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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Samsung has finally unveiled their QD-OLED 21:9 monitor, now officially titled the Samsung Odyssey OLED G8: https://www.techpowerup.com/298421/samsung-electronics-unveils-odyssey-oled-g8-gaming-monitor-at-ifa-2022 lol wut Samsung why
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:A couple other news items: You don't understand, it's a 4K arm. You couldn't possibly use a 1080p arm with a 4K monitor.
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The Samsung QD-OLED TV is really tempting since it's down to about 2100$ for the 65'' model, but i'm already on an LG OLED that is about 2-3 years old and think it's too soon for the upgrade but it looks so nice...
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infraboy posted:The Samsung QD-OLED TV is really tempting since it's down to about 2100$ for the 65'' model, but i'm already on an LG OLED that is about 2-3 years old and think it's too soon for the upgrade but it looks so nice... Maybe wait for the new phosphorescent blue oled material to find its way into retail QD-OLED panels, probably in 2024's models. That might be better enough than the C9/CX to be worth paying a premium price for.
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shrike82 posted:and USB-C too hopefully with decent PD capabilities - it's annoying how often gaming monitor manufacturers halfass USB-C support (for laptops) Dell just needs to start throwing the KVM capabilities of their ultrawide Ultrasharps into the Alienware ultrawide line.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Maybe wait for the new phosphorescent blue oled material to find its way into retail QD-OLED panels, probably in 2024's models. That might be better enough than the C9/CX to be worth paying a premium price for. My b6 from around 2015-2016 actually had some burn in effect, I feel partially to blame though for not peeling the plastic on the back, watching news too much in vivid mode, and never using the pixel refresher. Its all screwy trying to display anything yellow or reddish.   Newer BX panel from 2 years ago seems better with pixel shift, I removed all the plastic this time and it doesnt get as hot as the older one. Also not really watching news on it but the logo dimming probably helps. Having experienced OLED its hard to go back to a cheapo TV. Afaik QD OLEDs dont have the polarizing filter so the panels dont have to be driven hard to generate brightness so i’m even less worried about burn in effects. The S95b is barely more money than the LG too, ill probably stay disciplined though and see what Samsung releases the 2nd version.
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TFT Central posted their review of the Asus PG42UQ: https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus-rog-swift-pg42uq-oled This is Asus' 42" 4K monitor using LG's latest 42" W-OLED panel. Unlike previous monitors that have repackaged a TV OLED into a monitor, this one actually has some interesting unique features. One of these is the "Uniform Brightness" mode that disables the ABL altogether. You get brightness topping off at around 200 nits, which is the best full-screen brightness we've seen from an LG OLED panel, I believe. (maybe the G2 gets there too?) This is no-doubt thanks to the huge heatsink attached to the back of the thing. Unfortunately, the calibration in both SDR and HDR seems not great. The built-in sRGB mode mostly suffers from a wonky gamma curve, which can be corrected by doing your own calibration or downloading an icc profile. The HDR mode suffers from... a lot of things. The EOTF curve seems too dark across the brightness range, color temperature is all over the place across the different modes, and color accuracy isn't great either. The HDR Cinema mode seems pretty usable on the new firmware though, thankfully. Overall it seems okay-ish? HDR peak brightness is a bit higher than the LG C2, the heatsink should help reduce the risk of burn-in, and the uniform brightness mode should make it better for everyday computer use. infraboy posted:My b6 from around 2015-2016 actually had some burn in effect, I feel partially to blame though for not peeling the plastic on the back, watching news too much in vivid mode, and never using the pixel refresher. Its all screwy trying to display anything yellow or reddish. QD-OLED works by using quantum dots to convert blue light to red and green, which is much more efficient than whatever LG does. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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infraboy posted:I feel partially to blame though for not peeling the plastic on the back  you loving monster
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codo27 posted:
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:and for some mystifying reason, the use of micro HDMI and mini DP instead of full-sized connectors. Seriously, what the hell. Am I remembering right that micro HDMI is a notoriously fragile connector, and they have a high failure rate in laptops? Does mini DP suffer similar issues? Admittedly, laptops tend to have things plugged/unplugged far more frequently than a desktop or monitor would, which I assume would put a lot more stress/wear on the connector, but still seems like a horrible choice.
