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Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

nut posted:

https://twitter.com/boltzmannbooty/status/1564958136229924865?s=21&t=_ZlXgYHbPCEedE9AGvHEaQ

technically, an asset did it, but of course we'll never know who his handler was because We Need To Protect Our Heroes

# ? Aug 31, 2022 21:09

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# ? May 24, 2024 03:09

Cached Money: Apr 11, 2010

Turtle Watch posted:

Ericsson sucks, they stole phone technology and use it like a band of monkeys playing with matches.

http://everything.sucks/Ericsson

you say it like you think i don't know this, point was that sweden does not have a need to import anything for telecom infrastructure

# ? Aug 31, 2022 21:10

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

Without having graduated high school, he was admitted to the University of Virginia, where he studied engineering for a year. Despite maintaining a 3.4 grade point average with minimal effort, he dropped out because of his disinclination for slide rules and mechanical drawing.[10][11] Belying his dearth of formal education, he secured a position as a test engineer with Rocketdyne in Los Angeles; in this capacity, he worked on the SM-64 Navaho supersonic cruise missile. In June 1956, he enlisted in the United States Air Force as an electronics specialist, serving for 18 months (including stints at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Edwards Air Force Base's Rocket Engine Test Facility) before being discharged in 1958. During his service, he secured an amateur radio license and a general radiotelephone operator license.

this is why boomers think you can just show up at a company, shake the boss's hand, say you want a job and get one

# ? Aug 31, 2022 21:34

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

lol I just realized Allen Dulles was on the Warren Commission

lmao forever, like an eternal flame

# ? Aug 31, 2022 22:59

A Bakers Cousin: Dec 18, 2003; by vyelkin

my bony fealty posted:

"Western int agencies sourcing underage brides for ISIS" has a good ring to it. classic stuff.

When they find out Baghdadi was actually from Phoenix

# ? Aug 31, 2022 22:59

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Al Phoenixi

# ? Aug 31, 2022 23:01

The Saucer Hovers: May 16, 2005

ضوء العنقاء

# ? Aug 31, 2022 23:09

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Cached Money posted:

you say it like you think i don't know this, point was that sweden does not have a need to import anything for telecom infrastructure

Cool, I'm sure them not using Huawei had nothing to do with your local inbred meatball monopoly and was because China is dastardly.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 00:11

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

PROMIS and ECHELON already do what they claim to be afraid China is going to do :nallears:

# ? Sep 1, 2022 01:36

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

lol watching the Stone JFK film is a trip now. it's basically 95% confirmed.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 03:04

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

A Bakers Cousin posted:

When they find out Baghdadi was actually from Phoenix

His predecessor was a fictional guy played by an Egyptian actor according to the us military :newlol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/world/africa/18iht-iraq.4.6718200.html

quote:

Leader of Al Qaeda group in Iraq was fictional, U.S. military says
July 18, 2007
BAGHDAD � For more than a year, the leader of one the most notorious insurgent groups in Iraq was said to be a mysterious Iraqi named Abdullah Rashid al-Baghdadi.

As the titular head of the Islamic State in Iraq, an organization publicly backed by Al Qaeda, Baghdadi issued a steady stream of incendiary pronouncements. Despite claims by Iraqi officials that he had been killed in May, Baghdadi appeared to have persevered unscathed.

On Wednesday, a senior American military spokesman provided a new explanation for Baghdadi's ability to escape attack: He never existed.

Brigadier General Kevin Bergner, the chief American military spokesman, said the elusive Baghdadi was actually a fictional character whose audio-taped declarations were provided by an elderly actor named Abu Adullah al-Naima.

The ruse, Bergner said, was devised by Abu Ayub al-Masri, the Egyptian-born leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, who was trying to mask the dominant role that foreigners play in that insurgent organization.

The ploy was to invent Baghdadi, a figure whose very name establishes his Iraqi pedigree, install him as the head of a front organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and then arrange for Masri to swear allegiance to him. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, sought to reinforce the deception by referring to Baghdadi in his video and Internet statements.

The evidence for the American assertions, Bergner announced at a news briefing, was provided by an Iraqi insurgent: Khalid Abdul Fatah Daud Mahmud al-Mashadani, who was said to have been captured by American forces in Mosul on July 4.

According to Bergner, Mashadani is the most senior Iraqi operative in Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. He got his start in the Ansar al-Sunna insurgent group before joining Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia more than two years ago, and became the group's "media emir" for all of Iraq. Bergner said that Mashadani was also an intermediary between Masri in Iraq and bin Laden and Zawahiri, whom the Americans assert support and guide their Iraqi affiliate.

