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cowboy beepboop posted:it's because in most places the bus is strictly worse than a car. poor frequencies mean you have to learn a timetable, it's stuck in the same traffic as all the other cars and it stops all the time so it's slower. oh and most bus shelters are miserable places to wait for a bus. this isn't really true for buses in the city .. they all have the schedules linked to google/apple so you know when the next one is coming, your phone tells you which bus to take and which stop to get out or transfer, it's more comfortable to travel in a bus whether there's traffic or not, and when you factor in not having to park or walk to the parking spot you come ahead on time for sure. just my 0.2 miles
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# ? Aug 31, 2022 00:33 |
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It's at least somewhat objectively more comfortable to travel in a car if just because of the contoured, plush seat and the control over your immediate surroundings (e.g., air conditioning, stereo, personal space). You also have (the illusion of) control, so I can see why people would be put off by a bus, where you have to just sit there and deal with the effects of traffic (stop and go) while probably being less comfortable than in your car and typically taking longer, sometimes much longer, to get to your destination, which may not even be near where you get off the bus.
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# ? Aug 31, 2022 01:00 |
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yeah but I can't post while I drive or, well, I shouldn't
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some plague rats posted:This is an insane approach to public works! Over here we have massive trees lining roads everywhere and power poles are solid concrete and sunk into the ground. I've been called to a bunch of car/pole impacts and every time the car loses, badly. having the poles break away is a bigger hazard! You're dropping live wires onto the loving street!! jesus christ! oh yeah tree lined roads we used to have those. They were actually nice to travel - in a car, a bike or walk. a big oak canopy shading the road. but cars got bigger, faster and more of them so the trees had to go and now it it's scorching sun for everyone (except cars, who have sun visors and climate control) and don't worry about live wires, rubber is a great insulator and nothing is out there that matters except cars anyway. I took doggo for a walk through a neighborhood with a 25mph limit. Most things are on flimsy sheet metal mountings so i didn't bother. first off, we've got our radar gun so you can oh look, it's sheer bolts! next we've got the light pole, because a sodium halide lamp shining in your bedroom window all night long is a small price to pay on the off chance a car needs to drive in the neighborhood without bothering to turn on their lights oh look, the fake plastic skin is hiding a sheer point where it touches the ground, shocker. sorry i didn't get a better picture, doggo spotted someone and really wanted to go say hi what's that pup? You found a lamp post that's a solid steel pole driven directly into a concrete footer with no sheer point? yup, because it's in the park walkway well away from cars. park has biiiiigggg old oak trees, hundreds of years old. hundreds of feet from the road too! weird how they just stopped growing anywhere near where a road would be built centuries later.
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As a long-time lurker and admitted Grand N00bian to the anti-car movement, this thread has been both funny and informative. I’m not exactly sure why FYAD has been making fun of you guys so much recently
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there are plenty of places with nice big trees right on the road in the US...but yeah in the past couple decades more and more get hosed up as they widen things.
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Harik posted:oh yeah tree lined roads we used to have those. They were actually nice to travel - in a car, a bike or walk. a big oak canopy shading the road. but cars got bigger, faster and more of them so the trees had to go and now it it's scorching sun for everyone (except cars, who have sun visors and climate control) lol go drat lego set looking rear end suburb
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# ? Aug 31, 2022 01:28 |
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i think it's way more comfortable to be on the bus because i don't have to drive or think about driving. i can read, or post, or just zone out.
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Wizard Master posted:As a long-time lurker and admitted Grand N00bian to the anti-car movement, this thread has been both funny and informative. I’m not exactly sure why FYAD has been making fun of you guys so much recently FYAD has terminal car brain.
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Ham Equity posted:FYAD has terminal car brain. Wasn't Barnacle Jim (RIP) a Big Bicycle Guy?
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some plague rats posted:lol go drat lego set looking rear end suburb it's awful and the houses are worse, the bland stucco-on-stick cowturds you see everywhere. the literal only upside is that it's somewhat close to the commuter rail.
