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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:But anyway, one other thing I've noticed after updating is that Windows is just a bit less responsive. Chrome tabs take half a second longer to load when clicking on them. Youtube videos stutter when I mouse over them while they're playing. There's a whole lot of general unresponsiveness here and there—none of it a huge deal or anything, but it's still just noticeable enough to be annoying. Is anyone else seeing this? Is there some kind of logging happening behind the scenes slowing things down now that I'm in the beta channel or something? Being on Insider locks diagnostic data to Full. So yes there's more logging happening, and even on non-Insider full diagnostic data can cause a tiny amount of lag / stutter. However I'd guess that what you're seeing is above and beyond that level, and more likely something in the Insider build not getting along with something else on your system.
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Browsing the web just now when my screen suddenly goes gray. No response. GPU LEDs return to stock colors. Hard resets do nothing but trigger the ever-useless automatic repair. From cmd my secondary drive shows as C:, but main drive appears in diskpart. Whatever, gently caress this. Clean install it is. Keep important poo poo away from your boot drive, folks. e: after going through the best part of the windows install, after associating my account and completing all the privacy breach prompts, screen goes gray again and I seem to be stuck. Wonderful. codo27 fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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That sounds like there could be a hardware failure. Memory corruption or storage corruption, perhaps?Klyith posted:Being on Insider locks diagnostic data to Full. So yes there's more logging happening, and even on non-Insider full diagnostic data can cause a tiny amount of lag / stutter. If the logging is the same between beta and release preview channels, then it won't be that because I was on the preview channel before. I turned on fTPM in order to get into the beta channel, so I thought that could be the cause and tried updating my BIOS, which I hadn't done in 15 months. That didn't solve the problem though. Maybe I'll just disable fTPM again and get myself booted back down to the preview channel.
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Managed to get back to automatic repair (coming from windows install) and this time instead of restoring my backup from a week ago I set up as a new device. I'm in. Everything seems fine but I'm bracing for possible hardware failure. God whys it taking so drat long to download anything from nvidia E: was all good until I installed the graphics driver, then same behavior returned. Almost has to be the GPU doesn't it? I tried a secondary monitor over HDMI as well, rather than dp (and tried another dp port as well) Our power grid is loving third world and we had an unexplained outage yesterday. Are surge protectors even worth it? (Jumping to conclusions here) codo27 fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Aug 30, 2022 01:40
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Good Surge protectors generally do a good job against protecting against, well, surges. However, there are no standards on branding a product 'surge protector'. A Walmart 'Surge Protector' is about as good as fuckall. Also, insert some lecture here about spending good money on a PSU to mitigate this problem as well.
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codo27 posted:Our power grid is loving third world and we had an unexplained outage yesterday. Are surge protectors even worth it? (Jumping to conclusions here) If you have that kind of power grid, get an ups.
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Aug 30, 2022 11:03
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codo27 posted:Our power grid is loving third world and we had an unexplained outage yesterday. Are surge protectors even worth it? (Jumping to conclusions here) If you have a circuit breaker as opposed to a fuse box, see if your local electrician knows about whole-house surge protectors, for another added layer of safety.
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Ok I need a sanity check on on this because holy poo poo is it just me or does Windows 11 sometimes hang briefly doing the most basic things? Opening the Start menu and starting to type is a common one. Another is if I'm opening a program, just about any heavy duty-ish one, the disk usage will spike to 100% and the (therefore?) the rest of the system will become much less responsive. I have a 12700KF, NVME SSD and a 3080, how is any of this excusable?
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every couple days ill get a big hitch from ff14 that im pretty sure shouldnt be the fault of my gpu or cpu so if its a windows 11 error i'd be happy
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Pvt. Parts posted:Ok I need a sanity check on on this because holy poo poo is it just me or does Windows 11 sometimes hang briefly doing the most basic things? Opening the Start menu and starting to type is a common one. Another is if I'm opening a program, just about any heavy duty-ish one, the disk usage will spike to 100% and the (therefore?) the rest of the system will become much less responsive. I have a 12700KF, NVME SSD and a 3080, how is any of this excusable?
