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RoastBeef: Jul 11, 2008

Uncle Enzo posted:

Can someone inline? I don't pay the grey lady

here

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CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Alchenar posted:

This could be the slowest offensive ever and it won't change the fact that there's thousands of Russians on the west bank trying to fight a battle with a barge to supply them.

Hell if Russia drip feeds reinforcements across then that would be as close as Ukraine can get to fighting a reverse battle of the Donbass.

And one of the barges just got hit today

# ? Aug 29, 2022 23:00

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CommieGIR posted:

And one of the barges just got hit today

Not a great day to be on the wrong side of the Dniper.

# ? Aug 29, 2022 23:22

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Uncle Enzo posted:

Can someone inline? I don't pay the grey lady

archive.today is your friend

# ? Aug 29, 2022 23:22

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Not a great day to be on the wrong side of the Dniper.

Maybe they'll have a better time of it if they were on the Don, the Volga, or chilling in Vladivostok.

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Ajaxify: May 6, 2009

Uncle Enzo posted:

Can someone inline? I don't pay the grey lady

I used a gift link that should allow you to view. Works for me just now in an incognito window. Did you click it or just look at the URL?

Regardless, here are the relevant paragraphs:

quote:

A senior Pentagon official said Ukrainian forces had put American-supplied HARM anti-radiation missiles on Soviet-designed MiG-29 fighter jets � something that no air force had ever done. The American HARM missile, designed to seek and destroy Russian air defense radar, is not usually compatible with the MiG-29 or the other fighter jets in Ukraine�s arsenal.

Ukraine managed to rejigger targeting sensors to allow pilots to fire the American missile from their Soviet-era aircraft. �They have actually successfully integrated it,� the senior official told reporters during a Pentagon briefing. He spoke on the condition of anonymity per Biden administration rules.

Officials say the missiles can target Russian air defense systems up to 93 miles away.

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General Hodges said he noticed �on a tactical level how clever Ukrainians were� when he worked with them in 2013 and 2014. He said the adaptation of the American-supplied HARM missiles to work on MiGs demonstrated the depth of technological know-how in Ukraine�s military.

�You can�t just hang any kind of rocket off of any kind of plane � there�s a whole lot of avionics and other aspects of flying and high-performance aircraft that are involved here,� he said. �And they did it.�

# ? Aug 30, 2022 00:15

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A.o.D. posted:

Maybe they'll have a better time of it if they were on the Don, the Volga, or chilling in Vladivostok.

Yeah almost seems like Russia would be in a better position and happier if they stayed in their own country.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 00:30

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

Those Iranian drones Russia bought were apparently lemons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/29/iran-drones-russia-ukraine-war/

:nsa:

I'm sure.

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aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

Sell them some of your stealth fighters next, Iran

# ? Aug 30, 2022 01:12

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

psydude posted:

Those Iranian drones Russia bought were apparently lemons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/29/iran-drones-russia-ukraine-war/

I'm sure.

Actually those drones were so poo poo the Ethiopian�s got rid of theirs and switched to the Chinese.

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Jimmy Smuts: Aug 8, 2000

Paywall, what's the gist?

# ? Aug 30, 2022 01:26

Deteriorata: Feb 6, 2005

quote:

But while the weapons could provide a significant boost for Russia�s war effort against Ukraine, the transfer has been marred by technical problems, security officials from the United States and an allied government said in interviews. In early tests by the Russians, the Iranian drones experienced numerous failures, the officials said.

�There are a few bugs in the system,� said an allied security official whose government closely monitored the transfer. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity and that his nationality not be revealed to discuss sensitive intelligence. �The Russians are not satisfied,� the official said.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 01:29

Jimmy Smuts: Aug 8, 2000

Thanks, lol suck it Putin

# ? Aug 30, 2022 01:46

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Ajaxify posted:

I used a gift link that should allow you to view. Works for me just now in an incognito window. Did you click it or just look at the URL?

Regardless, here are the relevant paragraphs:

Its incredibly impressive they managed to get migs to let HARMS off the rail at all in any configuration. The suggestion that they're pre-programming them on the ground for fixed GPS targets is the widespread theory but I an't help but wonder if they managed to bodge any of the in flight targetting methods available.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 01:47

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

SDO/SMO comments from today.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transc...round-briefing/

Intro then excerpts as I choose.

For those looking for big news on an offensive: you won't find it here, and SMO suggests the US will have more info in 24-36 hours.