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20 Blunts posted:there are plenty of places with nice big trees right on the road in the US...but yeah in the past couple decades more and more get hosed up as they widen things. On the rail trail that I commute to both of my jobs it has always felt at least 10 degrees cooler during the summer because of all the tree cover. I don't usually start sweating until I get off of it
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Wizard Master posted:As a long-time lurker and admitted Grand N00bian to the anti-car movement, this thread has been both funny and informative. I’m not exactly sure why FYAD has been making fun of you guys so much recently who cares they suck
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Wizard Master posted:As a long-time lurker and admitted Grand N00bian to the anti-car movement, this thread has been both funny and informative. I’m not exactly sure why FYAD has been making fun of you guys so much recently
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https://twitter.com/grescoe/status/1564612631922708494 I lived around a mile from my elementary and high schools, and it would have been a lovely ride, except the road connecting our house to the schools was one of those long, wide, suburban ones where everyone goes 45mph and nobody pays attention because they drive that stretch 50 times daily and are bored out of their minds
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# ? Aug 31, 2022 03:21 |
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[boomerishly] back in my day i used to walk 15 miles through the snow and woods to get to school, you kids have it so easy *woods have been paved into into a massive tract-house dystopia sprawl with unconnecting cul-de-sacs and an 8-lane highway with 50-mph arterial roads where everything is instant-child death hot lava with one misstep*
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Polo-Rican posted:https://twitter.com/grescoe/status/1564612631922708494 https://twitter.com/MickiMaynard/status/1564614521431400453 (not sure at all how that is supposed to be relevant to this comparison) mystes has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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if anyone hasnt seen it, the san francisco 1906 video is pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skILpcoNNuQ it was such a better city back then
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Xaris posted:if anyone hasnt seen it, the san francisco 1906 video is pretty cool i think the city burned down like 2 days after this was shot
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Smythe posted:i think the city burned down like 2 days after this was shot 4 days to be precise but ya
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Xaris posted:if anyone hasnt seen it, the san francisco 1906 video is pretty cool This looks cool on film but I imagine all the horses were making GBS threads in the road constantly and it was generally extremely foul
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Lib and let die posted:Wasn't Barnacle Jim (RIP) a Big Bicycle Guy? the big face guy actually
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TheSlutPit posted:This looks cool on film but I imagine all the horses were making GBS threads in the road constantly and it was generally extremely foul well i mean ny and sf smells like poo poo and piss and they dont even have horses anymore so well, cant really say things have improved much
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Magic Hate Ball posted:It's at least somewhat objectively more comfortable to travel in a car if just because of the contoured, plush seat and the control over your immediate surroundings (e.g., air conditioning, stereo, personal space). You also have (the illusion of) control, so I can see why people would be put off by a bus, where you have to just sit there and deal with the effects of traffic (stop and go) while probably being less comfortable than in your car and typically taking longer, sometimes much longer, to get to your destination, which may not even be near where you get off the bus. When London Transport (as it then was) was designing the classic London Bus - the Routemaster - in the early 1950s they explicitly intended it to have many of the features of a contemporary car for exactly this reason. So it had plush seats with part moquette/part leather coverings, very effective heating and ventilation, and great effort was put into the choice of interior colours and the interior lighting - muted, warm-tone colours that not only hid dirt and tobacco smoke but gave the cabin a welcoming and upmarket appearance. Same with the lighting; the lamps were carefully placed, and the lampshades carefully designed, to make sure the interior was well lit without being harsh. They employed interior designers to work on things like the handrails, the lino floor tiles and the Push to Stop bell buttons to give them the same level of style and 'finish' as a car interior. Then the Routemaster had aircraft-style unitary construction (so it was very light for a double-decker bus) and independent suspension, so it had a very smooth and absorbent ride, huge effort was put into isolating the engine vibration from the cabin and it had a fully automatic transmission so it wouldn't jerk and jolt the passengers. Basically it was designed to be a giant communal car, with the principle that buses in London were for everyone and, equally, even if you couldn't afford to get on the car ownership boom that was gathering pace at the time, that didn't mean that your bus couldn't be comfortable, high-tech or designed with a bit of care and style. Contrast that with most city buses today, which are seemingly specced with the view that you only take the bus because something's gone wrong in your life and you're not trustworthy or deserving of nice things. They're also usually designed down to a price and not up to an ideal, so you have thin, hard seats trimmed in nasty primary-colour fabric, hard plastic floors, bare metal rails and surfaces, harsh fluorescent lighting and the bus usually has rock-hard suspension and a screaming high-speed engine under the floor that rattles the windows.
