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Beffica
Apr 6, 2009

by Azathoth
I have had a hell of a journey that has left me yearning for some very different things. I listened to The Caretaker's Everywhere at the End of Time after waiting for the right time to be emotionally vulnerable for it, and I've never been so hosed up by art. A lot of the tracks in Stages 2-4 felt like they were playing out narratives of the many friends and family I watched go through dementia in the later half of my life. The immediate transition into stage 5 where it's rapidly shifting between what song is playing in which side of the speaker feels like having to watch the aftermath of a car wreck for 8 minutes and I had to shut the album off for that day and finish the day after. I feel like the length of the thing was absolutely justified, and the dark ambient that was the last 2 stages would not have given off that kind of dread without getting me so immersed in the narrative for all that time. I have felt a huge void since finishing it. I felt an emotional need to listen to the original samples like I had an obligation to respectfully remember this person like it was a funeral.

After all that exhaustion, I pretty quickly listened to a lot more of Leyland James Kirby's work, which was all way more fun for not being directly attached to the longass reverent dementia project. When I had my fill of all that, I went looking around for more sample focused music and first stumbled upon Ground-Zero's Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Ver. 1.28 and that blew my mind in the opposite emotional direction. After that I kept finding amazing stuff: The KLF's Chill Out, Negativland's Helter Stupid, DJ Shadow's Endtroducing. I am kicking myself for taking so long to listen to The Avalanches' Since I Left You.

After reflecting on that:
  • I am looking for more challenging art to consume in general. Doesn't have to be music, but if it is challenging music, I don't want it to be a bland brick wall like Merzbow's Pulse Demon.
  • Looking for more fun sample heavy stuff that will leave an impact

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internet celebrity
Jun 23, 2006

College Slice

Beffica posted:

After reflecting on that:
  • I am looking for more challenging art to consume in general. Doesn't have to be music, but if it is challenging music, I don't want it to be a bland brick wall like Merzbow's Pulse Demon.
  • Looking for more fun sample heavy stuff that will leave an impact

You might like Soundtracks for the Blind by Swans. Or if that's not dark and disorienting enough, The Body Lovers/The Body Haters

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


For challenging music, check out Terrestrials, the collaboration between Ulver and Sunn 0))).

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002
Here’s some older music that’s a little challenging

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILpCKQlDmhc

[video type=""]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V4YSysUn-Bk&t=53s&pp=2AE1kAIB[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMbzP5-VNAo

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


If jazz is at all an option:

Art Ensemble of Chicago
Cecil Taylor
Sun Ra
Ornette Coleman

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Lynch's Industrial Symphony

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Kvlt! posted:

Lynch's Industrial Symphony

Is this more like Lynch Mob or is it closer to Dokken?

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



BigFactory posted:

Is this more like Lynch Mob or is it closer to Dokken?

ngl this def made me lol

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Beffica posted:



After reflecting on that:
  • I am looking for more challenging art to consume in general. Doesn't have to be music, but if it is challenging music, I don't want it to be a bland brick wall like Merzbow's Pulse Demon.
  • Looking for more fun sample heavy stuff that will leave an impact

A suggestion that will be dismissed out of hand: opera. Regular-degular opera is challenging enough, as the vast majority of people don't have any experience with it and it has a learning curve to even appreciate the sound of operatic voices (along with the easier challenge of classical orchestration). But it rapidly escalates, almost exponentially so, into Wagner with his much heavier, much denser orchestration and vocal parts and then into things like Schoenberg-style 12 tone. Opera encompasses some of the most psychologically complex music and themes imaginable -- one can spend years dissecting, say, Tristan und Isolde and more than one MFA thesis has been written just about that opera's prelude. Even approachable opera has such depth that it's hard to describe simply -- I could easily give a 30 minute talk about Mozart's Martern aller Arten and how incredible an aria it is, truly a work of genius.

But it requires a fair amount of investment from the listener, and while the more effort invested the greater the reward, most people prefer not to make that investment.