"Mashadani confirms that al-Masri and the foreign leaders with whom he surrounds himself, not Iraqis, made the operational decisions" for Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, Bergner said.

The struggle between the American military and Qaeda affiliate in Iraq is political as well as military. And one purpose of the briefing Wednesday seemed to be to rattle the 90 percent of the group's adherents who are believed to be Iraqi by suggesting that they are doing the bidding of foreigners.

An important element of the American strategy is to drive a wedge between Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, other insurgent groups and the Sunni population.

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, for its part, has engaged in its own form of psychological warfare. The Islamic State of Iraq recently issued two videos that were said to show an attack in Diyala Province on an American Bradley vehicle with a roadside bomb, as well as an assault on an Iraqi military checkpoint.

The recent American operation to clear western Baquba, the provincial capital of Diyala, of Qaeda fighters was dubbed Arrowhead Ripper. In a statement, the Islamic State of Iraq claimed that "the arrows have been returned to the enemy like boomerangs," according to Site Institute, which monitors international terrorist groups.

Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official and a Middle East expert, said that experts had long wondered whether Baghdadi actually existed. "There has been a question mark about this," he said.

Nonetheless, Riedel suggested that the disclosures made Wednesday might not be the final word on Baghdadi and the leaders of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. Even Mashadani's assertions, Riedel said, might be a cover story to protect a leader who does in fact exist.

"First, they say we have killed him," Riedel said, referring to the statements by some Iraqi government officials. "Then we heard him after his death and now they are saying he never existed. That suggests that our intelligence on Al Qaeda in Iraq is not what we want it to be."

American military spokesmen insist they have gotten to the truth on Baghdadi. Mashadani, they say, provided his account because he resented the role of foreign leaders in Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. They say he has not repudiated the organization.

While the American military says that senior Qaeda leaders in Pakistan provide guidance, general direction and support for Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, they did not provide any examples of a specific raid or operation that was ordered by Pakistan-based leaders of Al Qaeda.

An unclassified National Intelligence Estimate on terrorist threats to the United States homeland, which was made public in Washington on Tuesday, suggested that Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia draws support from Al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan but also has some autonomy. It described Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia as "an affiliate."

"We assess that Al Qaeda will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of Al Qaeda in Iraq, its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland."

In the latest violence in Iraq, a series of roadside bombs exploded early Wednesday in separate areas of east Baghdad, killing 11 people and wounding more than a dozen, the police said, according to The Associated Press. The U.S. military reported that three more American soldiers had died in action in the Iraqi capital.

then in 2009

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/weekinreview/31robertson.html

quote:

Terrorist or Mythic Symbol: A Tale of Iraqi Politics
May 30, 2009
The World

<strong>EXTRA! EXTRA!</strong> Baghdad’s newspaper readers recently got a glimpse of the man captured and imprisoned as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Is that him? Really?
EXTRA! EXTRA! Baghdad’s newspaper readers recently got a glimpse of the man captured and imprisoned as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Is that him? Really?Karim Kadim/Associated Press
BAGHDAD � Abu Omar al-Baghdadi was captured again several weeks ago. By now it�s old hat. Mr. Baghdadi is the leader of the most zealous group of jihadists fighting in Iraq, and he has been reported captured and killed several times before. As many times, he has also been declared not real.

Usually, whether a man is in custody is a fairly straightforward proposition: He is, or he is not. But even casual Iraqologists would find the notion of a straightforward proposition here amusingly na�ve, especially in a case as politically loaded as this one.

Politics here plays out in endless equivocations and manipulations that turn even hard facts — demographics, borders and crime statistics — into uncertainties. So the tale of Abu Omar is worth keeping in mind as the jockeying intensifies for the all-important national elections to be held next January.

Mr. Baghdadi has long been a symbolic figure, regardless of whether he exists.

For jihadists, he is the purist who fights under the banner of the Islamic State of Iraq, the would-be caliph of a rising Islamic empire. For the authorities, he is the snake�s head of the organization in Iraq most closely involved with Al Qaeda.

He has not appeared publicly, though, except by voice — in recordings of his florid lectures condemning the West, Israel, Iran and insufficiently zealous Sunnis. This has given him a mystique that has only made him more powerful in the eyes of jihadists, and has spared him the kind of public relations embarrassments that befell his now-dead forerunner, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. (Mr. Zarqawi first linked the jihad in Iraq with Al Qaeda, but was caught on film wearing New Balance sneakers and having amateurish difficulties with a machine gun.)

