|
Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t find the conflation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationalism of Russia and its supported authoritarian client states (of which Assad is) with leftism or socialism compelling in anyway. who is doing this? where are you reading this? what the gently caress is wrong with you?
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 14:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 17:15 |
|
|
Rutibex posted:if the point of the training isn't to be as punishing as possible and force them to cheat than they are making murders wrong. im pretty sure you want the worst scum possible for your elite commandos I’ve heard anecdotally about guys drowning on their course. There’s punishing, and then there’s unnecessary .
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 14:56
|
|
|
Goast posted:who is doing this? they don't answer questions that would necessarily shatter their worldview so I wouldn't bother
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 15:39
|
|
|
Rutibex posted:if the point of the training isn't to be as punishing as possible and force them to cheat than they are making murders wrong. im pretty sure you want the worst scum possible for your elite commandos Definitely don't do whatever the Dutch are doing. The three "tip of the spear" commando warfighters they sent to Indianapolis for training got in a fight with a random local dude and he summarily shot them all down.
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 16:24
|
|
|
Loucks posted:Definitely don't do whatever the Dutch are doing. The three "tip of the spear" commando warfighters they sent to Indianapolis for training got in a fight with a random local dude and he summarily shot them all down. lol Dutch operators can't handle the stressful wartime environment of walking down an average American city street.
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 16:45
|
|
|
love to chill on the street like a huge target after i get in bar fights with armed locals i am a very tactical warrior
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 16:49
|
|
|
The article doesn't specifically state what kind of hormones the SEALs are on. Dark Brandon is making our operators trans.
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 16:54
|
|
|
Retromancer posted:The article doesn't specifically state what kind of hormones the SEALs are on. Infinite Jest was a documentary
|
|
#
?
Aug 31, 2022 18:23
|
|
|
indigi posted:they don't answer questions that would necessarily shatter their worldview so I wouldn't bother no that’s quite incorrect. it’s mostly being tired. that combined with is it worth doing in this particular conversation. I mean I’m not going to suddenly think it’s okay that some of you think Assad is legitimate and your not going to suddenly think it’s fine the Kurds control those oil fields.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 01:29
|
|
|
"Legitimacy" doesn't matter. The fact is that we're still stealing Syrian oil. Declaring a state illegitimate, occupying their land, and stealing their resources is exactly what happened in Iraq & Afghanistan.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 02:33
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:no that’s quite incorrect. Im just so tired y’all. I tried to convince you drat tankies that having the largest and most evil reactionary empire on earth destabilize a country and prolong its civil war is a good thing, because, I an imperialist lickspittle, have declared its government “illegitimate “. I couldn’t even convince you morons by bizarrely claiming you all think Assad is good and leftist. Jokes on you though, anyone refuting my increasingly deranged statements can never change my mind since I am thicker than pig poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 02:33
|
|
|
my primary investment in Assad is that the "who must go" meme really makes me laugh, idc about him running Syria outside of one specific context: when my government trying to overthrow him. I think that is categorically bad, even if the current military operation appears to help the Kurds (which it only does accidentally, and only in a small region) I don't want the Kurds to keep being genocided by all their neighbors and think they should have autonomy either within another country or full national sovereignty. but I don't think letting them sell some oil to US-approved customers will meaningfully alter their material circumstances. furthermore, anyone allowing the US to have military bases on their land is bad, and I oppose that as a matter of course
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 02:39
|
|
|
The kurds really need to come to an agreement with the government of Syria instead of hoping the US doesn't gently caress them over as soon as its convenient e: yeah america bravely standing against peace and diplomacy once again COPE 27 has issued a correction as of 04:11 on Sep 1, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 03:45
|
|
|
The Kurds HAVE made agreements with the government. SAA troops deployed along the Turkish line of occupation is preventing Turkish attacks more than the Americans are. But as long as the Americans are occupying the region there's no possible resolution between the YPJ and the government.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:06
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:some of you think Assad is legitimate He’s the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, he’s supposed to be there!
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:07
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:He’s the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, he’s supposed to be there! a more interesting question to me is to compare Assadism to Putinism. I don’t find these types of states a thing we should say are “supposed to be.”