Highlights, also as I choose:
-Russia unlikely to be able to fill the announced requirement to increase end strength of the Russian Armed Forces by 137,000 troops in 2023.
-No major change in battlefield disposition over the last 3 weeks or more.
-"great confidence" that Russia is firing artillery from the vicinity of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant as well as Russian military equipment being stored at the plant, so not seen as "helpful" in reducing shelling in the area
-Increased numbers of rocket attacks vic Kherson, but no confirmation of kick-off of an offensive. SMO expects the US will have a better idea in a day or two.
-Describes force ratio as more equal in the south than in the East [implication that Russia has a force advantage in the East], but notes that offense takes an advantage, not parity, though GMLRS and morale help, plus supply line interdiction in the south.
-US encourages Russia to stop executing military operations from vicinity of the ZNPP and believes the safest option would be a controlled shut-down of the plant, supports IAEA having access to the plant (IIRC, the plant provides about 20% of Ukraine's power).
-Ukraine has likely fired back at Russian artillery units firing from the vicinity of ZNPP. Ukraine is making efforts not to strike ZNPP directly, but is likely, in some cases, returning artillery fire against Russians firing from the vicinity of ZNPP. [Better to read the full exchange below, hard to summarize]

quote:

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: Hello, good afternoon. It's a pleasure to be with you again, and look forward to your questions.

What I thought I'd do at the front end is just give a bit of context on a piece of news from the Kremlin from late last week. This was President Putin's order to increase the size of the Russian Armed Forces by 137,000 effective January of 2023. The way that the Kremlin framed the announcement, they said it would increase the size of the Russian military to 1.15 million.

I wanted to share with you our perspective that this effort is unlikely to succeed, as Russia has historically not met personnel end strength targets. And in fact, if you look at the Russian Armed Forces prior to the invasion, they may have already been 150,000 personnel short of their million-personnel goal. So this is, again, prior to the invasion in February. Also prior to the invasion, roughly a quarter of the personnel were conscripts, and the remainder were professional soldiers. So far, we've seen Moscow has been trying to use largely professional soldiers, as opposed to conscripts, in the Ukraine conflict.

Just one other point to add: Russia has already begun trying to expand recruitment efforts to staff at least one volunteer battalion per federal district, and to raise a new third Army corps. They've done this in part by eliminating the upper age limit for new recruits, and also by recruiting of prisoners. Many of these new recruits have been observed as older, unfit and ill-trained. So what this all suggests to us is that any additional personnel Russia is able to muster by the end of the year may not, in fact, increase overall Russian (inaudible).

[Crosstalk]

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: You heard almost the whole thing, that -- that this suggests that any additional personnel that Russia actually can muster by the end of the year, in fact, may not increase overall Russian combat power. And hopefully, you heard all of the rest of what I said. But I just wanted to provide that additional context before we go to questions.

STAFF: Okay. Let me turn it over to our senior military official.

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Hi, everybody. [omitted]

But anyways, listen, day 187 of Russia's illegal and unprovoked large-scale invasion of Ukraine, so we're past the six-month mark now. Really quick battlefield tour here, because I know you're interested in answering questions. I -- first of all, you know, significant open-source reporting referenced activity in southern Ukraine. I'm going to give you the same answer when you ask me a question, but the bottom line is I'm going to refer you to the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians are able to talk in much greater detail about it. But I know you're hearing those bits of information, as well.

I would point you to the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, who estimates -- or that estimates that over 500 civilians have been killed in just over the past two weeks. That number's probably harder -- or higher. I know you -- everyone reported last week on the attack on the train station in Chaplyne and, you know, another example of generally indiscriminate target on behalf of the Russians.

So in terms of the battlefield, quite honestly, there've been no major geographic shifts since the last time I talked to you, which was about three weeks ago, quite honestly. So some minor adjustments around the battlespace and vicinity of Kharkiv. We know that the Russians, again, are firing into the city, have fired into the city, some airstrikes over the weekend that went into Kharkiv proper, but no major adjustments of the fore line of troops in that particular part of the battlespace

Same thing around Siversk to Bakhmut. Although I know a number of you reported the Russians have made some initial gains or made some small gains in the vicinity of Bakhmut, some of those have gone back and forth, but again, no major adjustments.

Heavy artillery and airstrikes in Donetsk. In Zaporizhzhia -- and I know we'll talk a bunch about Zaporizhzhia today -- you know, we know that there are airstrikes and artillery bombardment that have gone on around the nuclear power plant.

