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A 2/2 for 1 with a relevant type would probably get play if the right aggro deck existed for it. But on pure stats, yeah, you need something costed way out of line with the usual cost and it would still probably need to be a cheap card, like a 4/4 for 2. A vanilla 10/10 for 6 wouldn't do it, for example.
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Aug 31, 2022 21:29
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:2/1 artifact for 0 I do not think artifact based combos need yet another piece
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Aug 31, 2022 21:32
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Tibalt posted:A 2/2 for 1 with a relevant type would probably get play if the right aggro deck existed for it. But on pure stats, yeah, you need something costed way out of line with the usual cost and it would still probably need to be a cheap card, like a 4/4 for 2. A vanilla 10/10 for 6 wouldn't do it, for example. Rakdos Cackler is bascially a 2/2 for 1 and was a staple in aggro decks for its time. (gently caress, that was 10 years ago.)
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Aug 31, 2022 22:19
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A playable vanilla creature is probably only going to exist in the 1-drop slot. Maybe 2-drop if it was like a 3/4 for GG or RR or something like that, but it's definitely going to be directly proportionate to its viability as an aggro creature
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Aug 31, 2022 22:26
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I played that big dinosaur when I got back into magic on Arena two years ago but that doesn't mean it was "playable" in this thread's usual meaning.
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Aug 31, 2022 22:37
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idk if they'd ever do it but a one drop 5/0 vanilla creature could be possible but you could make the argument it isn't really a one drop or really a vanilla creature
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Aug 31, 2022 22:45
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dragon enthusiast posted:idk if they'd ever do it but a one drop 5/0 vanilla creature could be possible Force of Savagry had the decency to trample.
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Aug 31, 2022 22:52
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I think for modern or legacy a 3/4 for 1 without a relevant tribal would be playable, or a 3/3 for 1 with a relevant tribe.
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Aug 31, 2022 22:55
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I think a 1 mana 20/20 might be acceptable but only if it's a goblin elf EDIT: sorry if that's a little conservative for y'all I only play standard
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Aug 31, 2022 22:57
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I wish I could show this conversation to 1995 teen me as I'm getting pinged by my penny sleeved Juzam and giving one of my opponent's monsters forest walk with my ernham just to get some slightly above rate vanilla beaters on the board.
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Aug 31, 2022 23:00
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Owlbear Camus posted:I wish I could show this conversation to 1995 teen me as I'm getting pinged by my penny sleeved Juzam and giving one of my opponent's monsters forest walk with my ernham just to get some slightly above rate vanilla beaters on the board. Just show them jewel thief (at COMMON) and watch their head explode. Or my favourite, Adanto Vanguard.
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Aug 31, 2022 23:02
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the Orb of Zot posted:I unironically wonder what statline a vanilla creature would need to be even worth considering in the slightest for constructed these days. You need to beat: 3/2 Flying for U. Or 3/3 Flying but it attacks each combat if able for R. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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Aug 31, 2022 23:03
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Simply Simon posted:I think a 1 mana 20/20 might be acceptable but only if it's a goblin elf Goblin Elf Zombie Wizard. Come on!
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Aug 31, 2022 23:04
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AlternateNu posted:Goblin Elf Zombie Wizard. Come on! Goblin Elf Zombie Wizard Vampire Angel Rogue. Someone draw the art for that please. e. actually wait I already know how to get this  looks like nine good magic cards to me
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Aug 31, 2022 23:06
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Going back to 1995 and showing them Questing Beast
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Aug 31, 2022 23:06
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Going back to 1995 and showing them Questing Beast
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Aug 31, 2022 23:10
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Yup here we go
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Aug 31, 2022 23:13
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Aphrodite posted:3/2 Flying for U. 8/8 Flying for UU
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Aug 31, 2022 23:16
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Leperflesh posted:Yup here we go CoCo-able Would
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Aug 31, 2022 23:17
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Leperflesh posted:Yup here we go You've basically recreated this: https://scryfall.com/card/clb/696/irregular-cohort
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Aug 31, 2022 23:18
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wait I made it better 
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Aug 31, 2022 23:23
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Aggressive enough Vanilla matters works. Let's go to Muraganda. (We're never going to Muraganda. Maybe it will show up in P:AWBO is as already conquered and compleated though. A vanilla with phyrexian mana costs is still vanilla, right?)