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:21
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t find these types of states a thing we should say are “supposed to be.” Well, we tried regime change and liberal idealism for 30 years, let’s try letting Syrians decide who governs Syria, and Russians Russia for the next 30.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:25
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:a more interesting question to me is to compare Assadism to Putinism. The question is supposed to be compared to what?
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:35
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:Well, we tried regime change and liberal idealism for 30 years, let’s try letting Syrians decide who governs Syria, and Russians Russia for the next 30. Wrong! The US will fix it! I am a leftist by the way.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:36
|
|
|
Compared to loving off, it's good to do regime change apparently
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:39
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:The question is supposed to be compared to what? I don’t have an answer. but thinking a Revolutionary Romanticism anchored to a cult of personality around the state leader is in any way desirable... that’s an awfully fashy look.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:41
|
|
|
Imagine blissfully going through life with the same opinions as the state department
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:43
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:that’s an awfully fashy look. Politics, as we all know, is about vibes and aesthetics and not material analysis. The Syrian Arab Republic, which plays an important role in the ongoing struggle over orienting the middle east around Shia or Sunni blocs, as represented by Iran and Saudi Arabia respectively, as well as providing an obstacle to the influence and prerogatives of the United States and Israel, has a fashy look and coincidentally should be suborned to US, Israeli and Saudi interests.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 04:47
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t have an answer. It sounds like you have an answer but you don’t want to say it. As far as the Syrian Civil War goes, it hasn’t a contest to see who had the more ideal form of government. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 05:35 on Sep 1, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 05:22
|
|
|
You dont support killing the foreign people we have been told to hate? Not a good look chief...
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 05:22
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t have an answer. who “should” give a poo poo what american leftists have to say about it? it’s not our area to control
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 07:00
|
|
|
evilpicard posted:Imagine blissfully going through life with the same opinions as the state department
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 07:04
|
|
|
If you give up on the possibility of removing the bad guys then you have to go through a big existential crisis. You have to admit that the whole undertaking and all your training and your buddy's lives were all for nothing. Despite all the best resources and toys and years of preparation you failed. The people who wasted their entire careers on poo poo like this just can't cope.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 07:32
|
|
|
this debate keeps getting rehashed since the very first pages of the Mideast thread: there is no alternative to Assad, anymore - on the other side of him all you have are Islamists that have no capacity or knowhow to run Syrian civil society and infrastructure, of what little there even exists, because all of the "moderates", if they ever existed at all, were consumed by the fires of extremism as stoked by the fanning of CIA funds
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 07:50
|
|
|
The alternative being argued for right now is that we have to keep the war going because Assad is a bad guy, and we can't let bad guys win. Since when?
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 08:01
|
|
|
he'll probably go like gaddafi at some point
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 08:03
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:he'll probably go like gaddafi at some point Dangerous words
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 08:10
|
|
|
genericnick posted:Dangerous words
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 08:34
|
|
|
Bar Ran Dun posted:a more interesting question to me is to compare Assadism to Putinism. gently caress you you arrogant oval office, who are you/the US to dictate what states are legitimate or not?
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 08:48
|
|
|
A lot of western leftism is just Matthew 7:3 applied to foreign relations "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 11:38
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:he'll probably go like gaddafi at some point yeah we tried that, it didn't go well
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 13:18
|
|
|
What form of Syrian government wouldn’t be overthrown by the US, Saudi and Israel? They could have perfected Communism and all we’d be hearing would be about the tyranny of Assad and the corruption of the Syrian Communist Party.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 13:19
|
|
|
Middle eastern leaders tend to die pretty abruptly I still think of Soleimani being whacked on Trump’s whim and Iran not being able to do jackshit about it
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 13:24
|
|
|
wasn't the whole point of overthrowing Assad to build a pipeline through Syria so that Europe can be beholden to Saudi Arabia instead of Russia? seems like a waste of effort now that europe is just gonna freeze to death
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 13:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 17:15 |
|
|
genericnick posted:Dangerous words The only problem is that we'll never know if the curse gets them.
|
|
#
?
Sep 1, 2022 13:36
|
|
