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ColdPie: Jun 9, 2006

So Biden's public safety plan is to give this lady a raise, and maybe some How Not To Say Racist poo poo On Camera training,

https://twitter.com/JemarTisby/status/1564631265923440643

And really commit to the highly successful War on Drugs.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1564735631703556097

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# ? Aug 31, 2022 12:43

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# ? May 28, 2024 16:13

Archonex: May 2, 2012; MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

ColdPie posted:

So Biden's public safety plan is to give this lady a raise, and maybe some How Not To Say Racist poo poo On Camera training,

https://twitter.com/JemarTisby/status/1564631265923440643

Haven't gotten into the article itself yet but the headline points out that she got the boot. Assuming that's true how does this translate to giving her a raise? :wtc:

Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 31, 2022 12:46

Cranappleberry: Jan 27, 2009

Archonex posted:

Haven't gotten into the article itself yet but the headline points out that she got the boot. Assuming that's true how does this translate to giving her a raise?

ColdPie is referring to Biden's plan of giving more money to cops, toward extra "training" and etc rather than any real reform.

Also, turning up the the heat in the drug war.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 13:09

ColdPie: Jun 9, 2006

Archonex posted:

Haven't gotten into the article itself yet but the headline points out that she got the boot. Assuming that's true how does this translate to giving her a raise?

You may replace "this lady" with "cops like this lady," if you like. She was on the force for 14 years, and the police union has stated they will support her if she challenges the firing. She is absolutely representative of a typical police officer, she just happened to get caught on mic.

ColdPie fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 31, 2022 13:57

Uncle Boogeyman: Jul 22, 2007

e: nvm

# ? Aug 31, 2022 14:09

cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

ColdPie posted:

You may replace "this lady" with "cops like this lady," if you like. She was on the force for 14 years, and the police union has stated they will support her if she challenges the firing. She is absolutely representative of a typical police officer, she just happened to get caught on mic.

This right here is why training won't solve these problems. The police all close ranks when one of their own gets in trouble for doing racisms &c. I fail to see how training will make them realize this is wrong. This is an institutional problem. It is not a problem of a few bad apples or training in how not to be a fascist bully.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 14:29

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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The DOJ is essentially saying that Trump lied and withheld evidence in their new filing.

In the filings, the DOJ also says that they found top secret documents kept unsecured in Trump's desk and dresser and that they were �likely concealed and removed� from the storage room they were originally in before the National Archives came to collect and search.

quote:

The filing offers yet another indication of the sheer volume of classified records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Florida. It shows how investigators conducting a criminal probe have focused not just on why the records were improperly stored there but also on the question of whether the Trump team intentionally misled them about the continued, and unlawful, presence of the top secret documents.

The timeline laid out by the Justice Department made clear that the extraordinary search of Mar-a-Lago came only after other efforts to retrieve the records had failed and that it resulted from law enforcement suspicion that additional documents remained inside the property despite assurances by Trump representatives that a �diligent search� had accounted for all of the material.

Also, the FBI itself still doesn't know why Trump took so many documents, lied about them, hid them from investigators, and then legally fought to prevent them from being returned.

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Though it contains significant new details on the investigation, the Justice Department filing does not resolve a core question that has driven public fascination with the investigation � why Trump held onto the documents after he left the White House and why he and his team resisted repeated efforts to give them back. In fact, it suggests officials may not have received an answer.

During a June 3 visit to Mar-a-Lago by FBI and Justice Department officials, the document states, �Counsel for the former President offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the Premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the Administration.�

The FBI subpoenaed video footage after they suspected that Trump's lawyers were lying and found security tapes of people moving the documents before the National Archive and FBI team came to claim them:

quote:

During that visit, the document says, Trump�s lawyers told investigators that all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location � a Mar-a-Lago storage room � and that �there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises and that all available boxes were searched.�

After that, though, the department, which had subpoenaed video footage for the property, �developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government�s investigation.� The filing does not identify the individuals who may have relocated the boxes.

