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the yeti posted:As someone who deals with data retention it seems kinda wild that in this situation you don’t immediately destroy what material you have since you have no immediate use for it anymore. hahahahahahahahha no almost all lawyers are terrible about this
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goatface posted:There are formal procedures to be used when things have been shared in error and should be memory holed. He did not. In a lot of professions you don't have to invoke formalities between peers. Everyone knows what you mean and everyone extends some leeway to each other to avoid unnecessary friction. Iirc Mark Bankston even said that he would've accepted a "please disregard" if Reynal hadn't been adversarial both personally and in the courtroom.
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Exactly, he could have previously been a reasonable human being and so relied on the common decency route, or he could have invoked the proper formal procedures that exist for transactions during hostile relations. He did neither.
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Antigravitas posted:In a lot of professions you don't have to invoke formalities between peers. Everyone knows what you mean and everyone extends some leeway to each other to avoid unnecessary friction. Iirc Mark Bankston even said that he would've accepted a "please disregard" if Reynal hadn't been adversarial both personally and in the courtroom. I don't think he thought that through when he said that. He should have gotten that material months ago, giving it back without a legal justification seems like malpractice.
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I think Mark probably considered 'not handing over evidence' to fall under the umbrella of being an adversarial dick.
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Aug 26, 2022 14:46
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The worst day of your legal career so far.
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Confusedslight posted:https://twitter.com/JohnMoritz18/status/1563158095731490818?s=20&t=evPVj6TqgCRdpbonh2X8Zg Personally, I would have thought 12 days later when your office's fuckup was publicized to the world would have been the worst day of your career, or the day after when you tried to undo some of the damages, and got verbally slapped by the judge who basically said "Maybe if you and your client weren't such fuckwits and actually complied with the court, you wouldn't be in this mess" in a court case that was, once again being streamed for the whole world to see. But what do I know, I'm not a lawyer.
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McMullet posted:“It was the worst day of my legal career,” said Andino Reynal, “I was surprised by it in court…and I immediately looked for a way to claw the information back.” I immediately [after changing my underwear and waiting a whole day]
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Are we getting more live broadcasts for the other jones trials?
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Confusedslight posted:https://twitter.com/JohnMoritz18/status/1563158095731490818?s=20&t=evPVj6TqgCRdpbonh2X8Zg For me, it was just Tuesday watching Alex Jones get cross-examined.
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Troubadour posted:I immediately [after changing my underwear and waiting a whole day] I hadn't actually read the article, I didn't realize that he is now trying to claim that he didn't learn about the leak until the day Mark brought it up in court. Reynar... knows that when he said he emailed Mark to please disregard the link 13 days prior, that it was being streamed and the video is available for the world to see on YouTube, right? Does he just have that compulsion to constantly lie?
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Randalor posted:I hadn't actually read the article, I didn't realize that he is now trying to claim that he didn't learn about the leak until the day Mark brought it up in court. Reynar... knows that when he said he emailed Mark to please disregard the link 13 days prior, that it was being streamed and the video is available for the world to see on YouTube, right? Does he just have that compulsion to constantly lie? Tbh he probably didn't realize what all was in it. He said please disregard, but I guarantee he still didn't actually look at what was sent.
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Confusedslight posted:https://twitter.com/JohnMoritz18/status/1563158095731490818?s=20&t=evPVj6TqgCRdpbonh2X8Zg
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it's honestly kind of amazing that lawyers get ten full days after making a fuckup that big in the first place to try and reverse it any other industry, you send that kind of sensitive info in an email as a fuckup, and that's it, the info is out, you're done ten fullll days and he still didn't get it back lollll
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Captain Invictus posted:I sincerely hope that's not the case for long Nah if he gets disbarred it still might be worse than the actual day of disbarment. That could be a massive relief and this seen as the critical moment.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:it's honestly kind of amazing that lawyers get ten full days after making a fuckup that big in the first place to try and reverse it lawyers have to send out absolutely massive amounts of data that had to get reviewed with a fine-tooth comb for stuff that shouldn't be disclosed on a routine basis for discovery and there's just always stuff that's gonna slip through; either everyone agrees on clawbacks or the cost like triples
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StrangersInTheNight posted:it's honestly kind of amazing that lawyers get ten full days after making a fuckup that big in the first place to try and reverse it 10 days kind of makes sense when yoy consider that 1) The fuckup usually wouldn't be "Here is 300 gigs of data, 290 gigs of which you should have had a year ago" and 2) Considering the legal implications, having 10 days to make sure that protected documents are properly identified and the judge has time to sign off on the rollback makes sense.