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Pvt. Parts posted:Ok I need a sanity check on on this because holy poo poo is it just me or does Windows 11 sometimes hang briefly doing the most basic things? Opening the Start menu and starting to type is a common one. Another is if I'm opening a program, just about any heavy duty-ish one, the disk usage will spike to 100% and the (therefore?) the rest of the system will become much less responsive. I have a 12700KF, NVME SSD and a 3080, how is any of this excusable? Do you also have have a HDD installed? If not, SSD's fucky.
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I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these "ssd broken" diagnoses.
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Klyith posted:I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these "ssd broken" diagnoses. quote:Another is if I'm opening a program, just about any heavy duty-ish one, the disk usage will spike to 100% and Seems like the most obvious case of abnormal behavior and there's little about a disk software-wise that might cause it. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Sep 1, 2022 |
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Sep 1, 2022 12:52
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So it's not normal for disk usage to spike to nearly max when loading something from it to RAM (such as is the case when opening an app)?
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I can't say that I open programs large enough to max out the SSD read bandwith with any common frequency...
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Keito posted:I can't say that I open programs large enough to max out the SSD read bandwith with any common frequency... i'm hoping one day i can find an ssd that'll keep pace with my collection of fork bombs
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A program is data on a disk, you have to read data from disk to run a program. Even a "small" program by install size may scan through a bunch of data on the drive when it runs (for example, an image viewer might scan pictures to make thumbnails). OTOH many programs load so fast that the disk activity graph isn't high-res enough to see the spike. Also, Windows caches HD data in memory. So if you quit your web browser and then open it again, you'll see near-zero disk activity. The whole thing is still in the RAM, it barely needs to glance at the drive. Windows has some very smart caching systems that try to keep the most-used stuff cached for fast response. The rest of the system slowing to a crawl is not normal, and could be indicative of hardware problems, with the drive or elsewhere. Or it could be an OS problem -- there are things like search indexing and defender that can eat lots of disk time. But making the call that it is a dying drive based on nothing more that "100% drive use" is bogus. (For one thing, with a SSD a slow partial death is pretty unlikely in the first place. They tend to die all at once. You can have poo poo that trashes performance, like bad firmware, but that's usually correctable.) So as an actual test of the drive, I'd: 1. get CrystalDiskInfo and CrystalDiskMark to look at your drive. The first will tell you drive health, and you can use the second to look at speed and see if it's unusually slow for your expected NVMe drive. 2. Try copying some large media files -- a 1+GB video if you have one, or a bunch of mp3s, whatever. Do they copy quickly, is system performance affected while that's happening? 3. Check event viewer, particularly if 2 has bad results. Separately from all that, always have backups.
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Klyith posted:I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these "ssd broken" diagnoses. Im an expert thats why. Also, SSDs don't hit %100 randomly, and when they do they are failing.
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Windows 11: Im an expert thats why
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Dodoman posted:Windows 11: Im an expert thats why the 10 thread already got titled from redeyes posting, he doesn't need 11 too
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Klyith posted:A program is data on a disk, you have to read data from disk to run a program. Even a "small" program by install size may scan through a bunch of data on the drive when it runs (for example, an image viewer might scan pictures to make thumbnails). Looks okay to me? Maybe I'm just overreacting. https://imgur.com/IIPeGLl
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Pvt. Parts posted:Looks okay to me? Maybe I'm just overreacting. https://imgur.com/IIPeGLl Without knowing what model of NVMe drive you have I can say if that's full performance, but that's pretty normal for a cheap or mid-range PCIe3 drive (or one that's a few generations old). Unlikely that anything is seriously wrong with it anyways.
