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I'm glad they're getting rid of the extra zebra crossings, I'm just out here holding my breath for updating entire stretches of city road at once
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Yeah it will hopefully make them look a lot tidier.
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Aug 22, 2022 23:54
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  comrade gravity is optional (turns out the short autosnap roads you can build are funky if placed next to a cliff 
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My question is how did you manage to make such a steep cliff? I can never get the terrain altering tool to make much more than a gentle slope.
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Level from center, patience and convenient geology. If there's rock close to the surface there's basically nothing you can do but you can get surprisingly sharp slopes with persistent application of the level from center tool. It helps to have the topography and grid displays enabled too.
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Start with the terrain tools to get some basic flattening done then shift to flattening with a building. For large plots of land stuff like an airplane factory works best but to start with I like using the brick factory or even a warehouse. Using this you can push terrain far more than with the terrain tools themselves. (I only do this with 4 bulldozers & 4 excavators to keep myself sane) edit: I will say that doing too many hight levels starts to look really silly so I like to 'terrace' the terrain edit2: if there is a part of the terrain you're happy with, 'lock' it with a dirt road while you do more terrain deformation on the other side of the dirt road. This isn't a 100% perfect protection but does provide a substantial buffer. 
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Aug 27, 2022 13:26
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Argh I want the update so bad, jonesing for some central planning. Found a map that looks good though, lots of rivers and valleys to bugger about with. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2145968527
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OwlFancier posted:Argh I want the update so bad, jonesing for some central planning. Looks quite interesting. I'm playing on a Seattle map currently, having a rather... rough time with it (did a very poor job planning ahead). Oil economy sure isn't what it used to be, and train planning is hell. Think this is the most recent I have of the bulk of the republic. Still out of date, though. 
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I approve of your resisting the grid. finding it hard to do that personally.
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OwlFancier posted:I approve of your resisting the grid. finding it hard to do that personally. Thanks. There are parts that are semi-gridded, but for the most part I follow terrain contour lines. Good for planning roads, terrible for retrofitting rail connections. Going to have to do an entire new plant for asphalt, concrete, and prefabs eventually, a distribution office of 12 T138 dumpers for gravel is not doing the job and I don't think an aggregate station will fit well.
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I do wish it were easier to route conveyors, can never get the bastards looking tidy. I am thinking about doing a plant that is just fuelled by storages and loaders/unloaders and the big 25 tonne trucks, purely for reasons of tidiness.
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OwlFancier posted:I do wish it were easier to route conveyors, can never get the bastards looking tidy. I am thinking about doing a plant that is just fuelled by storages and loaders/unloaders and the big 25 tonne trucks, purely for reasons of tidiness. I just want to be able to place conveyors that aren't so absolutely fussy about placements, or at least will show you a ghost of the invalid placement so that you can figure out WHY it's wrong. Semi related, I've finally fallen off the Cosmonaut bandwagon. It's just so CONVENIENT to press a button and make a bunch of gravel paths appear! I'm curious what the meta will end up being with early game revenue generation. I tried setting up a nuclear fuel complex, but it requires a LOT of people. I'm guessing that Tourism is where it's at until you can afford to build up? Volmarias fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 27, 2022 |
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Aug 27, 2022 19:01
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Tourism I think actually requires that you have a pretty nice place to live, it's a lot less of a money printer than it used to be, basically I see it as "well I've built the connection to the border and all these services in town, so I might as well get some cash off it by shipping in tourists"
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Volmarias posted:I'm curious what the meta will end up being with early game revenue generation. I tried setting up a nuclear fuel complex, but it requires a LOT of people. I'm guessing that Tourism is where it's at until you can afford to build up? I'm wondering the same - it's already a serious struggle to get a functional economy going for me, and that's without the new update factored in. Not looking forward to what's to come.
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Volmarias posted:I just want to be able to place conveyors that aren't so absolutely fussy about placements, or at least will show you a ghost of the invalid placement so that you can figure out WHY it's wrong. This would be real nice. Something to give an idea if I'm close or if I need to reconfigure stuff on the ground to accommodate the supports.
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Almost anything can make you money, you can do it with imported goods and processing them into finished goods fairly easily, the difficulty is mostly in not expanding your workforce too fast so that you end up paying for piles of people you aren't making a profit off of. If anything I am thinking I might find it easier with the update because of the new cosmonaut additions and being able to buy all the construction goods from the border, meaning I don't have to set up a fully equipped construction yard from the get go.
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does this have angle snap for buildings/roads yet
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Since about 6+ months ago, was it?
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Since about 6+ months ago, was it? oh sweet maybe time to give it another go then
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ThomasPaine posted:oh sweet maybe time to give it another go then Turn it on by pressing F2 (F3?) twice, first is to display grid second is for sticking to grid. The grid icon checkbook above the minimap displays a little magnet 🧲 when its on
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F1 for grid modes. It doesn't have angle snap (other than to the extent the game only does a lot of discrete angles anyway) but you can totally build a road grid that snaps to the main wireframe grid. Buildings are still somewhat arbitary because the snap is based on their origin point which is different from building to building so the setback is going to be variable.
