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Looke posted:RIP to a real one drat it I saw this and that Alan Sugar was trending and you got my hopes up. Instead he's saying Johnson and Gove should go to jail for Brexit. Which, sure, whatever. Lock those fuckers up.
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Aug 30, 2022 14:39
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MeinPanzer posted:Just been in BC, Canada, where food is still 1.3x more expensive generally than the UK, housing is about 2-3x the price of pretty much anywhere outside of the heart of London, and there's now a campaign to actively bring in more doctors because people literally can't get a GP. And this is after years of a national centrist party and left-wing provincial party being in power that have ostensibly been helping to improve these issues. Yeah sounds about right. There are more places in Canada than BC, though. Still, pretty much everything is more expensive in Canada except for petrol (cheaper here), and some electronics like TVs, computer parts, power tools, which can be had for about the same as the UK. Food is more, drugs/pharmacy goods are much more, housing... is tricky. Some things like mobile phone contracts and internet are much more expensive here. Your basic unlimited internet connection at speeds like those you'd get in the UK (so, something you'd typically pay £15/mo for) starts at about $55/mo(£37) here. In the UK an unlimited data mobile contract can be had for £23 or less, whereas here, if you want, say, 20gb/month, it's $75/month (£50), SIM only. Of course now energy is *much* cheaper here. We're seeing some rises but on the order of like 8% or something. Houses in BC/Toronto are as expensive or more expensive than lots of places in London it seems. Elsewhere, in places like Calgary and Ottawa (where I am) housing can still be had for less, sometimes still much less, than where I was before in Milton Keynes. I've just looked and there's one near me (a little outside Ottawa-proper) for sale, 3-bed detached in good shape with plenty of space (a 3-bed here is often quite a bit bigger than a 3-bed in the UK as most homes have basements which are sometimes basically the same size as one of the main floors), with a (very small, above-ground) swimming pool, for the equivalent of £340k. A similar house back in MK would have cost probably £600k+. Downtown Ottawa, the prices can get silly, but we're only ~25 mins drive from downtown. Also the average pay here is a bit higher than in the UK - Ottawa is the capital, and there are lots of high-paying gov jobs here plus a successful tech sector. When we were first seriously considering moving in 2017/18 houses were still much cheaper than most of the South of the UK, but from then until last year they've gone up 15-20% per year. It's cooled down a bit now though as the interest rates for mortgages have shot up - the base rate has gone from I think 0.5% to 2.5, and expected to be 3.0 by end of year. I'm not convinced that renting is actually any cheaper here than much of the UK but buying still is. Things *are* hosed with healthcare, we don't have a GP still, but I can't honestly say that aspect is any worse than I felt the UK was getting. One thing here is that even without actually having a GP (they call them "Family Doctors" over here), you can still access telehealth services and see a doctor over Zoom, usually the same day, covered by your provincial health authority. Of course there are some things where you need to be physically seen by a doctor which is harder (largely because of changes around Covid - it wasn't too bad before) but telehealth can deal with a lot of things and it seems it's relatively a lot easier to get referrals to specialists here. We don't regret moving, though. It's true that "the grass is always greener" but sometimes you can genuinely improve your life by going somewhere else/changing something. I know that emigrating is not easy, and can be expensive, and not everybody has the means, but if you do I would recommend considering GTFO'ing from the UK. I know things are hosed in a lot of places right now but the UK seems to be spiraling the hardest of just about anywhere outside of Ukraine/Russia right now. There are things other than direct material concerns, too - people are nicer here, generally, and that makes a ton of difference. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 14:43
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Tesseraction posted:drat it I saw this and that Alan Sugar was trending and you got my hopes up. ALAN SUGAR said that? 
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Aug 30, 2022 15:31
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Nah they should go to jail for life, not just for Brexit.
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Aug 30, 2022 15:45
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah sounds about right. There are more places in Canada than BC, though. We've had this debate before, but on average it's still much easier to just live an average comfortable life in the UK than it is in Canada. Even now, with inflation really biting in the UK, just about everything except for energy costs is noticeably more expensive in Canada. There are also many more livable cities/areas with decent economies in the UK than there are in Canada, so I really don't agree that buying is generally cheaper in Canada than the UK--you can find a 3-bed for $350k, but good luck finding one for that price that's within livable distance of basic amenities and your work if you ever need to go into an office. quote:Things *are* hosed with healthcare, we don't have a GP still, but I can't honestly say that aspect is any worse than I felt the UK was getting. One thing here is that even without actually having a GP (they call them "Family Doctors" over here), you can still access telehealth services and see a doctor over Zoom, usually the same day, covered by your provincial health authority. Of course there are some things where you need to be physically seen by a doctor which is harder (largely because of changes around Covid - it wasn't too bad before) but telehealth can deal with a lot of things and it seems it's relatively a lot easier to get referrals to specialists here. Both when I moved to the Midlands in 2018 and when I moved up to near Edinburgh in 2020 I managed to register with a GP basically right away with a local surgery, and I've also used Scottish telehealth services since moving here and been quite impressed with how smoothly it went. My impression is that while A&E services are stretched thinner in the UK, actual basic medical care is much harder to come by in much of Canada (going by what I hear from friends in large and mid-sized cities). Again, when it comes to the basic stuff you have to deal with in everyday life, the UK still comes out on top on average IMO.