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Klyith posted:Without knowing what model of NVMe drive you have I can say if that's full performance, but that's pretty normal for a cheap or mid-range PCIe3 drive (or one that's a few generations old). Unlikely that anything is seriously wrong with it anyways. It's a Team Group MP33 M.2 1TB. Seems about right from what I can see online? I guess I just don't understand how people's SSD can't be working hard when launching an app. Isn't that the main bottleneck most of the time? For example, launching Discord I typically get a moment of 100% disk usage as it loads. e: also tried your copying files test, seems to be in order. maxes out the drive but I was able to lauch Edge etc. in the meantime. and it completed in around 5-10 seconds? Serotoning fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:But anyway, one other thing I've noticed after updating is that Windows is just a bit less responsive. Chrome tabs take half a second longer to load when clicking on them. Youtube videos stutter when I mouse over them while they're playing. There's a whole lot of general unresponsiveness here and there—none of it a huge deal or anything, but it's still just noticeable enough to be annoying. Is anyone else seeing this? Is there some kind of logging happening behind the scenes slowing things down now that I'm in the beta channel or something? Okay, so I'm about 99% sure the problem is related to power management somehow. There's only system stuttering going on when my hardware is at near-idle. At a moderate load or more, there are no issues. I also noticed some regular stuttering in 4K youtube videos, which went away when I boost locked my GPU (which consumes way too much power to do). It also mostly, but not entirely, went away when I changed the windows power profile to performance. So yeah, there's some weird power management poo poo going on, and I haven't found a satisfactory solution yet that doesn't cause my GPU to constantly consume 130 - 150W. There may be some CPU power state related issues too, considering I'm getting stuttering in non-GPU-related areas such as webpage scrolling, even when boost locking the GPU. This wasn't an issue before switching to the beta channel. I could change back, but then the issue could just come back when the update goes public later this month. Sigh... Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Pvt. Parts posted:It's a Team Group MP33 M.2 1TB. Seems about right from what I can see online? That seems about right then, that's actually faster than reviewed performance of that model. So personally I would write off small problems like this to "windows 11 is still less than 1 year old". If your start menu isn't responsive the first thing to do is disable bing so your start menu isn't loading Pvt. Parts posted:I guess I just don't understand how people's SSD can't be working hard when launching an app. Isn't that the main bottleneck most of the time? For example, launching Discord I typically get a moment of 100% disk usage as it loads. As I mentioned, windows does a lot of caching in memory to avoid disk reads, dating back from the spinning rust era when loading from disk was terrible. If you have a PC with lots of ram, don't reboot or hibernate frequently, and use mostly the same subset of programs, you won't see much disk use when launching an app. It's already there.
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Klyith posted:So personally I would write off small problems like this to "windows 11 is still less than 1 year old". If your start menu isn't responsive the first thing to do is disable bing so your start menu isn't loading Kick rear end, thanks for the tip/link
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Okay, so I'm about 99% sure the problem is related to power management somehow. There's only system stuttering going on when my hardware is at near-idle. At a moderate load or more, there are no issues. I also noticed some regular stuttering in 4K youtube videos, which went away when I boost locked my GPU (which consumes way too much power to do). It also mostly, but not entirely, went away when I changed the windows power profile to performance. So yeah, there's some weird power management poo poo going on, and I haven't found a satisfactory solution yet that doesn't cause my GPU to constantly consume 130 - 150W. I guess I wouldn't be surprised by this. Since putting Windows 11 on my work laptop, putting the computer to sleep consumes roughly as much power as when it's on.
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Klyith posted:... As I recall, when this feature was new there were legions of people all over the internet asking how to turn it off. They saw it using RAM in the task manager, and just couldn't comprehend that this isn't a bad thing. Eventually, Windows just started reporting that memory as free. It was basically the Vista version of "how do I disable swap."
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Blue Footed Booby posted:As I recall, when this feature was new there were legions of people all over the internet asking how to turn it off. They saw it using RAM in the task manager, and just couldn't comprehend that this isn't a bad thing. Eventually, Windows just started reporting that memory as free. I remember poo poo like that and  Same guides told you to disable search indexing and hardware acceleration.