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OwlFancier posted:F1 for grid modes. It doesn't have angle snap (other than to the extent the game only does a lot of discrete angles anyway) but you can totally build a road grid that snaps to the main wireframe grid. Buildings are still somewhat arbitary because the snap is based on their origin point which is different from building to building so the setback is going to be variable. The road <-> building placement is a lot less finicky than it used to be too, worth giving it another try. There's also F4 for Build A Parallel Road / Pipe / Whatever mode, which is very nice for making things look organized.
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Oh yeah the parallels are dead handy.
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New update is live on the beta branch. Patch notes here.
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Didn't get a chance to actually play with the new stuff but it seems neat, at least. That said, seemingly no support for metro interchanges underground or with bridges? That seems like it makes the metro pretty limited imo. I suppose it could be a good city-loop to make sure people can access services, but you're basically limited to separate tracks for each line. Would be nice to be able to share stations without having to build multiple platforms weirdly.
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SkyeAuroline posted:New update is live on the beta branch. Patch notes here. quote:
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Yeah, I'm hoping that last change makes construction trains not completely unusable for multi lane construction even if it takes manual oversight.
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Does it force you to use all max difficulty settings for cosmonaut mode? I really like the idea of building everything "properly" but if I chose the maximum difficulty for citizens needs no matter what I do a year or two in loyalty just collapses and it's game over, even if everyone was living in a socialist paradise with every need catered for.
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You're all welcome. I got tired of waiting so I started a new cosmonaut run on Saturday and was 12 years in.  And yeah... I don't think I'm going to be able to do the now official cosmonaut runs for early starts unless they've fixed some stuff. There are certain situations where pipes, wires, or conveyors become unbuildable without helicopters if you mess up while laying it down initially. Arven fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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Pharnakes posted:Does it force you to use all max difficulty settings for cosmonaut mode? I really like the idea of building everything "properly" but if I chose the maximum difficulty for citizens needs no matter what I do a year or two in loyalty just collapses and it's game over, even if everyone was living in a socialist paradise with every need catered for. Cosmonaut is just a new difficulty preset that yes, does this. The “realistic building” is also just a setting. I certainly won’t be enabling it because I still like having a “I’m not waiting for this poo poo” button now and then, but the added ability to use border crossings to buy things is welcome.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Cosmonaut is just a new difficulty preset that yes, does this. The “realistic building” is also just a setting. Is "realistic imports" also a setting because I'm in the same boat. I love the logistical restrictions of cosmonaut but am too stupid to manage things like heating. I always just forget to turn off auto-import on new buildings and it bugs me.
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LeFishy posted:Is "realistic imports" also a setting because I'm in the same boat. I love the logistical restrictions of cosmonaut but am too stupid to manage things like heating. I think that's basically the setting, yes. 'Cosmonaut' as it is today is now just a preset beyond hard, 'Cosmonaut' as we used to call it is basically just that new realistic imports setting.
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Arven posted:You're all welcome. I got tired of waiting so I started a new cosmonaut run on Saturday and was 12 years in. I missed one, they did actually fix that too. I'm hoping the "merge infrastructure construction" is "turn 50 road updates due to crosswalks and driveways into one" which is another qol requisite quote:
That one should have been  , whoops
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What about conveyors though? Sometimes they build the whole thing, sometimes they only build the towers and refuse the rest.
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Pharnakes posted:What about conveyors though? Sometimes they build the whole thing, sometimes they only build the towers and refuse the rest. Do you mean aligning them so that they will build the conveyor itself? I think that's something you would always have to handle at the placement phase.
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Pharnakes posted:What about conveyors though? Sometimes they build the whole thing, sometimes they only build the towers and refuse the rest. This is a mod problem, at least I'm guessing. Some of the mod conveyors don't have a road connection, just a walking path connection. Walking path connections are valid for building the tower, but not valid for building the conveyor that attaches to the tower. It appears like it *sometimes* works, because often trucks can reach the construction via another way, but if you connect two path only towers together, it won't be able to build the conveyor between them.
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there's three issues I think: first conveyor towers will build the road/footpath connections before they try to build the conveyors, which can cause the space that would be used for conveyor belt support beams to get occupied by those roads/footpaths. Second is when you place a building the underlying terrain gets morphed (flattened) just a bit, which may also cause problems Third is that the actual buildng placement can shift just a couple pixels compared to where you place your mouse, which can make it that the angle is too sharp for a connection. This is only true if you're trying to place the thing in a spot that's borderline reachable.
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double nine posted:there's three issues I think: first conveyor towers will build the road/footpath connections before they try to build the conveyors, which can cause the space that would be used for conveyor belt support beams to get occupied by those roads/footpaths. Just for clarity: everything you said is correct but entirely separate from the issue I was describing. Mine has nothing to do with placement - everything to do with the ability for a construction office to build a conveyor that’s already “placed.”
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