E: for fun, an intro discussion to the Tristan und Isolde prelude, one of the most significant musical works of the 19th century: https://thelistenersclub.com/2020/06/08/wagners-tristan-und-isolde-prelude-and-liebestod/

regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Aug 30, 2022

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6STOHmfiA

Go nuts

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

they call it Intelligent dance music for a reason. have you considered the collected works of Autechre and Aphex Twin op?

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

Close to the Edge might be of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGaai0AII3E

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Beffica posted:

I have had a hell of a journey that has left me yearning for some very different things. I listened to The Caretaker's Everywhere at the End of Time after waiting for the right time to be emotionally vulnerable for it, and I've never been so hosed up by art. A lot of the tracks in Stages 2-4 felt like they were playing out narratives of the many friends and family I watched go through dementia in the later half of my life. The immediate transition into stage 5 where it's rapidly shifting between what song is playing in which side of the speaker feels like having to watch the aftermath of a car wreck for 8 minutes and I had to shut the album off for that day and finish the day after. I feel like the length of the thing was absolutely justified, and the dark ambient that was the last 2 stages would not have given off that kind of dread without getting me so immersed in the narrative for all that time. I have felt a huge void since finishing it. I felt an emotional need to listen to the original samples like I had an obligation to respectfully remember this person like it was a funeral.

After all that exhaustion, I pretty quickly listened to a lot more of Leyland James Kirby's work, which was all way more fun for not being directly attached to the longass reverent dementia project. When I had my fill of all that, I went looking around for more sample focused music and first stumbled upon Ground-Zero's Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Ver. 1.28 and that blew my mind in the opposite emotional direction. After that I kept finding amazing stuff: The KLF's Chill Out, Negativland's Helter Stupid, DJ Shadow's Endtroducing. I am kicking myself for taking so long to listen to The Avalanches' Since I Left You.

After reflecting on that:
  • I am looking for more challenging art to consume in general. Doesn't have to be music, but if it is challenging music, I don't want it to be a bland brick wall like Merzbow's Pulse Demon.
  • Looking for more fun sample heavy stuff that will leave an impact

Pulse Demon is pretty dynamic I don't really know what's bland about it, unless it just didn't have enough volume variation for you. But harsh noise isn't really the genre for that to begin with (although there are records with more varied volume than that one).

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


hifi posted:

they call it Intelligent dance music for a reason. have you considered the collected works of Autechre and Aphex Twin op?

:chord:

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

not sure what you'd call this, kind of like indie crossed with some synthwave, whatever it is i really enjoy it, though I haven't been into her other stuff as much. anyone else make similar sounds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcp1bUb4lU

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

I am the Wizard Master
I love Tim Heckers harmonic language!

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

actionjackson posted:

not sure what you'd call this, kind of like indie crossed with some synthwave, whatever it is i really enjoy it, though I haven't been into her other stuff as much. anyone else make similar sounds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcp1bUb4lU

Lola's Pocket PC has maybe similar lo-fi home studio vibes. The self-titled EP is incredible.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Came to both of these more or less by accident so don't really know anything about what they might be related to: Anything I should look for in the ballpark of Broadcast? And also Yura Yura Teikoku and Shintaro Sakamoto's solo stuff?

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


re broadcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geg1q_p3oOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isPMJ7M8sas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gbH_GAE8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l27Oe3300Vc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYxVbWQsiFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxlzKQ9D0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmmVNeZZ9pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpE5HSjllsc

i've not heard of that japanese band, but i really like broadcast and other dream pop/psych/noise groups from 10-20 years ago

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Ty, liked a lot of that. Stereolab was the one I'd seen mentioned before as an influence wrt Broadcast but hadn't gotten around to checking them out. Will follow up on that and the others now!

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



I'm a huge DJ Screw fan but I haven't listened to much chopped and screwed style outside of him. Anyone recommend the best chopped and screwed DJs/producers/albums that aren't from the king?

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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Kvlt! posted:

I'm a huge DJ Screw fan but I haven't listened to much chopped and screwed style outside of him. Anyone recommend the best chopped and screwed DJs/producers/albums that aren't from the king?