We also know with great confidence that the Russians are firing from the area around the nuclear power plant, and as many of you all have reported, using the nuclear power plant to store a bunch of their equipment. And so, you know, certainly not helpful in the entire process.

In the vicinity of Kherson, again, an uptick in kinetic activity over the past few days, including artillery and rockets, and as I mentioned to you before, I don't have particulars on whether or not an offensive has begun down in Kherson, but we have seen an uptick of fighting in that portion of the battlespace

In the Black Sea, about a half dozen ships remain underway, a good portion of them (inaudible) capable, and then continued air -- in the air, we see that the air remains contested in Ukraine. So Russian forces continue to use airstrikes primarily in the south and the east.

As Dr. Kahl briefed last week, the Ukrainians have been very successful in employing their assets as well. And then we continue to train Ukrainians out of the country.

Q (AP): Hi. Thanks for this.

I'm wondering if -- [omitted], I know you can't give us any apparent details on this counteroffensive. You said there's been an uptick in fighting. Can you give us a sense how big of an uptick and is this fighting from both sides? Give us any sense of that you can.

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SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Okay, Lita, thank you.

So over the weekend, we saw a larger number of artillery fires primarily coming from the Ukrainians. And so, you know, I say "larger" I wouldn't -- I wouldn't exaggerate that but it's an increased amount of artillery that we've seen coming from the Ukrainians.

And then they have -- as you all know, for the past couple of weeks, they have been making some small advances in and around the Kherson pocket for a while. So I don't want to mislead you here and tell you that I don't think the offensive is underway. I -- I would just -- I'd refer you to the Ukrainians right now because we have seen some offensive action in that area for the past couple weeks.

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Q (NPR): Yeah, for the senior military official, so you say you really can't give us any particulars on this offensive. You see an uptick in fighting. You say go to the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are saying this is a significant counteroffensive. So clearly, you're not willing to go that far, correct?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Tom, I�m just saying, I think the Ukrainians have a better way of telling you what they're doing than we do. I mean, even in the best case, you know, I'm getting my reporting from the Ukrainians. So --

Q: Well, are they telling you that it's a significant counteroffensive? Because that's kind of what they're saying publicly. Are you getting the same thing? And if -- if that's the case, why can't you tell us it's a -- a counteroffensive?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Well, I just don't -- I mean, listen, are they on the offensive? I think they are. Is this a counteroffensive? I don't know. And the reason I tell you that is because, as I said, over the past couple of weeks, we've seen them making some offensive moves in and around the Kherson pocket.

So listen, I'm -- you know, like you, I would love to have perfect information here. I think we'll get some more information over the course of the next 24 to 36 hours.

Q: Yeah, but again, it's frustrating for us because they're saying it's a big counteroffensive and what we hear -- see -- hear from you guys is, like, an uptick in fighting. Those two don't match, you see?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: No, I'm with you, Tom.

Q: Yeah.

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Q (FP): Thanks for doing this.

[Omitted], I had -- I had a quick one. Does -- does the U.S. or do you have any sense of the force ratios in -- in Kherson? Does -- does Ukraine have better numbers than they had in the Donbas, vis-a-vis the Russians? And also, just wondering if you've seen any impact on the Russian forces in terms of attrition from -- from the attacks that the Ukrainians seem to have affected on Russian supply lines?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: I think those are great questions. I think, first of all, we have seen the ratios between the Ukrainians and the Russians are in much better number, in -- in terms of equality or parity in the south, than they were initially up along the -- the eastern portion of the battlespace.

And again, without knowing all the particulars of what the Ukrainians are doing, I've got to believe they -- you know, they are students in military doctrine, and so they understand that conducting an attack takes a greater number of forces than if you were on the defense. So I think they probably have worked to adjust their numbers.

The gosh, I'm -- I'm sorry. The last part of your question, do you mind repeating that part?

Q: Yeah, just if -- if the -- the attacks on Russian supply lines, including into Crimea, have had any impact on -- had attrition -- attrited the Russian forces or impacted their -- their ability to resupply the south?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Yeah, so you all have reported really well on -- on what the Ukrainians have been doing to the supply lines. You know, they have -- not unlike the -- the rest of the fighting along the -- the battlespace, they have been employing their HIMARS to great effect, some of that on lines of communication. I know you've reported on how they've struck a number of bridges.

