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Sekhmnet
Jan 22, 2019


je1 healthcare posted:

Not quite. A democratic senator once said their "phones were ringing off the hook" over the Obamacare legislation and that's why constituents couldn't always get through to their office. James and and another guy got an idea for a video where they dress up as phone repairmen to make sure the phones work. Because they had took it to mean the phones were literally off the hook? I don't know.

Anyway they get to the office and say they've been called to fix the phones. Naturally, no one knows of any repair orders and they're asked for ID and what the gently caress company they work for. O'Keefe says his credentials are in his truck, and security is called to follow him to the truck. O'Keefe was charged with entering a federal office under false pretenses and was given probation because no wiretapping tools were found on them

That seems even dumber than trying to wiretap a senator.

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Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
I just remember the dildo boat. That's enough.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


With a mention of right wing comedy, the QAA podcast had the Dollop guys on their to discuss a “life coach stand up comedian” that went from hippy dippy to full fash.

https://overcast.fm/+OPWqp9Wig

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Burning_Monk posted:

I just remember the dildo boat. That's enough.

He also lured one of his employees to a remote farm and tried to rape her in a dingey barn with the help of his bodyguard.

James O'Keefe is a really rapey motherfucker.

BuckT.Trend
Apr 22, 2003

My god, it's full of stars!
So it seems to me that tRump is using his previously tried and true method of dealing with legal troubles: just keep throwing lawyers and court filings at the other side until they cry uncle. However, that's not going to work in this case, because the federal government essentially has unlimited numbers of lawyers and a bottomless wallet of cash to keep pursuing him. It may take a while yet, but the net is slowly tightening around his flabby orange corpulent carcass.

Do I have that right?

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

BuckT.Trend in 4 months posted:

ah, well, nevertheless,

Firstscion
Apr 11, 2008

Born Lucky

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

With a mention of right wing comedy, the QAA podcast had the Dollop guys on their to discuss a “life coach stand up comedian” that went from hippy dippy to full fash.

https://overcast.fm/+OPWqp9Wig

Jake getting madder and madder at the guys house was great.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Hello, my elderly relatives on Facebook

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Fortunate Bird posted:

This has probably been discussed before, but how culpable are the top tier news outlets and their paywalls for the current disinformation hell we find ourselves in now, and does anyone else feel the future for this is pretty bleak?

Thinking mainly of WaPo/NYT but really anything with a paywall seems pretty bad for society when fox news doesn't have one. Paywalls are annoying as gently caress, use sketchy business practices to prevent you from cancelling once you sign up, and can be circumvented by internet savvy people anyway.
I realize quality reporting isn't cheap, and I don't have any great ideas about alternative revenue streams that could replace the subscriptions (apparently ads aren't enough?) Can't some rich liberals just pitch in and buy all the poor people subscriptions? I mean, Bezos owns wapo.

I just feel like if I were coming of age and starting to care about politics/news, the odds are really against me becoming loyal and trusting the actual news orgs that deserve it. I realize too that people get their news from twitter or whatever. But still, links to paywalled sites are rage inducing and it's hard to expect someone to have the maturity to realize it might be worth paying for at the point when they are developing politically

Not really sure what I'm getting at with this. Is anyone trying to solve this? Have any of these news orgs themselves acknowledged this?

It is a problem and it sucks poo poo, especially since as you said WaPo is owned by one of the richest individuals on the planet and NYT could easily fund themselves from regular donations from just a few of their wealthy readers. That will never happen for ideological reasons though so piracy is the answer in my book, the system is broken and it's not my loving job to fix it. Information should be free, democracy dies in darkness, etc, etc, etc. The Bypass Paywalls extension works great for me.

Tesseraction posted:

Twelve by Pies is specifically responding to Trump, because in one of his *massages temple* Truth Social posts he posts lot of irrelevant poo poo about how it's unfair and illegal to take his precious documents and then randomly adds "Presidential Records Act!" at the end, which is what a lot of right-wing sources have suddenly declared the "real" crime, despite it being the opposite of what's true and etc. etc. and it really hurts my brain to write this poo poo out. It's easy to read Trump being wrong and stupid and criminal but trying to write it out for other people is just depressing, as if my saying it has the potential to legitimise what is blatantly stupid and wrong.