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In my defense I didnt notice the back peel for a long time since it wasnt easily visible, peeled it off my next TV though. Peel all the plastic since you definitely dont want heat trapped, especially for OLEDs.
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Death On Toast posted:Am I remembering right that micro HDMI is a notoriously fragile connector, and they have a high failure rate in laptops? Does mini DP suffer similar issues? Admittedly, laptops tend to have things plugged/unplugged far more frequently than a desktop or monitor would, which I assume would put a lot more stress/wear on the connector, but still seems like a horrible choice. Mini DP has been kinda finicky/can have signal drop out if it gets knocked by accident on my dad's old Lenovo T540p but it took a couple of years of unplugging and plugging to make it that way. Need to get him a new cable to make sure it's not the laptop port. That laptop is really old by now.
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Any IPS die-hards who have tried a VA panel and been happy with it? I'm even open to (gasp) curved. I'm always tempted by the color & contrast but am worried about the viewing angles especially on a 32" that's so close to my face. Trying to replace my VG27A because the lack of a source button or macro is driving me loving insane, I have to switch between HDMI and DP multiple times a day because of my setup, and it's like 9 presses & moves with the lovely little joystick. Unfortunately a KVM doesn't help because it's two different formats in this case (I already have a KVM on the DP side)
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Rescue Toaster posted:Trying to replace my VG27A because the lack of a source button or macro is driving me loving insane, I have to switch between HDMI and DP multiple times a day because of my setup, and it's like 9 presses & moves with the lovely little joystick. Unfortunately a KVM doesn't help because it's two different formats in this case (I already have a KVM on the DP side) Have you tried ControlMyMonitor for switching the input?
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Some of the Samsung Odyssey VA monitors are good enough to be worth considering. They have downsides, like a ridiculous curve and extremely questionable QA for monitors made in current year, but they do have some of the best response times of any LCD and far better contrast than IPS if your head is in the right place. They might actually be just right for you, because the 1000R curve means that the ideal head position is 1 meter from the monitor. IDK if they have one button source switching, but Dr Video Games 0031 has one and can answer that I'm sure.
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I got a Neo G7 this week. It's more a three button source switch, but at least I don't have to navigate separate menus like on my old Dell.
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Rescue Toaster posted:Any IPS die-hards who have tried a VA panel and been happy with it? Do you have terrible posture and move around to various offset reclined positions throughout your day? VA looks like poo poo from there.
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Rescue Toaster posted:Any IPS die-hards who have tried a VA panel and been happy with it? I'm even open to (gasp) curved. I'm always tempted by the color & contrast but am worried about the viewing angles especially on a 32" that's so close to my face. My first three LCDs were TN displays, then I went to a quantum dot IPS with a very wide gamut, and now I'm on a Samsung "Neo QLED" (VA). The VA has the best overall picture quality of all the monitors I've used. The colors don't get quite as saturated as my IPS (when not clamped to sRGB), but the black levels are so much better that it's not even funny, even with local dimming turned off. And most of the time your color gamut is clamped anyway. The problem with VA panels is the response times, particularly in the rise times of near-black colors. This results in what people call "VA smear," where dark colors will smear across the screen when moving. Text can be a problem too. Samsung has solved this issue with their high-end VA panels, but nobody else has. Samsung's 240hz panels can have other problems though ("scanlines" and VRR backlight flickering are two big ones, though the latter was largely solved in their new 4K panels). And they can be quite expensive, so they're not easy to recommend. I have not been too bothered by the viewing angles on my Neo G7. Perhaps I'm used to it due to years of TN panels, but I can shift around in my seat and without noticing any real change in picture quality. The exception is for bright highlights on dark backgrounds, which is when the mini LED backlight can become apparent while viewing it off-axis. This wouldn't be a problem on a model without local dimming. I wouldn't recommend a VA unless you're willing to