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In Finland everything's expensive. But things tend to work, for now. Feels like things are moving in the same wrong direction as everywhere else though, just slower. Still, few places I'd rather be when the world's going to poo poo. Can't really think of a better place.
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Aug 30, 2022 15:57
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Guavanaut posted:Nah they should go to jail for life, not just for Brexit. I'm sorry to inform you that brexit is for life.
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Aug 30, 2022 15:59
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Guavanaut posted:"lasses are shite at snooker, can't drive either, it's science like" Tbh I find the trans sports debate pretty hard to navigate sometimes. So it's nice for the terfs to get angry about an example I can easily laugh at and tell them to gently caress off on. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:In Finland everything's expensive. But things tend to work, for now. Feels like things are moving in the same wrong direction as everywhere else though, just slower. Still, few places I'd rather be when the world's going to poo poo. Can't really think of a better place. I mean your PM's two biggest recent scandals is "WOMAN DANCING" and "WOMEN KISSING" so things are clearly not going too badly.
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Mega Comrade posted:Tbh I find the trans sports debate pretty hard to navigate sometimes. It's a bit like the halal/kosher slaughter 'debate' in the tabloids. There were some genuinely well meaning vegans and animal rights activists who got caught up in the crowd of Tommies Robinson but it just ended up a mess because it was never a good faith debate in the first place, it was ignoring the entire whole mess of modern meat farming to scream at an ethnic butcher with a few dozen customers. (This is also why they always overextend into the ridiculous.) By analogy there's a whole lot that can be improved for women's sports, and a whole lot that needs to be reformed for prisons, without the distraction of the people who just want to harass a minority.
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Snooker is a weird one for them to get outraged about because if you can't reach a long shot they literally pull out a little widget to put your cue on. Do they live in a world where people will take medically transition to get long-limb advantage? Well, I guess a change is as good as a rest.
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Yeah my main question here is why is there a separate women's snooker tournament?
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wonder how many of the people currently complaining about the winner of a women's snooker tournament give enough of a poo poo about women's snooker to be able to name the previous winner
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Aug 30, 2022 16:47
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Julio Cruz posted:wonder how many of the people currently complaining about the winner of a women's snooker tournament give enough of a poo poo about women's snooker to be able to name the previous winner Jenny Ovules clearly.
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Aug 30, 2022 16:48
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Isomermaid posted:Well, I guess a change is as good as a rest.  Isomermaid posted:pull out a little widget to put your cue on. Though I'd prefer if they did this in the privacy of a gender neutral bathroom
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Mega Comrade posted:Tbh I find the trans sports debate pretty hard to navigate sometimes. So it's nice for the terfs to get angry about an example I can easily laugh at and tell them to gently caress off on. I think that on an emotional level it seems like a tough subject but while I'm not a biologist or doctor or anything the little evidence I've looked at suggests that if someone has fully transitioned they have no discernable advantage. Like, a more important questions is "is snooker a sport?"
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Yeah the argument about trans women in sport (and notice they tend to complain less about trans men in sport, although force a trans man up against a bunch of cis women because of your ideology and you might see some complaints) is as if a bunch of 120 kg muscle kings suddenly sticks a pink ribbon on their beard and get to compete against a 60 kg woman in MMA. It really doesn't work like that and after a certain amount of time on HRT, I think something insanely short like 6 months, the advantages you had will have gone.
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MeinPanzer posted:We've had this debate before, but on average it's still much easier to just live an average comfortable life in the UK than it is in Canada. Yeah you may be right, at least excepting the current energy crisis. Still, depending on what skills you have etc. you might find it relatively easy to get a higher-paying job in Canada than in the UK. Even if you don't have any skills/experience I get the impression it's easier to earn half-decent money here. Minimum wage in Ontario is $15.50/hr (£10.16) but most entry-level jobs seem to pay more than that where I am. Things like basic delivery driver jobs here can pay $25/hr (£16hr at current conversion rates) whereas similar jobs in the UK seem to mostly pay ~£10/hr. Lots of other stuff like entry positions in the trades requiring no experience will start at ~$20/hr (~£13). As I said it's not for everyone, costs money to get here etc., but it's not a simple straightforward comparison. Also of course, there are other places to live than Canada, if you can get out of the UK.
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https://twitter.com/thhamilton/status/1564624273154646023 "And you're saying for the op I should stand in it? While you hold those shovels? Oh no, no no no for the love of God Montresor!"
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah my main question here is why is there a separate women's snooker tournament? Because the pool of men playing snooker is so much larger to draw from they would dominate a mixed gender event. forkboy84 posted:I think that on an emotional level it seems like a tough subject but while I'm not a biologist or doctor or anything the little evidence I've looked at suggests that if someone has fully transitioned they have no discernable advantage. What does that mean though? When is someone's transitioning complete? (I don't actually wish to debate this, I'm just asking to make the point) I agree most of the things Ive seen suggest most (if not possibly all) sports can be made fair, how they are made fair is complicated and tricky and that's why terfs love to bring it up because "its complicated" is always going to be harder to get across then their screaming and simple reasoning. Especially as currently there is very little research into it.