I can't remember where I read it now but a journalist or media analyst wrote about how much work people do for Trump when they transcribe his speeches into readable text. The words that come out of his mouth are a mostly incoherent collection of sound bites, but professional writers can't put gibberish in their articles so they clean it up and make him sound much more composed and together than he is. I think best practice from now on should just be playing video of him speaking and cutting back to the anchor who just raises their eyebrows before moving to the next story.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

BuckT.Trend posted:

So it seems to me that tRump is using his previously tried and true method of dealing with legal troubles: just keep throwing lawyers and court filings at the other side until they cry uncle.
I think he's burned through all the people he can use that were half decent lawyers.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

greazeball posted:

I can't remember where I read it now but a journalist or media analyst wrote about how much work people do for Trump when they transcribe his speeches into readable text. The words that come out of his mouth are a mostly incoherent collection of sound bites, but professional writers can't put gibberish in their articles so they clean it up and make him sound much more composed and together than he is. I think best practice from now on should just be playing video of him speaking and cutting back to the anchor who just raises their eyebrows before moving to the next story.

This just brings up another example of right-wingers' projection: they insist that Biden's stutter or changing his mind mid-sentence must be dementia because they want to distract from the fact that that what comes out of Trump's mouth is generally unadulterated word salad.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

tagesschau posted:

This just brings up another example of right-wingers' projection: they insist that Biden's stutter or changing his mind mid-sentence must be dementia because they want to distract from the fact that that what comes out of Trump's mouth is generally unadulterated word salad.

It really bothers me too, cus the dude has a genuine stutter, and "restarting your sentence" is like the first thing they tell you to do to overcome that.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

BuckT.Trend posted:

So it seems to me that tRump is using his previously tried and true method of dealing with legal troubles: just keep throwing lawyers and court filings at the other side until they cry uncle. However, that's not going to work in this case, because the federal government essentially has unlimited numbers of lawyers and a bottomless wallet of cash to keep pursuing him. It may take a while yet, but the net is slowly tightening around his flabby orange corpulent carcass.

Do I have that right?

Pretty much, except by peering into cracks in the law, like stretching executive privilege to Steve Bannon, his crap lawyers confuse, muddle and extend the debate on everything.

This last request for a special master is a good example. They filed it with the wrong judge intentionally. That request was so poorly argued from a legal perspective that this new judge ordered them to fix, including suggestions on how to fix it, it before even the improper change of venue would be considered.

Instead of just being told no instead they get all this leeway and help and then because the dumb questions they ask are so dumb they become novel they get run up the appeal chain. Add in that there are a few Trump loyal Judges who just turn over all precedents to rule in his favor further muddying the waters be caused even if later overturned they set new precedent and it’s just all going to be a vast, time consuming mess.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Not even kidding but I think Trump heard his lawyer mention the idea of a "Special Master" and Donald decided to go with it just because it sounded so loving cool and he likes words like that.

"This will be really special here and we need a true master for this. This person will be truly special. Just a master of law. A SPECIAL MASTER just like the constitution says. The most special of masters in all of history. And if we can't find one, we'll go with a Beautiful Expert or a Champion Genius like no one has ever seen.

Yeah, sounds great. Go ahead and file that."

...

Then when the guy goes "welp, this FBI affidavit checks out. Everything looks good and seems in order here. Not seeing a case to be honest", the person will go from special master to total loser coffee runner in the blink of an eye.

"Turns out, they weren't very special at all and the only thing they mastered was picking on me, your favorite President ever, and being fat/bald/short. Currently, we're filing a motion to get a Perfect Wonderful Supreme Litigator to review these documents fairly, like our wonderful Declaration of Independence requires by law"

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 27, 2022

Generic American
Mar 15, 2012

I love my Peng


greazeball posted:

I can't remember where I read it now but a journalist or media analyst wrote about how much work people do for Trump when they transcribe his speeches into readable text. The words that come out of his mouth are a mostly incoherent collection of sound bites, but professional writers can't put gibberish in their articles so they clean it up and make him sound much more composed and together than he is. I think best practice from now on should just be playing video of him speaking and cutting back to the anchor who just raises their eyebrows before moving to the next story.

