is very likely that when the hearing comes the judge is going to ask if the filter team is finished going through the documents and the answer will be yes, so this request for a special master will be moot and nothing will change In legal terms, the Trump team basically scribbed "Can i have a bad court thingy" on a napkin and threw it at the judge and it's being treated as a real thing, ignoring all the rules about how you're supposed to do things in court So on the one hand it doesn't really matter but also it is yet another way Trump is allowed to freely stomp over all rules, regulations, and laws that would trip up anyone else, which is pretty bullshit Piell fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Aug 28, 2022 |
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Doesn't really cost the judge much to have made up their mind, not say so, effectively give the DOJ several more days to finish up loose ends, and then shoot down the request late next week. "Well I didn't tell them Trump lawyers they were complete idiots, so I saved face, but yeah they had nothing so shrug don't blame me."War and Pieces posted:They'd just have to wait until November 2nd to parden him.
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Can we please stop saying that Biden is gonna pardon trump jfc.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:(Though Biden can/will issue a pardon before orange man is in an orange suit.) PhantomOfTheCopier posted:State pardons can from governors (right?), and none take off on Nov2? And presumably pardons are given after verdicts, not before. Flynn and Nixon were pardoned before they were convicted. It's often seen as admission of guilt, but I think a recent SCOTUS case made that not legally true.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Why do you / others think this will happen? Is it because Ford pardoned Nixon? Nobody, especially not Biden, is rushing to be the next Ford. A pardon requires an admission of guilt and the court has backed that up. Pardons have been refused specifically because they involve admitting guilt.
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cr0y posted:Can we please stop saying that Biden is gonna pardon trump jfc. Biden's grip on the security services is tenuous enough that I think the whole DOJ thing will just be allowed to fizzle quietly with it blamed on chudges.
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Xiahou Dun posted:A pardon requires an admission of guilt and the court has backed that up. https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/ex-soldiers-acceptance-trump-pardon-didnt-constitute-confession-guilt-court-2021-09-23/ There's the case I was thinking of. It came from a federal appeals judge who thought ""If the Court had meant to impute other, legal consequences to the acceptance of a presidential pardon, it surely would have said so explicitly,". It sounds like bullshit and hopefully was overturned, but I can't find documentation of that. The case was lowrance vs commandant, about a guy Trump pardoned for literal war crimes.
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StumblyWumbly posted:https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/ex-soldiers-acceptance-trump-pardon-didnt-constitute-confession-guilt-court-2021-09-23/ Well poo poo, that's new. But it's also just the 10th circuit.
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Xiahou Dun posted:A pardon requires an admission of guilt and the court has backed that up. This is a myth and makes no sense. Many innocent people accept pardons.
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Fart Amplifier posted:This is a myth and makes no sense. Many innocent people accept pardons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States
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quote:Although the Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"[1] this was part of the Court's dictum for the case.[2] Whether the acceptance of a pardon constitutes an admission of guilt by the recipient is not clear and has never been a question presented for argument or decision.
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