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Like I said I'm pretty sure after six months of HRT the advantage has already dissipated.
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Tesseraction posted:The secret to moving to Canada is making sure to avoid Alberta. Wellll maybe. There are for sure a lot of people there who are conservative and gung-ho about oil extraction, but Calgary is a cool city and one of the most affordable for housing. Also Ontario (where ~37% of Canadians live) has had a Conservative provincial government since 2018. Though as a general point about Calgary and Canadian cities in general is that suburban sprawl and therefore transportation/traffic are issues. Public transport sucks in most places, it's even more car-dependent here than the UK.
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah you may be right, at least excepting the current energy crisis. Still, depending on what skills you have etc. you might find it relatively easy to get a higher-paying job in Canada than in the UK. Even if you don't have any skills/experience I get the impression it's easier to earn half-decent money here. Minimum wage in Ontario is $15.50/hr (£10.16) but most entry-level jobs seem to pay more than that where I am. Things like basic delivery driver jobs here can pay $25/hr (£16hr at current conversion rates) whereas similar jobs in the UK seem to mostly pay ~£10/hr. Lots of other stuff like entry positions in the trades requiring no experience will start at ~$20/hr (~£13). The impression I get, and admittedly in the UK most people I know relatively well are in their 30s-50s so I have a bit of a biased sample there, is that right now as a professional or somebody with a decent job it's maybe a bit easier when you're starting out your career in much of Canada, but that quality of life drops off pretty drastically once you decide you want to buy property and/or start a family. A ton of my Canadian millennial friends and family with two solid incomes are in various stages of starting or trying to start families and struggling to make it work in a way that people in a comparable situation in the UK aren't (current energy crisis notwithstanding). I know several people who have told me that they literally don't know what they will do if their mortgages go up another couple of percentage points when their rates next get readjusted. quote:The secret to moving to Canada is making sure to avoid Alberta. That also goes for Manitoba and even more so Saskatchewan. Or really any rural part of the country, come to think of it. I've encountered a shocking amount of dumbass anti-covid and freedom convoy bullshit driving just outside of Vancouver or Victoria since the pandemic started.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/30/jeremy-vine-breached-impartiality-rules-over-safe-cycling-remarks-says-bbcquote:One local anti-LTN campaigner complained to the BBC, arguing that Vine’s repeated tweets in support of the scheme represented “a campaign of abuse” against a legitimate campaigning group. They claimed Vine breached the corporation’s new impartiality rules by expressing a view on a controversial matter in a manner inappropriate for a “journalist who should be non-biased”. So basically if you have any number of weirdos angry about something it's a controversial topic then?
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Mega Comrade posted:Because the pool of men playing snooker is so much larger to draw from they would dominate a mixed gender event. I just think the whole discussion is a massive red herring. I ain't outrunning Usain Bolt (to be fair, I'm not outrunning Oscar Pistorius without his prosthetics either but that's a separate issue) & no matter how hard I train I'm not beating him because I don't have his genetics, the fast-twitch to slow-twitch muscle ratio & all that jazz. You can take me at the age of 5 & give me the best training, the perfect nutrition & then when I hit the right age you can dope me up with steroids, amphetamines, EPO, HRT, all that good poo poo & I am still not winning the Tour de France. Athletics is unfair. Genetics is unfair. That's life. Life is unfair.
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forkboy84 posted:. Athletics is unfair. Genetics is unfair. That's life. Life is unfair. You're not the boss of me now, and you're not so big 
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/thhamilton/status/1564624273154646023 he wants to gently caress it
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/thhamilton/status/1564624273154646023 When i said i wanted him dead in a ditch i was hoping for something more.... ditch like.  
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Mega Comrade posted:Because the pool of men playing snooker is so much larger to draw from they would dominate a mixed gender event. To the point where most people don't realise that World Snooker Tour events are already mixed gender. The WPBSA have wanted to get women represented seriously on the tour for years, and as part of that they give several women including the winner of the Ladies World Championship a two-year tour card, but they find it hard to compete with the men. Earlier this month Ng On-Yee qualified for the British Open by beating Ken Doherty, but she's only the second woman to reach the last 64 of a ranking event.
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The idea that competitive sport discerns the objective Best Person At Sport is inherently stupid and once you realise that you can call the whole pearl clutching shite about the sanctity of are holy records being stolen by the trans terror doubly stupid because it's predicated on a previous stupid idea as well as being stupid in and of itself. Sports aren't real.
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Is there a women's darts? Hope a trans woman wins that next.
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OwlFancier posted:The idea that competitive sport discerns the objective Best Person At Sport is inherently stupid and once you realise that you can call the whole pearl clutching shite about the sanctity of are holy records being stolen by the trans terror doubly stupid because it's predicated on a previous stupid idea as well as being stupid in and of itself. how else do you propose to ascertain the best sport-doing person?
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Largest gamete. Plants would just win every time.
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Scream at god in a thunderstorm and whoever dies last is clearly favoured.
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