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evilweasel posted:lawyers have to send out absolutely massive amounts of data that had to get reviewed with a fine-tooth comb for stuff that shouldn't be disclosed on a routine basis for discovery and there's just always stuff that's gonna slip through; either everyone agrees on clawbacks or the cost like triples Also a lot (majority?) of the time, it's a 3rd party's data so there's a very heavy incentive to give protection if the lawyer fucks up. It's not like the lawyer is the one directly getting harmed, so if we just said, "lol you screwed up, go gently caress yourself" we wouldn't be hurting lawyers as much as hurting random clients.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Also a lot (majority?) of the time, it's a 3rd party's data so there's a very heavy incentive to give protection if the lawyer fucks up. It's not like the lawyer is the one directly getting harmed, so if we just said, "lol you screwed up, go gently caress yourself" we wouldn't be hurting lawyers as much as hurting random clients. yeah. lawyers are incentivized to not gently caress each other over - nobody wins in that game. that said, once you get into the situation where you're trying to gently caress them over, don't assume they won't return the favor!
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evilweasel posted:yeah. lawyers are incentivized to not gently caress each other over - nobody wins in that game. If a lawyer received a hard-drive data dump similar to what Bankston received, and their client found out (say, he was CCed on the notice of transmission) - and the client directed the lawyer to not delete anything, unless required to - is the lawyer still able to exercise that professional courtesy to delete the whole drive, or do the wishes of the client prevent him from doing that?
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Devor posted:If a lawyer received a hard-drive data dump similar to what Bankston received, and their client found out (say, he was CCed on the notice of transmission) - and the client directed the lawyer to not delete anything, unless required to - is the lawyer still able to exercise that professional courtesy to delete the whole drive, or do the wishes of the client prevent him from doing that? you've got to listen to your client. if someone makes a cock-up that's really going to turn the case you can't erase it as a courtesy. if someone makes a cock-up that's going to be embarrassing but not really significantly move the needle you have a hard conversation with them that they're allowed to make that decision, but it will wind up costing them a lot of money because it will make everything that happens in the case more expensive because you're going to be spending a lot of time and (their) money dealing with bullshit as a result. doing something like extending professional courtesies generally falls under litigation strategy which should get discussed with the client but isn't out of line to do without their approval evilweasel fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Aug 26, 2022 |
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B-Rock452 posted:I assume he meant CSAM. (child sex abuse material)
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Yeah it’s not exactly something you can Google
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teen witch posted:Yeah it’s not exactly something you can Google I mean You CAN You'll get on some lists, and you shouldn't But you CAN
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teen witch posted:Yeah it’s not exactly something you can Google not with that attitude
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what kind of coward doesn't good everything they see and every thought that passes through their empty little head?
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I'm 90 per cent sure googling CSAM won't bring up a whole bunch of CSAM. Part of the point of it is that it's not a term that offenders use. I'm still not going to try, though.
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Wouldnt the answer to such a thing be to google the phrase “csam definition acronym” or something to that effect?
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rotinaj posted:Wouldnt the answer to such a thing be to google the phrase “csam definition acronym” or something to that effect? "Confederate States of America Museum"
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Sooooo uhhhhhhhh how's the chili coming?
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chili snacking annihilated memory
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El Fideo posted:I'm 90 per cent sure googling CSAM won't bring up a whole bunch of CSAM. Part of the point of it is that it's not a term that offenders use. I googled it because I just wanted to be 100 percent sure of the acronym. It's not going to get you on any lists doing that. The main point is CSAM more accurately describes what those materials are IE abuse. The word porn is generally used to describe stuff that's legal. It's one of the reasons there was a pretty big push to change some wording with abuse cases when it comes to prosecuting. You don't see "choke" anymore since most people when they see the word "choke" it brings to mind choking on food. So now "strangle" is used since it's a more accurate description of an act against someone.
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MEIN RAVEN posted:Sooooo uhhhhhhhh how's the chili coming? I don't recall.
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would it surprise you to learn that last week your lawyer sent me a complete bowl of your chili?
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Who are you people and what is this thread about? The only thing I can remember is a large red man charging at me with a large vat of chili. Who is this Alex Jones fellow? He sounds smart, handsome and above all else, 100% truthful and trustworthy in everything he says.
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I hope that chili recipe wasn't deleted from the leaked files. We all have a right to the chili of forgetfulness recipe.
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Mr Jones, are you aware that I have your entire collection of chili recipes in my possession?
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