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Another car free day, checked out a new pedestrian and cycling bridge that just opened (which is awesome but I don't actually ride over it for my commute). Something about my velomobile really does short-circuit carbrain, because I get almost universal positive reactions from drivers when I'm in it vs. when I'm on a normal bicycle where cars either pretend to not see me or intentionally try to run me over for sport. I don't know if they think I'm disabled, or if they think it's actually a car of some kind.
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actually nvm
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Blackhawk posted:Something about my velomobile really does short-circuit carbrain, because I get almost universal positive reactions from drivers when I'm in it Maybe it's because people are probably hesitant to interrupt a clown's funeral
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BalloonFish posted:Contrast that with most city buses today, which are seemingly specced with the view that you only take the bus because something's gone wrong in your life and you're not trustworthy or deserving of nice things. They're also usually designed down to a price and not up to an ideal, so you have thin, hard seats trimmed in nasty primary-colour fabric, hard plastic floors, bare metal rails and surfaces, harsh fluorescent lighting and the bus usually has rock-hard suspension and a screaming high-speed engine under the floor that rattles the windows. like it sucks but that's what happens when your society is as beyond alienated, spiritually sick, and deranged as america. liz bruenig is right. edit: no excuse about suspension or noise though. although i cant say i notice busses having bad suspension. Xaris has issued a correction as of 10:17 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:It's at least somewhat objectively more comfortable to travel in a car if just because of the contoured, plush seat and the control over your immediate surroundings (e.g., air conditioning, stereo, personal space). You also have (the illusion of) control, so I can see why people would be put off by a bus, where you have to just sit there and deal with the effects of traffic (stop and go) while probably being less comfortable than in your car and typically taking longer, sometimes much longer, to get to your destination, which may not even be near where you get off the bus. it's pros and cons, definitely, but it's much nicer for me (an I suspect most people) to give up control and let the bus driver 'take the wheel' .. Let them deal w traffic and shithead drivers, I'm posting w my pals in the meantime maybe I'm spoiled by the bus system in chicago which is prompt, thorough, and highly convenient.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:maybe I'm spoiled by the bus system in chicago which is prompt, thorough, and highly convenient. Any time I’ve ever visited Chicago I either flew in and got a Ventra card at the airport, or parked my car where I was staying and for a Ventra card. Way easier to just take transit than it is to drive there.
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some plague rats posted:Maybe it's because people are probably hesitant to interrupt a clown's funeral lmao
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Blackhawk posted:Another car free day, checked out a new pedestrian and cycling bridge that just opened (which is awesome but I don't actually ride over it for my commute).
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going out to ride my normal bicycle to the doctors today. i finally used my Specialized Pizza Rack for its ostensible purpose on over the weekend
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I'm so overdue for a good bike ride
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Any time I’ve ever visited Chicago I either flew in and got a Ventra card at the airport, or parked my car where I was staying and for a Ventra card. Way easier to just take transit than it is to drive there. last time I checked ventra card prices at the airport are a bit higher than getting one from another station or online CTA service was real spotty through the pandemic up until recently, think they managed to hire more bus drivers finally
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I'm so overdue for a good bike ride same maybe today! note: I do a bad bike ride (to work and back) every day
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Xaris posted:if anyone hasnt seen it, the san francisco 1906 video is pretty cool lol even back then cars were an absolute menace, weaving around like madmen to get just one length in front
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Harik posted:lol even back then cars were an absolute menace, weaving around like madmen to get just one length in front The "When the Cars Came" episode of The Dollop has a lot of good anecdotes from the introduction of cars. My favorite was that the introduction of police into intersections to direct traffic didn't do anything at first because there was no standardization of hand signals yet - so when the cop would stand there with his hand palm up trying to signal STOP to a driver they'd just think he was waving at them and wave back as they plowed on through past him lol
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Harik posted:lol even back then cars were an absolute menace, weaving around like madmen to get just one length in front If nothing else, if cars were limited to 20mph and had to weave around pedestrians, they would just be a lot less appealing as an option in cities and that itself would be hugely beneficial mystes has issued a correction as of 18:35 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I'm so overdue for a good bike ride I had a great one today! And yesterday infact
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