And so I think they've probably certainly had an effect on the Russians' ability to move north or south or east or west, however you want to look at it, across the Dnieper River, but -- and then we've seen, again -- and I get some of my best reporting from you all -- we've seen a -- a good number of reports talking about the morale of the Russian soldier on that side, you know, in -- in the Kherson pocket.

In fact, you know, the Washington Post diary articles this past week -- and I know those are a little dated, but if you take the diaries written, you know, several months ago of a Russian soldier and you -- you take those at face value in Kherson, in that area, I mean, morale then was miserable. So now imagine you're a Russian soldier and, you know, a couple months into it and you've been getting hit pretty hard by artillery and -- and HIMARS employed by now the -- as we mentioned, the Ukrainians added capabilities associated with their air campaign. They are becoming more and more efficient and effective. And so add that to already bad morale and bad troop numbers, as [omitted] was kind of mentioning earlier, and I've got to think that -- that the Ukrainians have seen that as well and are working to take advantage of it.

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Q (CNN): Yes. Thank you.

Can you -- can you tell us if there is any U.S. role in helping keep the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant safe as it gets compromised? That's not a hypothetical question. I want to know if there is any U.S. role regarding that plant? And, secondly, can you tell us -- there are reports that U.S. officials believe U.S. weapon stocks in some cases are now quote "uncomfortably low." As [omitted], I can only imagine you have some detailed insight to the state of U.S. weapon stocks. What is that right now? Are weapon stocks for the U.S. low and in what instances is that happening?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Barbara, I'll answer the last question there, and then I'll pass it back to [omitted] on the nuclear power plant piece.

So to the first, the short answer to your question is no. You know, every time -- every time we work one of these directives, we -- as you would expect and hope, we take our readiness into account before we make a decision. And so I can assure you that a number of those questions are number one, do we have the ability to execute operations ourselves if it were ever to come to that? And number two, do we have the requisite equipment and munitions available to continue to train ourselves at a high state of readiness? And in both those cases we're able to provide what we have provided and still maintain our readiness as military force.

And I will pass it over to [omitted].

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: Sure. Barbara, the focus for us on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on urging Russia to vacate the power plant and allow the Ukrainians to operate it in peace. So our focus is on pressing the Russians to cease military operations in the area. In terms of the actual functioning of the plant, we're very intent on ensuring that the IAEA can send its team into the plant and ensure the safety of those plant operations. We know that those Ukrainian plant operators are doing the best they can under very trying circumstances. And we've seen reports of how the Russians have been pressuring them and harassing them and we applaud their efforts to maintain that safety. But we really need IAEA to be granted access.

We believe that the safest outcome would be a controlled shutdown of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant reactors, that this would be the least risky course of action in the near term. That said, we also have U.S. scientists that are monitoring radiation sensor data at the power plant and we have seen no indications of increased or abnormal radiation levels so far.

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Q (Politico): And just to follow up, maybe you could answer this -- have you seen Russia begin repositioning any more of its forces from the east to the south, in anticipation of this offensive?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: We have not.

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Q: Hi, this is for the Senior Defense Official. We've been inundated over the last few weeks with lists of committed U.S. equipment to Ukraine. Senior Defense Official, can you walk us through what's actually been delivered, by way of the HIMARS, Switchblades, Phoenix Ghosts, actually delivered versus committed?

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: Okay, Tony, this is a great question, but to get to that level of detail, I just don't have it all in front of me. I would say that with -- you know, with the items in general, when they're coming via drawdown -- presidential drawdown -- so that pertains to the HIMARS, to the GMLRS, the ammunition -- most of the ammunition, I should say -- those are arriving very quickly, so really within days and weeks. And, you know, from all of our prior drawdown packages, it's very expeditious.

The items that we are contracting for do take longer because we're going out to industry to procure them. The Phoenix Ghost capability that you mentioned, I know that was a topic of interest before, and we did have -- we've provided Phoenix Ghosts last spring and we decided earlier this summer to provide another Phoenix Ghost contract, which we announced under USAI.

I can confirm for you that under that new contract, we have already delivered the first batch of capabilities. That, I just happened to know off the top of my head because it occurred quite recently. And as you may recall, for Phoenix Ghost in particular, we're going to be able to continue providing regular intervals of deliveries to ensure that the Ukrainians don't run out of Phoenix Ghosts in particular.

But I don't have a rundown on all those capabilities but we can try to follow up.