DJ Michael "5000" Watts

Especially anything he's done with the big names from Swishahouse like Mike Jones (I recommend his remix of the whole Who Is Mike Jones? album), Paul Wall, Lil Keke, and Bun B.

NotNut
Feb 4, 2020
Are there any songs about the pleasure of conformity besides Hip to Be Square?

hatelull
Oct 29, 2004

I mean I guess if you wanted to read "Suburban Home" from the Descendents without the dripping sarcasm it would fit the bill.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Similarly, Radiohead - No Surprises depending on how you interpret it.

E: the music video is cool too

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

NotNut posted:

Are there any songs about the pleasure of conformity besides Hip to Be Square?

Weird Al - Buy Me A Condo

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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Most pop country

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

NotNut posted:

Are there any songs about the pleasure of conformity besides Hip to Be Square?

Rick Wakeman - I"m So Straight I'm a Weirdo
Beach Boys - That's Not Me
Dusty Springfield - Goin' Back

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



HenryJLittlefinger posted:

DJ Michael "5000" Watts

Especially anything he's done with the big names from Swishahouse like Mike Jones (I recommend his remix of the whole Who Is Mike Jones? album), Paul Wall, Lil Keke, and Bun B.

Thanks for this, been listening to a lot of him and he is indeed fantastic.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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Kvlt! posted:

Thanks for this, been listening to a lot of him and he is indeed fantastic.

Hell yeah, I always love it when I find people still into chopped n screwed. After you asked, I went looking and found he just released a remix of Slim Thug's album BIGslim and it's also good. Seems like he chopped every Swishahouse album there was and made a billion mixtapes, so there is an absolute mountain of material to get through. Some of it is not great.

NotNut
Feb 4, 2020
I'm looking for more songs that sound like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Z_r8yi_Yc

Dungeon Ecology
Feb 9, 2011

that music is definitely inspired by the theme music from psycho, except without the sweeping strings parts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMTrVgpDwPk

Also, it reminds me of combat music from darkest dungeon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYFU_RiefKk

Blue Labrador
Feb 17, 2011

This might be a niche request, but can anyone recommend any good rock bands from Prague? I have a friend who knew I loved Prog Rock for years, but yesterday they revealed to me that, until very recently, they thought I was saying that I loved "Prague Rock", so I thought it would be fun to make a playlist with good Prague rock bands as a light roast.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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Blue Labrador posted:

This might be a niche request, but can anyone recommend any good rock bands from Prague? I have a friend who knew I loved Prog Rock for years, but yesterday they revealed to me that, until very recently, they thought I was saying that I loved "Prague Rock", so I thought it would be fun to make a playlist with good Prague rock bands as a light roast.

Lol my wife thought this for a long time too.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


It's actually surprisingly difficult to get Google to return bands from Prague when you search for "Prague rock" but I did get this list.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Blue Labrador posted:

This might be a niche request, but can anyone recommend any good rock bands from Prague? I have a friend who knew I loved Prog Rock for years, but yesterday they revealed to me that, until very recently, they thought I was saying that I loved "Prague Rock", so I thought it would be fun to make a playlist with good Prague rock bands as a light roast.

Well you should know Plastic People if you love prog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooUUWIi7zQ4

busalover
Sep 12, 2020
What genre is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEVJ0N6I1A

I got lots of recommendations labelled "PHONK" in my feed. Is that it? I'm just looking for a way to find more of that stuff on Bandcamp.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

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busalover posted:

What genre is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEVJ0N6I1A

I got lots of recommendations labelled "PHONK" in my feed. Is that it? I'm just looking for a way to find more of that stuff on Bandcamp.

Well juice wrld is a rapper so the rap thread in nmd could help with that

The remixing artist is kinda wave, maybe glitch wave? Chill wave?

szary
Mar 12, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syO3LuozPIE&t=177s

Can someone recommend music with a guitar tone similar to this?

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Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants
A Place to Bury Strangers is the first thing that comes to mind.

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