This was also a huge problem for real-time interpreters around the world who had to translate his speeches into other languages — but if they did it too literally by conveying the actual words that he was saying, people would just assume that it was their fault that he sounded like a broken chatbot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qL1un6NPZA&t=100s

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
Once again the line of Trump as an 'obese turtle on its back flailing in the hot sun' becomes an accurate description of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgnPsNrG8I

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Did uh...did we cover this?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-airs-fake-photo-judge-trump-search-warrant-fbi-2022-8?utm_source=reddit.com

Fox News aired a bizarre fake photo replacing Jeffrey Epstein with the judge who signed off on Trump's search warrant

quote:

Fox News aired a digitally altered photo that replaced an old image of Jeffrey Epstein getting a foot rub from Ghislaine Maxwell with the body and face of the federal judge who signed off on the warrant allowing FBI agents to search former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago.

The altered photo — originally an image of the late convicted sex offender Epstein cozying up to convicted sex trafficker Maxwell on a private jet — was broadcast during "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Thursday while Fox News' Brian Kilmeade was serving as guest host.

"Also a picture of Bruce Reinhart," Kilmeade said during the segment as the fake image showing Reinhart — a magistrate judge for the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida — was shown to viewers.

In the photo, Reinhart can be seen with a box of Golden Oreos and a bottle of Early Times whiskey in his right hand. Epstein's upper body in the image was replaced with Reinhart's.

"This is the judge in charge of the, of the, of the, um, as you know, of the warrant, and we'll see if he's going to release it next — he likes Oreos and whiskey," Kilmeade said during the broadcast.

During the broadcast, Kilmeade asked Fox News' Sean Hannity whether he can "relate to that," prompting Hannity himself to call out the photo for being altered.

Apologies if this was mentioned already

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
You know it's blatant when even loving Hannity is willing to call it out as fake.

quote:

democracy dies in darkness

This is not a warning from the Washington Post: it's their mission statement.

Anyway I miss text.fish.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Twelve by Pies posted:

You know it's blatant when even loving Hannity is willing to call it out as fake.


Meanwhile, 90% of the audience thinks it's real and spams it on Facebook while FOX gets to hide behind the veneer of satire. They did it a few times before, most prominently with some weird Photoshopped images of like a NYT and WAPO reporter one time.I have little doubt that the vast majority of Tucker's audience takes the photo at face value. 60% of Republican voters in general still think Biden stole the election.

A doctored image of Ghislaine Maxwell probably takes less than 10 seconds to cement itself in the minds of these idiots and most of them have probably never even the seen the real ones of Trump hob knobbing with these creeps. But I'm sure they know about the Clinton ones.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
The standard chud reply to the pictures of Trump with Epstein is to say that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago later on. The implication seems to be "Trump didn't know and when he found out he banned the guy" but that ignores that Trump absolutely loving knew because he once cracked a joke about how "Epstein likes them young."

The real crazy ones claim Trump was always working undercover to get evidence of Epstein's crimes to bring him to justice.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
He was also trying to break open the teen model drug ring and ex Russian escort services.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Twelve by Pies posted:

The real crazy ones claim Trump was always working undercover to get evidence of Epstein's crimes to bring him to justice.

Can't believe Trump is such a loser that he couldn't even manage that.

Edit: By which I mean it's funny that the more generous motivations they ascribe to him, the more incompetent he seems for having failed to accomplish any of them.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Stolen from the funny pix thread

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1559664375362994176

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


This has probably been asked before, in broader lines at least, but is there is like a short-ish video or article or whatever I can link to to expose the bullshit and dangers of Jordan Peterson specifically?