This seems very much like a situation where the actual crime wouldn't have gotten him in much trouble, but the huge coverup and obstruction of the initial crime will. It's also still not clear why he personally went through tens of thousands of classified documents, spent months sneaking them out of the White House, why he chose those specific documents, or went through all of this to keep them.

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1564965683196268549
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1564976330730520576

https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 31, 2022 15:10

Nucleic Acids: Apr 10, 2007

cat botherer posted:

This right here is why training won't solve these problems. The police all close ranks when one of their own gets in trouble for doing racisms &c. I fail to see how training will make them realize this is wrong. This is an institutional problem. It is not a problem of a few bad apples or training in how not to be a fascist bully.

More money to cops is just a giant gently caress you to every poor person and person of color in this country no matter what.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 15:13

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

cat botherer posted:

This right here is why training won't solve these problems. The police all close ranks when one of their own gets in trouble for doing racisms &c. I fail to see how training will make them realize this is wrong. This is an institutional problem. It is not a problem of a few bad apples or training in how not to be a fascist bully.

I don�t remember where this happened, but a cop was charged with manslaughter somewhere and his department decided not to answer any 911 calls. Training is not going to solve this issue.

And I must lol at training cops NOT to use chokeholds and poo poo. They already know that they aren�t supposed to and many departments have policies against those types of methods and yet it still occurs.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 15:44

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Nucleic Acids posted:

More money to cops is just a giant gently caress you to every poor person and person of color in this country no matter what.

I just came back from 7-11 where a Broward County Sherriff Officer was harassing a homeless man whose crimes are "holding the door open for people", "cleaning up the parking lot", and "never asking anyone for anything"

The piggie wasn't even on duty, he was wearing his uniform but driving his civvie car around.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 15:45

Gerund: Sep 12, 2007; He push a man

theCalamity posted:

I don’t remember where this happened, but a cop was charged with manslaughter somewhere and his department decided not to answer any 911 calls. Training is not going to solve this issue.

And I must lol at training cops NOT to use chokeholds and poo poo. They already know that they aren’t supposed to and many departments have policies against those types of methods and yet it still occurs.

Kansas City, and they've been recording themselves saying as such.

It is a rotten system that cannot be reformed. The administration and its supporters are pushing for hatefully dumb policy.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:03

projecthalaxy: Dec 27, 2008; Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son

Lib and let die posted:

I just came back from 7-11 where a Broward County Sherriff Officer was harassing a homeless man whose crimes are "holding the door open for people", "cleaning up the parking lot", and "never asking anyone for anything"

The piggie wasn't even on duty, he was wearing his uniform but driving his civvie car around.

Good. I agree with the Biden administration. That sheriff should get cash and prizes and 100,000 new like minded friends to team up with, all on the public dime. Keep up the good work, team!

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:03

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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projecthalaxy posted:

Good. I agree with the Biden administration. That sheriff should get cash and prizes and 100,000 new like minded friends to team up with, all on the public dime. Keep up the good work, team!

Please try to keep the one sentence shitposting to a minimum.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:12

Judgy Fucker: Mar 24, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Please try to keep the one sentence shitposting to a minimum.

What about three-sentence shitposts?

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:15

theCalamity: Oct 23, 2010; Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

It�s actually four

Gerund posted:

Kansas City, and they've been recording themselves saying as such.

It is a rotten system that cannot be reformed. The administration and its supporters are pushing for hatefully dumb policy.

The police planted a gun near the victim so they could say he was armed. The detective is lucky he�s getting a manslaughter charge and not premeditated murder

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:16

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Judgy Fucker posted:

What about three-sentence shitposts?