Mr. Baghdadi�s legendary reputation does raise the question as to whether he actually exists. The Americans said in 2007 that he did not, that an actor had been playing the role, and many Iraqis agree. Oddly, that did not change when the government announced that they had nabbed him in late April. At the same time, his usefulness as a symbol only grew, as different political factions projected onto the arrest their preconceived notions about their rivals.

The truth of the matter, meanwhile, remained as obscure as ever.

Iraqi officials gleefully described the arrest as more significant than the capture of Saddam Hussein. They identified the arrested man as Ahmed Abd Ahmed Khamis al-Majmaie, and said he was the one known as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.

At least some officials did. The minister of national security, in a newspaper interview, gave a different name and biographical account of the man in custody. And puzzled Iraqi police officials in a neighboring province said his picture did not match the Abu Omar al-Baghdadi they had been tracking.

Then, in mid-May, the government released a videotape in which an unimposing man with a closely shaved beard confessed to being Mr. Baghdadi and expressed regret for hurting the Iraqi people. Even to those convinced that this was him, the statements seemed off key, coming from a man who claimed to be the destined defender of the Islamic faith.

In describing how the insurgency worked, the man also implicated targets that the Shiite-led government already considered adversaries or at least competitors; they included former regime loyalists, several Sunni countries in the region and the main Sunni political party. For skeptics, it was all a little too convenient.

Sunni politicians even said they know who the man is: a bad guy involved the insurgency, but not somebody who has ever been looked upon as Abu Omar. They called the episode a face-saving distraction by a government dealing with a spate of new attacks and failures in combating widespread corruption, as well as another step in a campaign to discredit and dismantle the Sunni political establishment.

The Americans here, for the most part, have played it safe.

�It�s not really what he calls himself,� Maj. Gen. David Perkins, the chief military spokesman here, told reporters. �It is really, at the end of the day, what role did he play.� That is still being determined, he added, and he was careful not to dismiss the government�s claims out of hand. �We have nothing that would contradict the intelligence they have so far,� he said.

The Islamic State itself, meanwhile, has released two recordings of a man who claims to be the real Mr. Baghdadi and mocks the government reports that he is under arrest. The voice is very similar to the one on earlier recordings.

Nibras Kazimi, a visiting scholar at the Hudson Institute who has been following the case on his blog, Talisman Gate, says the Iraqi government has only bolstered the jihadists� morale by trumpeting the capture and mishandling the public relations.

The jihadists, he wrote in an e-mail message, �have a new sense of their importance and, in their eyes, the government�s fumbling of this news reeks of weakness. �

Furthermore, Mr. Kazimi wrote, the Americans are dangerously misreading the situation if they discount Mr. Baghdadi�s importance by thinking of him as a mere media stunt or a tactical feint by the jihadists. Mr. Baghdadi�s significance, he wrote, is that �the jihadists have been pledging allegiance to a state and a man they can�t see, and they have willingly given up their lives for that.�

The case of Mr. Baghdadi is not the only example of how easy it is, here in Iraq, to become disoriented by various versions of reality: the thicket of accusations, the wild rumors, the often wildly divergent casualty figures reported after attacks. All of those can divert attention from other evidence, tragic and irrefutable and available daily, that in the streets of Baghdad, as Donald Rumsfeld once noted, real stuff does happen.

Meanwhile, there is a man in jail, whoever he is or claims to be. A few days ago, his wife showed up, begging a prominent lawyer to free her husband. According to the lawyer, she said she knows her husband well enough to know he is not the leader of the jihadist insurgency. The lawyer has not yet agreed to take the case, since the facts are still too unclear.

Haha

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:19

Laterite: Mar 14, 2007; It's Gutfest '89; Grimey Drawer

Subjunctive posted:

what is the DEA even going to do with 36.4 tons of cocaine?

by total coincidence about 12-18 months from now there will be a resurgent crack epidemic across low-income neighborhoods in chicago, los angeles, and nyc

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:21

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Laterite posted:

by total coincidence about 12-18 months from now there will be a resurgent crack epidemic across low-income neighborhoods in chicago, los angeles, and nyc

Was there any advantage to introducing crack compared to the existing state of affairs with alcohol among the working poor? I read People of the Abyss from time to time, and the patterns are similar, obviously because they grow out of the same material conditions. I understand the Temperance Movement and Prohibition maybe broke the hold alcohol had on the poor, at least to some degree. Could it be they needed to introduce a new vice without the social mitigation?