For the second time now a friend mentioned him in a 'that dude makes a lot of sense' kind of way and today I had some, but not convincingly enough, success in talking about how he does seem to make some sense on a surface level but that's all just bullshit covering loving heinous ideologies and patterns of thought and all that.

Easiest way to 'deprogram' them would be a short article of video that just lays out the loving bullshit.

The first time this happened was with a friend that I no longer care about all that much so I just let it go, but today it's basically my best friend that isn't all that online and skeptical about everything in a hippy kind of way. In the past I've gotten him to move away from Rogan at least, but now it's Peterson that he likes, and when I told him about the all meat diet, his benzo addiction and all that, he's still kinda "yeah, but that doesn't invalidate his ideas and stuff', you know?

Like I'm not worried that he'll go through the whole right wing pipeline because of Peterson, at all, but some easy to digest poo poo would make it a lot easier for me.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

"If his way of dealing with problems has any value, how could he have become a drug addict, and why did he choose to deal with his addiction by putting himself into a coma in Russia rather than taking his own advice?"

Also maybe draw attention to his twitter stuff about Elliot Page and ask why he's so interested in feeling contempt for other people.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor
It's the exact opposite of a short length video a video of extremely reasonable length (don't check the time code), but Some More news did an episode recently that's probably the best Peterson examination I've seen yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo

Part of the reason it's so long reasonably lenghthed is that they tried to avoid doing short clips of him that people could say are taken out of context. It's not long chunks of Petersonian drivel, but they include the parts before and after whatever thing of his they'll be referring to.

Plus Some More News is extremely funny.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Taeke posted:

This has probably been asked before, in broader lines at least, but is there is like a short-ish video or article or whatever I can link to to expose the bullshit and dangers of Jordan Peterson specifically?



I don't know but I had a MAGA boss for a good long while who advised me to check him out. Near as I can tell, he's the self help guru for people with a libertarian bent so he "makes sense" along those lines but last I heard he was hooked on benzos or some poo poo. I think he's like the Ayn Rand of self help book authors but my exposure to him is admittedly a really small sample size.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't know but I had a MAGA boss for a good long while who advised me to check him out. Near as I can tell, he's the self help guru for people with a libertarian bent so he "makes sense" along those lines but last I heard he was hooked on benzos or some poo poo. I think he's like the Ayn Rand of self help book authors but my exposure to him is admittedly a really small sample size.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The extremely brief (don't read the timestamp) video by Some More News above is an incredible deep dive and has apparently had several Peterson fans watch it and be like "gently caress, he's right"

If you want the shortest possible video, here's Jim Jeffries murdering him in 42 seconds https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1331505661817937921

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I AM GRANDO posted:

"If his way of dealing with problems has any value, how could he have become a drug addict, and why did he choose to deal with his addiction by putting himself into a coma in Russia rather than taking his own advice?"

Also maybe draw attention to his twitter stuff about Elliot Page and ask why he's so interested in feeling contempt for other people.

The coma was a natural and understandable response to being bodied by Žižek.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't know but I had a MAGA boss for a good long while who advised me to check him out. Near as I can tell, he's the self help guru for people with a libertarian bent so he "makes sense" along those lines but last I heard he was hooked on benzos or some poo poo. I think he's like the Ayn Rand of self help book authors but my exposure to him is admittedly a really small sample size.

He got hooked on benzos due to his near-crippling anxiety issues, then rather than detox reasonably he checked himself into a shady Russian clinic which put him in a medically-induced coma so he could ride out withdrawal unconscious (and in all likelihood suffered non-trivial brain damage in the process), and now swears he's cured all of his mental and emotional issues by eating only red meat and salt. Also he sounds like Kermit's whiny libertarian cousin and resembled a mummy crumbling in slow motion.

Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004

After The War posted:

It's the exact opposite of a short length video a video of extremely reasonable length (don't check the time code), but Some More news did an episode recently that's probably the best Peterson examination I've seen yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo

Part of the reason it's so long reasonably lenghthed is that they tried to avoid doing short clips of him that people could say are taken out of context. It's not long chunks of Petersonian drivel, but they include the parts before and after whatever thing of his they'll be referring to.