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Aug 31, 2022 23:37
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We know that for legacy you need to be ~5/5 for 2 in order to be playable. Oh and flying, as of MH2.
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Aug 31, 2022 23:44
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neaden posted:I think for modern or legacy a 3/4 for 1 without a relevant tribal would be playable, or a 3/3 for 1 with a relevant tribe. a 3/4 for 1 would utterly warp the format around it
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Sep 1, 2022 00:11
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Having been away from this game for so long, I am disgusted that there aren't Kird Bears, Kird Dingos, and Kird Raptors (Kird Bird represent) yet. My favorite 2/3 one drop has had many years to evolve, but the fucks down at the office are holding it back.
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Sep 1, 2022 00:28
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Tibalt posted:Do you think 4 mana 4/4 with Deathtouch, Vigilance, Haste would be enough to break them, or do you think explaining the planeswalker damage would be necessary? Entirely possible "4 mana 4/4 with no drawback" does it, honestly.
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Sep 1, 2022 00:46
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I had to read inspiring overseer a couple of times just to make sure I didn't skip a drawback. And I've been playing consistently since throne of eldraine. I think questing beast would drive players in 1995 to madness, eldritch-like
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Sep 1, 2022 01:04
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I'm seeing maddening Hex on mtgo, that's new, right? AFR: Commander, like CL2 didn't quite make it to mtgo?
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Sep 1, 2022 01:15
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I played back from unlimited-alliances or so then started buying packs again around Lorwyn / Alara and man I remember being so wowed by Wooly Thoctor. Sure Sprouting Thrinax was better, but c'mon, a 5/4 for 3 mana!
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Sep 1, 2022 01:20
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HootTheOwl posted:I'm seeing maddening Hex on mtgo, that's new, right? AFR: Commander, like CL2 didn't quite make it to mtgo? Yeah they brought it up to MTGO today along with Minsc and Boo and some other eternal relevant commander cards.
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Sep 1, 2022 01:24
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Kalli posted:I played back from unlimited-alliances or so then started buying packs again around Lorwyn / Alara and man I remember being so wowed by Wooly Thoctor. I came back around Guilds of Ravnica and I legitimately couldn't wrap my mind around Steel Leaf Champion. Still in my mind it doesn't feel right that you can get higher average power/toughness than converted mana cost without a downside.
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Sep 1, 2022 04:53
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What is the mana value of a Chalice of the Void? Is it equal to 2x the number of counters on it or is it zero?
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Sep 1, 2022 05:05
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:What is the mana value of a Chalice of the Void? Is it equal to 2x the number of counters on it or is it zero? How much mana you paid for it on the stack is the Mana Value. On the battlefield it's always 0. ShaneB fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 05:08
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:What is the mana value of a Chalice of the Void? Is it equal to 2x the number of counters on it or is it zero? As a spell on the stack, it's 2*X. As a permanent on the battlefield, X counts as 0, so it's 0.
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Sep 1, 2022 05:09
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:What is the mana value of a Chalice of the Void? Is it equal to 2x the number of counters on it or is it zero? X always equals zero everywhere except the stack, so the mana value of Chalice (or any similar card with an X casting cost) on the battlefield or in your hand/graveyard/library is always zero. The only time it's not is when you cast it and it goes on the stack, in which case it's mana value will be twice whatever you chose for X.
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Sep 1, 2022 05:13
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Drewjitsu posted:Just show them jewel thief (at COMMON) and watch their head explode. Show a 1995 player Savannah Lions downshifted to common, and then every white 2/1 for W that's just strictly better than lions
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Sep 1, 2022 05:18
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ShaneB posted:How much mana you paid for it on the stack is the Mana Value. On the battlefield it's always 0. Ah... I guess I could saved mana on my March of Otherworldly Light. Though if I had known it was zero I might have punted and cast March for X=0 and get the spell countered because chalice was on 1 lol
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Sep 1, 2022 05:37
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Going back to 1995 and showing them Questing Beast For me it was vampire nighthawk.
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Mike N Eich posted:I came back around Guilds of Ravnica and I legitimately couldn't wrap my mind around Steel Leaf Champion. Still in my mind it doesn't feel right that you can get higher average power/toughness than converted mana cost without a downside. The downside is that it costs GGG. That’s not a joke.
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