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:39

a few DRUNK BONERS: Mar 25, 2016

The advantage is it's illegal so they can throw you in jail or kill you

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:42

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

Amphetamine overdose leads to, often violent, psychosis OP.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:42

War and Pieces: Apr 24, 2022; DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

there's no legal venues for crack and no tax capture either

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:50

Laterite: Mar 14, 2007; It's Gutfest '89; Grimey Drawer

War and Pieces posted:

there's no legal venues for crack and no tax capture either

why would there need to be?

civil asset forfeiture and the private prison-industrial complex say hello

# ? Sep 1, 2022 04:57

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

mawarannahr posted:

His predecessor was a fictional guy played by an Egyptian actor according to the us military

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/world/africa/18iht-iraq.4.6718200.html

then in 2009

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/weekinreview/31robertson.html

Haha

EPSTINE

# ? Sep 1, 2022 05:13

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I�d have to read more about urban poverty on the eve of crack, but my understanding is that drinking among the urban poor wasn�t just materially different than among the other classes, but was policed differently. That being the case, and I don�t know where the powder/crack differentiation falls alongside middle class people having wine with dinner and the poor drinking cooking sherry on the street, but I don�t see what was lacking under those conditions in terms of a vice to enervate the poor. Was alcohol not doing the job any longer, or was it something else?

# ? Sep 1, 2022 05:13

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

Frosted Flake posted:

I�d have to read more about urban poverty on the eve of crack, but my understanding is that drinking among the urban poor wasn�t just materially different than among the other classes, but was policed differently. That being the case, and I don�t know where the powder/crack differentiation falls alongside middle class people having wine with dinner and the poor drinking cooking sherry on the street, but I don�t see what was lacking under those conditions in terms of a vice to enervate the poor. Was alcohol not doing the job any longer, or was it something else?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of substance abuse among those in poverty, and also the subtlety of how it is treated differently than it would be for those outside it.

This was an incredibly easy game to win.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 05:24

Cached Money: Apr 11, 2010

Turtle Watch posted:

Cool, I'm sure them not using Huawei had nothing to do with your local inbred meatball monopoly and was because China is dastardly.

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

# ? Sep 1, 2022 06:59

War and Pieces: Apr 24, 2022; DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Laterite posted:

why would there need to be?

civil asset forfeiture and the private prison-industrial complex say hello

it conceivable a few pennies from your Tito's Vodka sin tax might go to fund schools, obviously we can't be having any of that when the alternative guarantees that all the money goes to antisocial industries

# ? Sep 1, 2022 06:59

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

Cached Money posted:

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

dumbass

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:00

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Cached Money posted:

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

Bro the US isn't a dictatorship it's more of a oligarchy. But yeah I agree I ain't defending the usa

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:02

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

if the only thread you post in in cspam is the Epstein thread you�re probably the subject of some horrendous experiment and have a dog�s understanding of the world. this probably leaves you susceptible to believing any conspiracy theory that just feels true and sounds neat.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:12

Turtle Watch: Jul 30, 2010; by Games Forum

Cached Money posted:

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

Is the word genocide a joke to you scumbag?

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:12

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Cached Money posted:

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

Actually, UN special rapporteur Michele Bachelet has come out with her report on China and found no evidence of genocide

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:17

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Cached Money posted:

lol keep defending a genocidal dictatorship it's a great look

don't post here

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:30

BasicLich: Oct 22, 2020; A very smart little mouse!

We elected our genocidal leader so the blame falls on all of us, meanwhile, they didn't elect their genocidal leader so the blame falls on all of them. it's very simple, people.

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:33

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

the prc is good, actually hth tia etc

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:37

BasicLich: Oct 22, 2020; A very smart little mouse!

Riot Bimbo posted:

the prc is good, actually hth tia etc

they have more billionaires than any other country and yet they execute more billionaires than any other country. i can imagine no stronger economy

# ? Sep 1, 2022 07:44

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/StevenGWalker74/status/1565112871444529152

# ? Sep 1, 2022 08:12

Janitor Ludwich IV: Jan 25, 2019; by vyelkin

azathot it is basically your duty as an epstine poster to leak which mods are pedos

# ? Sep 1, 2022 11:21

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Janitor Ludwich IV posted:

azathot it is basically your duty as an epstine poster to leak which mods are pedos

i hacked the forums and found a list

# ? Sep 1, 2022 11:27

Janitor Ludwich IV: Jan 25, 2019; by vyelkin

Truga posted:

i hacked the forums and found a list

# ? Sep 1, 2022 11:36

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

mawarannahr posted:

if the only thread you post in in cspam is the Epstein thread you�re probably the subject of some horrendous experiment and have a dog�s understanding of the world. this probably leaves you susceptible to believing any conspiracy theory that just feels true and sounds neat.

hey man I used to post in other threads but this one is by far the least boring

# ? Sep 1, 2022 12:28