As long as they are appended to a post that contributes something, go wild.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:18

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Leon takes the lead in this thread but my personal preference is shitposts in the form of haiku.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:23

Cranappleberry: Jan 27, 2009

in the late autumn
Trump will remove the deep state
appendectomy

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:26

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Epicurius posted:

Well, I think part of the idea is to train the police better

The problem isn't the training. But the training also makes it worse.

quote:

include more community oversight

They will simply ignore it.

quote:

and improve community-police relationships so they don't "terrorize marginalized groups"

They see the community as the enemy and themselves as soldiers.

quote:

...go back to the whole Peelian principles and such.

America's policing is founded on slave catching principles and you need to address that.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:44

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

all cops are bastards
even the good ones you think real
institutional

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:45

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Jaxyon posted:

all cops are bastards
even the good ones you think real
institutional

The second verse there
has too many syllables
it should be seven

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:48

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

i thought you said shitposts

:colbert:

all cops are bastards
even the "good ones"(not real)
institutional

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:50

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

Dr Christmas posted:

https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1385274653229285377

Professor Beetus posted:

Leon takes the lead in this thread but my personal preference is shitposts in the form of haiku.

I would like to note
Grossman also wrote a book
with space tank sex scenes.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:52

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Derek Chauvin lacked
Sensitivity training
Murder politely

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:55

Crain: Jun 27, 2007; I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The second verse there
has too many syllables
it should be seven

Born Die/World a gently caress
410,000,000 Dead Cops
鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:56

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Concentration camp?
Give them unlimited funds!
~Migrant processing~

# ? Aug 31, 2022 16:59

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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The Washington Post put out a focus group made up of several different people with student loan debt and what they think about it.

It's got a lot of interesting insights into the mind of the average non-political person, some perspectives from people on different levels of education/age/debt, and a couple of mind-blowing takes.

Leandra Westbrook in particular sounds like she has some deep-seated shame and/or pride of the fact that she has student loan debt.

quote:

What borrowers think of Biden�s student-loan forgiveness plan

Student-loan borrowers have desperately awaited President Biden�s decision on debt cancellation since he took office. As days turned into months and months turned into more than a year of deliberations, some grew anxious or disillusioned. Others remained relentless in pressuring Biden to make good on a campaign promise.

Last week, he delivered a plan forgiving up to $20,000 of federal student debt held by Pell Grant recipients and up to $10,000 for other eligible borrowers. Only people earning under $125,000 a year � or less than $250,000 a year for couples � qualify. Because Pell Grants are given to lower- and middle-income students, the plan is designed to provide the greatest relief to people with the fewest financial resources.

The plan is not without its critics. People who never went to college, who never borrowed or who paid off their loans have called the policy unfair. Others, sometimes in those same groups, have defended it as a social good.

We wanted to know what borrowers � current and former � think about Biden�s cancellation policy.

quote:

Zach Hyatt, 42
Debt amount: $31,000

News of Biden�s executive order delighted Zach Hyatt, an electrical department manager at a Cleveland Clinic center in Ohio. After years of struggling to repay his $31,000 in student loans, the father of two is eligible for $20,000 in relief as a former Pell Grant recipient.

�It�s great news,� Hyatt said. �This will cut my balance down to an amount where you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any working-class person who can get a $20,000 credit for any aspect of their life � it�s a big deal.�

quote:

Keijana George, 18
Debt amount: $10,000

A rising sophomore at the University of Georgia, Keijana George, 18, has just about $10,000 in federal student loans. She still has two more years of college and designs on law school, which probably means more borrowing. Still, George is happy to have a clean slate, at least for now.

�I�m feeling pretty good,� said George, who is studying international affairs. �This is a great example of what we can accomplish when we hold our leaders accountable. But we have to push for more. Ten thousand is a lot of money, but college costs a whole lot more.�

Money is at the heart of nearly every decision George has made since applying to colleges. She traded in her dream school, Spelman College, a private historically Black institution where she was accepted with some financial aid, for much cheaper in-state tuition at UGA, where she could also take advantage of Georgia�s HOPE scholarship. Even if loan cancellation were available when she applied, George said, she would have chosen the same path.

quote:

Leandra Westbrook, 25
Debt amount: $60,000

With $60,000 in education loans, Leandra Westbrook, a Pell Grant recipient, could see her balance drop by $20,000 under Biden�s plan. Yet Westbrook, 25, isn�t sure she�ll seek the benefit.