Plus Some More News is extremely funny.

This was possibly the best feature length film reasonable youtube length video I've seen this year.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
But how does it compare to Arlo's three hour Breath of the Wild review?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Captain_Maclaine posted:

He got hooked on benzos ...
I'd like to add that a big reason he went off the deep end was because his wife got diagnosed with cancer.

Now, usually, this is the point where we go "aw poo poo well yeah I guess that makes sense" because that's legitimately lovely luck.

But the thing is that the reason he was able to be the wündernerd of the alt-right was because his wife was handling his scheduling and other affairs. Including doing poo poo like making sure he wasn't living in a hovel by (drumroll please) cleaning his room for him..

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

FilthyImp posted:

I'd like to add that a big reason he went off the deep end was because his wife got diagnosed with cancer.

Now, usually, this is the point where we go "aw poo poo well yeah I guess that makes sense" because that's legitimately lovely luck.

But the thing is that the reason he was able to be the wündernerd of the alt-right was because his wife was handling his scheduling and other affairs. Including doing poo poo like making sure he wasn't living in a hovel by (drumroll please) cleaning his room for him..
My favorite JorP detail is how Mr. Hardcore Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings made his academic bones (and earned tenure) researching and writing about Jungian Psychology, which is just the most vaporous woo-woo kind of thing that's the polar opposite of what you'd expect someone who is cultivating a following of hardcore STEMlords to study.

I mean, check out this diagram which encapsulates the core argument of his 600 page magnum opus:

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Anybody who has a dream about their grandma brushing her pubes on their face, and then publishes a book about it should not be taken seriously.

Anybody who idolizes the societal organization of lobsters then extrapolates it to how trans people are the scum of society and cause of all problems, should not be taken seriously.

Anybody who had so many sexual harassment charges filed against them that they were not allowed to close their door, should not be taken seriously.

Anybody who tries to use the phrases "chaos dragon of femininity" and "post-modern neo-marxist" without their heads collapsing inward under the weigh of how god drat stupid they are, should not be taken seriously.

This could go on for a long time, just, kinda, pick one. Here's a threat dedicated to making GBS threads on this rear end in a top hat from the great height he deserves: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3944711

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564029020995469312

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

After The War posted:

It's the exact opposite of a short length video a video of extremely reasonable length (don't check the time code), but Some More news did an episode recently that's probably the best Peterson examination I've seen yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo

Part of the reason it's so long reasonably lenghthed is that they tried to avoid doing short clips of him that people could say are taken out of context. It's not long chunks of Petersonian drivel, but they include the parts before and after whatever thing of his they'll be referring to.

Plus Some More News is extremely funny.

This video is like when a movie version of an "unfilmable" novel is made. Peterson's bullshit is so pervasive and expansive that it needs to be this long perfect-in-length in order to be true to the source material.

It may not be a perfect video, but it hits all the points it needs to.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

BuckT.Trend posted:

So it seems to me that tRump is using his previously tried and true method of dealing with legal troubles: just keep throwing lawyers and court filings at the other side until they cry uncle. However, that's not going to work in this case, because the federal government essentially has unlimited numbers of lawyers and a bottomless wallet of cash to keep pursuing him. It may take a while yet, but the net is slowly tightening around his flabby orange corpulent carcass.

Do I have that right?

Even the government cries uncle sometimes.

The Church of Scientology basically did the same thing as Trump and won: it paid some piddling damages for a WORLD of poo poo it had done, including infiltrating agents into government during Operation Snow White, and also secured their tax-exempt status.

Trump has the advantage of being an old gently caress who only needs to muddle things along for 3-7 years until he croaks.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Sephyr posted:

Even the government cries uncle sometimes.

The Church of Scientology basically did the same thing as Trump and won: it paid some piddling damages for a WORLD of poo poo it had done, including infiltrating agents into government during Operation Snow White, and also secured their tax-exempt status.

Trump has the advantage of being an old gently caress who only needs to muddle things along for 3-7 years until he croaks.

Yeah, but Scientology hired good lawyers and paid them.

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