Q: -- may I -- may I ask one follow up? Friday night, the Pentagon dropped the first NASAMS contract to Raytheon for $184 million. It said this contract is estimated to take two years to complete, August of 2024. May I ask -- realizing you're not the acquisition authority but why two years for something that seems as so urgent?

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: So the USAI package that pertains to the NASAMS that will take, you know, up to a couple of years is a package that is designed to build the enduring strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

So we do know that, you know, we have to go out to industry and industry has to sometimes produce new capabilities, and that is what that package pertains to. I would have to defer to my acquisition colleagues to get into the -- the specific details.

But I will tell you that in terms of air defense writ large, we had an earlier contract for NASAMS, which should be arriving really within the next couple of months here, and that was for more immediate use by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with capability that we could quickly procure.

Q: Is that from Norway these are coming from, those units?

SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: This -- again, we're procuring from industry. I don't have more specific detail on that.

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Q (Sputnik): Yes, no problem. White House Strategic Communications Coordinator Kirby said earlier today that the U.S. does not have a way of -- of accounting the number of shells -- artillery shells fired around the Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine. I was wondering if you could give clarity on exactly what level of visibility the U.S. has on the military activity around the plant and which side is shelling at any given moment?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Yeah, I -- so what I know for sure is that the -- the Russians are firing from around the plant and, you know, I also know that there are rounds that have impacted near the plant. You know, the way that we're tracking the forces around the nuclear power plant -- it's not like there's a -- a constant -- it's hard to explain, I guess. It's not like there are forces in every square inch of the area around the plant. And so we also know that the Russians have fired in the vicinity of the plant.

And I don't want to say that the Ukrainians haven't fired in that vicinity either because I think there's probably a likelihood that they have, but in good -- in a number of cases, it's returning fire of the Russians who are firing from those locations.

I mean, I guess the easy thing to say here too would be, you know, the Ukrainians are very aware of the potential impacts of striking the nuclear power plant and they're going out of their way not to do that. And they have had conversations with us about that too, that they are very aware of the criticality of that nuclear power plant.

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Spoggerific: May 28, 2009

Re: paywalled articles, in many cases you can just disable javascript to get access. This works for NYT and the Wasington Post, at the least.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 02:16

Lum_: Jun 5, 2006

aphid_licker posted:

They've been chipping away at those bridges for what, the better part of a month? If the Russians srsly have no ace up their sleeve or plan and just sat there and watched as the Ukrainians set that epic de facto encirclement up that's gonna be a military blunder for the ages. My theory is that maybe it's a lot harder for Ukrainians to advance even against demoralized and supply-constrained defenders than many are thinking and this is gonna take weeks to noticeably go anywhere but who knows, maybe it'll all come crashing down tomorrow.

I think it's significant that that one instagram video from the attack kickoff was from a DPR regiment (which tend to be completely untrained militia handed Mosins and pointed in the general direction of the enemy), so Russia's *master plan* may well be to just have cannon fodder eat the first attack and then strike the attackers afterwards.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 05:03

Baconroll: Feb 6, 2009

I wonder how many Russian officers above the rank of Junior Lieutenant are still left on the wrong side of the Donbas in the South. Based on their track record I'd guess most have vanished.

I'm waiting to see drone strikes on barges laden with washing machines rather than troops being evacuated to the Crimea side.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 06:57

Syrian Lannister: Aug 25, 2007; Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.; Sugartime Jones

Spoggerific posted:

Re: paywalled articles, in many cases you can just disable javascript to get access. This works for NYT and the Wasington Post, at the least.

Chicago Tribune as well.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 11:13

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

I understand it's annoying juggling tons of subscriptions, but if we want news to consist of anything other than 24/7 cable and Facebook clickbait reposts, we're going to have to pay for it.

psydude fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Aug 30, 2022

# ? Aug 30, 2022 11:17

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://twitter.com/flash43191300/status/1564555974266208257?s=21&t=yOOr1d2Rb0X4hfbehcuXCA

:lmao:

# ? Aug 30, 2022 14:20

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

I wonder if these are still in storage somewhere.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 14:41

bennyfactor: Nov 21, 2008

Marshal Prolapse posted:

https://twitter.com/flash43191300/status/1564555974266208257?s=21&t=yOOr1d2Rb0X4hfbehcuXCA

Maybe this is why Russia has stated it's merked like 100 HIMARS launchers?

# ? Aug 30, 2022 14:58

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

bennyfactor posted:

Maybe this is why Russia has stated it's merked like 100 HIMARS launchers?