�I�m very against this policy,� she said. �It would be a huge relief, and I understand why people would apply. But I made a commitment to pay those loans back when I agreed to take them out. It�s no one else�s responsibility.�

Since graduating Kent State University in 2019, Westbrook has aggressively paid down the $80,000 in federal loans she and her parents took out for her education. She moved back home to save money, had an array of side hustles, sold items online and stuck to a strict budget.

In hindsight, Westbrook said she regrets going to college and believes there is an overreliance on using degrees as a measure of ability. If anything, she said, the government should abolish the federal lending program, which she believes incentivizes colleges to keep prices artificially high. Perhaps then, colleges will be forced to lower their prices.

Leandra certainly has an interesting perspective. Wonder why she would feel the need to publicly turn down $20k and be against the new payment plan that caps her payments at 5% of discretionary income?

quote:

�I�m living within my means, making sacrifices and cutting costs where I can, because this is my obligation,� said Westbrook, a fundraising specialist for Majority Strategies, a Republican political advertising firm. �We don�t need people to be so dependent on federal assistance.�

Oh.

quote:

Levar Stoney, 41
Debt amount: $25,000

It took 15 years for Levar Stoney, 41, to repay the $25,000 in education loans he needed to attend James Madison University. When he graduated with a bachelor�s in public administration and political science, Stoney�s first job in politics paid about as much as he owed.

Still, he never missed a payment on his student debt or the Parent Plus loan his father took out on his behalf. Stoney lived a spartan life, even as he rose in politics, becoming Virginia�s secretary of the commonwealth and later Richmond�s youngest mayor. He kept his expenses at a minimum, he said. Years of hard work led to higher pay that helped whittle down the balance. And by 2019, he sent in his last payment.

Stoney was so elated that he took to Instagram to share his journey to becoming free of his student loans. And when he learned of Biden�s plan, a plan that would in no way benefit him, Stoney said he was �excited� for the recipients.

�I know how it feels to be burdened with college debt, and I believe that college should open up pathways to economic success,� Stoney said. �What�s unfair is to be burdened with debt for 10, sometimes 20 years, being unable to buy a house, build generational wealth.�

Student loans, Pell grants and scholarships put higher education within reach for Stoney, he said. The son of a custodian, Stoney said there was no doubt he could get into college, but paying for it was another thing.

�My problem was always: How can I remain in school and finish the job? Those loans, those programs allowed me to finish the job,� he said.

quote:

Ava Stevens, 61
Debt amount: $200,000

As happy as Ava Stevens is for the millions of people who will benefit from the cancellation plan, she can�t help but think that for her it amounts to �a drop in the ocean.�

�While I think $10,000 is significant, it�s certainly not enough,� Stevens said. �When I look at the way our government bails out industries � they have lobbying power, borrowers don�t.�

With an MBA and a master�s degree in education, Stevens has amassed $200,000 in debt. Half of that, she explained, is the interest that has accrued on her student loans. Stevens deferred her payments to cover household expenses and medical bills that mounted as her husband battled, and eventually succumbed to, cancer.

Within two years of his death, Stevens lost her job in student financial services at Portland State University because of budget cuts. That led to low-wage adjunct teaching positions. Stevens said she was never able to make consistent payments.

�I�m not asking for a walk on my student loans because I certainly benefited from the education, but this interest is crazy,� Stevens said. �The interest rate on my car loan is a fraction of the rate on my student loans. I will never be able to retire.�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/30/student-loan-cancellation-borrowers/

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:04

Stabbey_the_Clown: Sep 21, 2002; Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?; Taco Defender

cat botherer posted:

This right here is why training won't solve these problems. The police all close ranks when one of their own gets in trouble for doing racisms &c. I fail to see how training will make them realize this is wrong. This is an institutional problem. It is not a problem of a few bad apples or training in how not to be a fascist bully.