splash out on a Neo G7 or something. I previously called the Neo G7 the best LCD on the market despite its flaws, and after about six weeks of use, my opinion of it has gotten even better by a little. But it's hard to justify such a high price ($1100), and the cheaper 1440p samsung VAs don't have enough pros to outweigh the cons in my opinion. You're better off just getting a normal IPS if you just want something midrange. Oh, and yeah, input switching is a three-button affair. The OSD controls are four curved buttons in a circle with a round button in the middle. Push the left button to bring up the input menu, push up or down to switch to the other input (there are only three total inputs), then push the middle button to select the new input. It's reasonably fast. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Saukkis posted:Have you tried ControlMyMonitor for switching the input? I'm on linux but the command line ddcutils can't seem to find any controllable capabilities from the ASUS, even though they detect it properly. Might not be supported I guess. K8.0 posted:Some of the Samsung Odyssey VA monitors are good enough to be worth considering. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I wouldn't recommend a VA unless you're willing to splash out on a Neo G7 or something. Thanks! This basically confirms where I was leaning... The super high end samsung VAs might work but if I want to stay in the $400-600 range max, better to stick with IPS for now. I was using IPS from the first days of the Dell 2000FP (which cost about as much then as the Samsungs do now), and frankly I don't know if I've ever seen an IPS that had that uniform of a backlight & viewing angles since then. It just wasn't very bright.
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I ordered an Aorus FI32U from Amazon warehouse as "acceptable" condition for just over 500$. Worst comes to worst if there is anything wrong with the screen I can return is relatively hassle free. I've generally had zero issues getting things from Amazon warehouse though so i'm pretty confident. https://www.amazon.com/AORUS-Monito...cs%2C131&sr=1-1 I know the M32U is also basically the same panel but they are also about the same price. There really aren't many Flat-4k-IPS-32'' high refresh rate monitors to choose from surprisingly, there is an LG model that hovers around 1000$ and a really expensive Asus model. I've been using an LG VA 32'' 1440p 144hz monitor the last couple of years and while pretty nice for games I feel like the computer I've spent too much money on deserves a screen upgrade. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FLGR2PN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Rescue Toaster posted:I'm on linux but the command line ddcutils can't seem to find any controllable capabilities from the ASUS, even though they detect it properly. Might not be supported I guess. I tested ControlMyMonitor on my VG27A and it managed to switch the input. So should be possible if ddcutils starts supporting it at some point. VCP code 60 is for input select with possible values 0, 15, 17, 18.
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Saukkis posted:I tested ControlMyMonitor on my VG27A and it managed to switch the input. So should be possible if ddcutils starts supporting it at some point. VCP code 60 is for input select with possible values 0, 15, 17, 18. Hot drat, I can read & set that VCP even though I can't query the capabilities! Now I can automate executing that command when I start & stop VMs that do GPU passthrough! This is awesome because I'm otherwise reasonably happy with my VG27A, you saved me a bunch of money. EDIT: Yep, got libvirt to run the input switching automatically when I start & stop VMs. Now I feel like an idiot for putting up with it manually for so long. Also the ddcutils in arch linux is way more up to date (not surprising) and works fine with the VG27A, it's the debian/ubuntil one that's old. Rescue Toaster fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I'm having a weird issue with my Odyssey Neo G7 that I wonder if anyone has any insight on. While using HDMI 2.1, my resolution and refresh rate options become extremely limited. This is all I get: I figured out how to fix it. In the nvidia control panel, make sure your scaling is set to happen on your display and not the GPU. When set to GPU scaling, almost all of your resolution and refresh rate options go away. I remember setting it to GPU scaling so I could try to get integer scaling to work, but the nvidia control panel refuses to expose that option, probably because it won't recognize the full range of resolution options. Nice drivers, nvidia. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Not that it matters at this point since I already got the Neo Geo 7, but all that discussion about refresh rate reminded me that I wondered what the actual idea was behind going from 165 -> 240Hz, which I gather would be the Geo 8? Is that actually noticeable?