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I think early Vista the search indexer was borked and would never stop making your drives rattle like machine guns or something.
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Flipperwaldt posted:I think early Vista the search indexer was borked and would never stop making your drives rattle like machine guns or something. Mechanical drives were so terrible for the usage pattern of a normal desktop PC and we just never knew how bad it was until SSDs. Indexing thousands of little files scattered all over a mechanical hard drive was never going to be a good experience.
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Search indexing has always had the potential to get borked and be a problem, it definitely didn't stop in the vista days. It maybe got better over time, or else the increased core count over the years just made it less noticeable.VostokProgram posted:Mechanical drives were so terrible for the usage pattern of a normal desktop PC and we just never knew how bad it was until SSDs. Indexing thousands of little files scattered all over a mechanical hard drive was never going to be a good experience. An index database is what you want on spinning rust though. On SSDs you can search through raw content in real time -- I've been using grep on a few thousand text files recently and it completes in less than 1 second. The indexer made a HDD rattle with constant seeks while it was building the database, but if everything was working properly that would a) eventually be finished and b) pause whenever there was user activity. The problem was for whatever reason it often broke and didn't do either of those things. tl;dr turning off search indexer / checking the boxes to disable it on drives isn't totally crazy. I wouldn't tell people to do it if they weren't having problems though. At least not on recent OSes because I'm pretty sure type-to-find in start menu needs an index.
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Klyith posted:Search indexing has always had the potential to get borked and be a problem, it definitely didn't stop in the vista days. It maybe got better over time, or else the increased core count over the years just made it less noticeable. Meanwhile, Everything seems to have just hard-solved this problem...
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Meanwhile, Everything seems to have just hard-solved this problem... I think the windows search indexer also indexes file contents but everything only indexes file names.
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Flipperwaldt posted:I think early Vista the search indexer was borked and would never stop making your drives rattle like machine guns or something. This was still the case as of 10. Earlier this year I told someone to get an SSD because the laptop they'd bought a few years ago with an SSHD was completely unusable due to Windows maxing out the hard drive whenever it was on and getting absolutely nothing done. Like it'd just loving refuse to not brick up the hard drive whenever the computer was on but it'd never get anything useful done. Ultimately my diagnosis was simply "get an SSD" because I wasn't about to get involved in that poo poo. Ruflux fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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Starting today (after being out of town since last Sunday), I started seeing a /!\ on the Defender icon in the system tray. I investigated, and memory protection is not enabled. I tried to enable it, but evidently I've got a pile of drivers that would get blocked from loading if this setting were turned on. I'm aware that those programs that claim to keep your drivers up-to-date are not worth regularly running, but would something like that be useful in this case? If so, does anyone have a utility they'd recommend?
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hooah posted:Starting today (after being out of town since last Sunday), I started seeing a /!\ on the Defender icon in the system tray. I investigated, and memory protection is not enabled. I tried to enable it, but evidently I've got a pile of drivers that would get blocked from loading if this setting were turned on. I'm aware that those programs that claim to keep your drivers up-to-date are not worth regularly running, but would something like that be useful in this case? If so, does anyone have a utility they'd recommend? What are the drivers? Often it's the driver components of like one device showing up in the list as four or five different things. You can usually uninstall the drivers/software for that device, turn on memory protection, and then reinstall the software/drivers.
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Just bought a new PC and am working with a HDD (D:) + SSD (C:) combo for the first time. When I create new folders on the desktop, it's automatically for the SSD. Dumb question but how do I make them on the HDD / switch them to the HDD?
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WerthersWay posted:Just bought a new PC and am working with a HDD (D:) + SSD (C:) combo for the first time. Open your user folder (C:\Users\YourUserName\) and right click on the folders for Desktop, Downloads, Music, etc. In the Location tab you can change to a different folder on your D: drive. When you do this it'll ask if you want to move everything in the existing folder to the new location.
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