I would honestly like to know what a practical alternative to "fix the training" looks like. Try to fire the worst cops one-at-a-time, they close ranks, and the replacement gets trained by the same bad culture and learns the same bad traits. Fire all the cops at once and then you probably won't have the numbers of cops in training - even if were all decent people - to replace them and have meaningful institutional knowledge. Not to mention that would create an authority vacuum which will get filled up with militias and private gangs (probably full of now-disgruntled, unemployed ex-cops) which are even less accountable and likely to be as bad or worse as the ones with badges.

The idea which sounds most reasonable to me at the moment is a separate group which is trained to handle sociological and mental health issues instead of armed cops trained to fear and shoot first. For that sort of thing you WILL need buy-in from the police, so they support such things instead of trying to block them.

There is no one-step solution to the problem.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:09

Gerund: Sep 12, 2007; He push a man

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The Washington Post put out a focus group made up of several different people with student loan debt and what they think about it.

It's got a lot of interesting insights into the mind of the average non-political person, some perspectives from people on different levels of education/age/debt, and a couple of mind-blowing takes.

Leandra Westbrook in particular sounds like she has some deep-seated shame and/or pride of the fact that she has student loan debt.

Leandra certainly has an interesting perspective. Wonder why she would feel the need to publicly turn down $20k and be against the new payment plan that caps her payments at 5% of discretionary income?

Oh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/30/student-loan-cancellation-borrowers/

Producing horrible articles like this, no wonder Washington Post is losing money and will be cutting 100 newsroom jobs, according to to New York Times yesterday.

Republican operative Leandra probably has takes in-line with the administration about police funding however.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:17

Kaboobi: Jan 5, 2005; SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Leandra Westbrook in particular sounds like she has some deep-seated shame and/or pride of the fact that she has student loan debt.

Leandra certainly has an interesting perspective. Wonder why she would feel the need to publicly turn down $20k and be against the new payment plan that caps her payments at 5% of discretionary income?

Oh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/30/student-loan-cancellation-borrowers/

Leandra is the latest in a line of Kent State weirdos, yeah

quote:

I am an alumna of Kent State University. During my time at Kent, I was a student of the Washington Program in National Issues. This program offered me the opportunity to study in Washington, DC for a semester and view the political process firsthand in our nation�s capital. After graduating from Kent, I started as a Field Organizer with the Ohio Republican Party working to help re-elect President Trump. Shortly after, I was promoted to Regional Field Director and brought on with the RNC as a Trump Victory staffer. I oversaw 5 counties in northeast Ohio, notably flipping Lorain county - a county who hadn�t voted for a Republican president since 1984. In 2021, I joined Josh Mandel's US Senate campaign. I started out on his finance team while also being his scheduler. This was a great opportunity to see a different side of political campaigns and gain new skills. I am currently a Digital Fundraising Specialist with Majority Strategies.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:18

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

The last person from that article is depressing as gently caress

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:18

PoopShipDestroyer: Jan 13, 2006; I think he's ready for a chair

I have never been so sure of anything in my life as much as I'm sure that Leandra is 1000000% going to take that money to pay off her loans.

edit: Also nice to see people like Levar exist. My wife has $250,000 in student loans that will (hopefully) be forgiven under PSLF early next year and never once have we thought "this isn't fair!" when we heard about the loan forgiveness even though it really doesn't effect us in any way. Her loans (and the PSLF system) have been such a loving annoying burden I'd never wish on anyone.

PoopShipDestroyer fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 31, 2022

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:18

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Leandra just lied
she will take it anyway
performative poo poo

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:23

Quorum: Sep 24, 2014; REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

quote:
Levar Stoney, 41
Debt amount: $25,000

okay, I have to hand it to them, at least WaPo isn't being as one sided about their "Ohio swing voter who is secretly the chair of the state chapter of Republican Women for Trump" thing as usual. Levar Stoney is the Democratic mayor of Richmond, and also a bit of a doofus ladder climber. He's just about as unlikely as Leandra to offer an objective perspective. (Although he's correct to call this policy cool and good!)