Apparently there is some truth to that. I was reading something where one western source was saying this may account for all their weird claims of destroying so many HIMARS.

https://twitter.com/glasnostgone/status/1564579975122010114?s=21&t=6GHV3N9lUskua_M3ugaXKA

Putin looks like he�s having a bowl obstruction.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:01

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Lonely himar system in the middle of a wheat field hasn�t moved for 24 hours�.

Even the Russians can�t be this dumb.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:29

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Crab Dad posted:

Lonely himar system in the middle of a wheat field hasn�t moved for 24 hours�.

Even the Russians can�t be this dumb.

Remember the toilet they recently blew up with an expensive missile? Yes, they can absolutely be that dumb.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:30

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Crab Dad posted:

Lonely himar system in the middle of a wheat field hasn�t moved for 24 hours�.

Even the Russians can�t be this dumb.

Why not? It�s how they operate their own equipment.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:50

Fearless: Sep 3, 2003; DRINK MORE MOXIE

Has anyone seen hide or hair of Gerasimov since that inspection tour of Ukraine when he was supposedly wounded? He was absent from the subsequent May Day celebrations as well if memory serves.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:52

Ghost of Babyhead: Jun 28, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Fearless posted:

Has anyone seen hide or hair of Gerasimov since that inspection tour of Ukraine when he was supposedly wounded? He was absent from the subsequent May Day celebrations as well if memory serves.

https://twitter.com/Razor19876/status/1521170940192825344?s=20&t=kV1B_UztDHcjLE29AaHU-g

# ? Aug 30, 2022 15:58

bird food bathtub: Aug 9, 2003; College Slice

Gonna laugh when it comes out they were tying balloons to the real HIMARS or some poo poo so they get ignored.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 16:13

CainFortea: Oct 15, 2004

psydude posted:

I understand it's annoying juggling tons of subscriptions, but if we want news to consist of anything other than 24/7 cable and Facebook clickbait reposts, we're going to have to pay for it.

The second one of them starts being an actual news service i'll pay them. The only difference between cable news and nyt is how far down they've pulled the mask.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 16:27

my kinda ape: Sep 15, 2008; Everything's gonna be A-OK; Oven Wrangler

Yeah some of the reporting NYT does is great work but I'm not giving a single cent to those opinion page freaks.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 17:28

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Democracy dies in darkness, now here is an opinion column on why it's a good thing that less people should be able to vote.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 17:33

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

Ok great, then don't read the Op Eds. WSJ leads the way in terrible editorials, but has also had some of the best reporting on the Ukraine War.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 17:49

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

my kinda ape posted:

Yeah some of the reporting NYT does is great work but I'm not giving a single cent to those opinion page freaks.

one exception is Jamelle Bouie, he has good opinions and goes on comedy podcasts like Doughboys. Most of the others are useless.

That Works posted:

Democracy dies in darkness, now here is an opinion column on why it's a good thing that less people should be able to vote.

Lol yeah I like how they assure us being owned by a plutocrat will not impact their reporting. Like expecting the Coal Baron Tribune to have objective coverage of a miners strike.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 17:53

Source4Leko: Jul 25, 2007; Dinosaur Gum

That Works posted:

Democracy dies in darkness, now here is an opinion column on why it's a good thing that less people should be able to vote.

It's cool they started putting the mission statement at the top of the page.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 17:55

CainFortea: Oct 15, 2004

psydude posted:

Ok great, then don't read the Op Eds. WSJ leads the way in terrible editorials, but has also had some of the best reporting on the Ukraine War.

How about I don't actually support them in any way and encourage people to do the same instead? Cool. Glad we came to an agreement.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 18:00

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

my kinda ape posted:

Yeah some of the reporting NYT does is great work but I'm not giving a single cent to those opinion page freaks.

Let�s not forget the guy who broke �her emails� is still there.

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 30, 2022 18:03

psydude: Apr 1, 2008

CainFortea posted:

How about I don't actually support them in any way and encourage people to do the same instead? Cool. Glad we came to an agreement.

Ok then which news organizations reporting on the war would you encourage us to support?

This is an honest question. Because a lot of outlets like DW and The Guardian seem to just be pulling from content already published by the likes of WaPo, NYT, and WSJ.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 18:06

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:37

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

psydude posted:

Ok then which news organizations reporting on the war would you encourage us to support?

Wartranslated.com

Dimitri does a lot of good work.

# ? Aug 30, 2022 18:07

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