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The Joe Man posted:Speaking of which is there any danger in keeping the wrapping on the front until/if it starts coming off on it's own? Picture looks great and I've kept it on in case some idiot guest touches the screen before I can bat their hand away. Oh my gently caress peel the plastic off, the mental image is making my skin try to crawl off of my body
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tehinternet posted:Oh my gently caress peel the plastic off, the mental image is making my skin try to crawl off of my body
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Looks like Gigabyte is clearing out its inventory 48” FO48U 4K OLED Monitor/tv $800, $600 after mail in rebate https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824716003 E:typo Rinkles fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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48-inch.  The FO48U is kinda lovely, if I recall correctly. It has a really aggressive ABL and it is pretty dim overall.
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Generally I don’t think a TV screen size can ever be too big but 48’’ for a monitor on your desk is quite massive at normal sitting distances. I think an argument could be made for 42’’ though. I think that gigabyte model uses an older OLED panel and is quite susceptible to burn in as well, still a strong deal.
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I know the 'P' in the model means that it's a 'Professional' monitor for Dell. What does that actually mean? I'm trying to decide between a couple of their 32" 4k monitors. https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-32-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-p3223qe/apd/210-beqz/monitors-monitor-accessories The P3223QE (£470 after discount) Is it just the fact it comes with USB-C and has a few more ports? If so, I really don't care. Specs don't seem anything special.
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Sad Panda posted:I know the 'P' in the model means that it's a 'Professional' monitor for Dell. What does that actually mean? I'm trying to decide between a couple of their 32" 4k monitors. There's a lot of variation but the P series often have better/more adjustable stands and accessories like USB hubs built in, like you mentioned.
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They may also come with a better panel bin (less backlight bleed, ips glow, etc). Though Dell still seems to like to ship wide-gamut monitors without an sRGB mode, as seen in the RTINGS review of the P3223DE: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/p3223de (the 1440p version of the monitor linked above)
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The M32U is $610 at Newegg after a coupon code: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012042 And the M28U is $480 after the coupon code: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012040 Both are new all-time lows. high-refresh 4K is getting pretty affordable. I've been playing around with upscaling, and while doing basic resolution upscaling on my older 1080p and 1440p monitors always resulted in horrible, blurry images, doing it on my Neo G7 results in a much better image. A native-resolution display would still look better in games, but not that much. I think the higher pixel count just makes the upscaling work better. I wouldn't be surprised if a 1440p image looked nearly indistinguishable on a 27"/28" 4K display compared to a native-res display. With so many games supporting DLSS and FSR now, this is becoming more of a moot point, but there are still some games like Elden Ring where basic resolution upscaling is your only option (ER doesn't even have a resolution scale slider). I think this makes worrying about whether your GPU can drive 4K a lot less of a concern than I've been making it out to be. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Sep 3, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The M32U is $610 at Newegg after a coupon code: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012042 I own a bunch of Gigabyte hardware, and have to admit to finding the M28U kind of tempting, but it's kind of embarrassing how little effort they are putting into their English ad copy: Gigabyte posted:It's time Like, Google Translate level gibberish.
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Gigabyte G24F 2 for $130: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168240...2&source=region (edit: On Amazon, too.) 24" 1080p 180Hz. Word of mouth is that the panel in this is pretty good, but there haven't been any good reviews of this model to verify this. Still though, that's dirt cheap for a high-refresh 1080p IPS. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 5, 2022 |
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Costco started carrying the S95B TV, the 5 year warranty they add is kind of appealing but it apparently doesn’t cover burn-in. The QD OLED shouldnt have an problem but part of me feels like it hasnt been around long enough and I have yet to see one put through a screen stress test. I’ll probably get one towards the end of the month regardless, only thing really stopping me is an injury preventing me from lifting something even a little heavy for a few weeks.
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