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:24

cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

I would honestly like to know what a practical alternative to "fix the training" looks like. Try to fire the worst cops one-at-a-time, they close ranks, and the replacement gets trained by the same bad culture and learns the same bad traits. Fire all the cops at once and then you probably won't have the numbers of cops in training - even if were all decent people - to replace them and have meaningful institutional knowledge. Not to mention that would create an authority vacuum which will get filled up with militias and private gangs (probably full of now-disgruntled, unemployed ex-cops) which are even less accountable and likely to be as bad or worse as the ones with badges.

The idea which sounds most reasonable to me at the moment is a separate group which is trained to handle sociological and mental health issues instead of armed cops trained to fear and shoot first. For that sort of thing you WILL need buy-in from the police, so they support such things instead of trying to block them.

There is no one-step solution to the problem.

The purpose of a system is what it does. Police are here to protect the interests of the capitalist class. Heck, policing in America originally was about protecting the upper classes interests in human capital.

The first step is abolishing the current policing system, root and branch. This is impossible under our current political/economic system.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:25

Aegis: Apr 28, 2004; The sign kinda says it all.

eviltastic posted:

I would like to note
Grossman also wrote a book
with space tank sex scenes.

Like, sex in a tank
Or did the tanks themselves gently caress?
This is important.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:26

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Fire all the cops at once and then you probably won't have the numbers of cops in training - even if were all decent people - to replace them and have meaningful institutional knowledge.

Yes that's the point.

They don't have meaningful institutional knowledge. They have an institutional problem.

There are no decent cops on the force or in training. Even your friend or family member.

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:27

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

It's interesting to me that WaPo is mediating a clearly Republican message about student loan debt forgiveness. Why would they want their readers to internalize those talking points?

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:28

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

Interviewing a literal Republican operative is just so utterly absurd

# ? Aug 31, 2022 17:28

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# ? May 28, 2024 16:13

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The Washington Post put out a focus group made up of several different people with student loan debt and what they think about it.

It's got a lot of interesting insights into the mind of the average non-political person, some perspectives from people on different levels of education/age/debt, and a couple of mind-blowing takes.

Leandra Westbrook in particular sounds like she has some deep-seated shame and/or pride of the fact that she has student loan debt.

Leandra certainly has an interesting perspective. Wonder why she would feel the need to publicly turn down $20k and be against the new payment plan that caps her payments at 5% of discretionary income?

Oh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/30/student-loan-cancellation-borrowers/

Huh. It's especially interesting because this isn't the first time a news outlet has interviewed Leanna Westbrook about her take on student debt.

April 7th, Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/student-loan-borrowers-rip-bidens-extension-its-very-unfair

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Student loan borrowers are speaking out against President Biden’s recent extension of a freeze on student debt payments, calling it a partisan and unfair move by the administration.

State University of New York in Albany graduate Matthew Noyes said that after finishing school in 2018, he paid off $27,000 worth of debt in just 11 months by making daily sacrifices like not eating out and even changing his work commute.

"I think it's very unfair and not just to me, but it's especially unfair to blue-collar workers, people who decided to go into the trades, people who chose to serve in the military so that they could have their college paid for," Noyes told FOX Business’ Lydia Hu. "I think it’s really unfair."

Frustration even extends to those still actively paying off their federal student loans, including Kent State University graduate Leandra Westbrook, who picked up a job as a food delivery driver and cut back on travel.

"I knew what I set myself up for when I was taking out these loans. It's something that I committed to," Westbrook explained. "You wouldn't sign a mortgage for a house and not pay your mortgage."

Even if they deliberately sought out political operatives from both parties for a balanced ideological spread (which they appear to have done), it's still interesting that they got the same exact person.

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