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Pia has fired the first shot in the Kebab Wars. May God have mercy on us all.
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SplitSoul posted:Pia has fired the first shot in the Kebab Wars. May God have mercy on us all.
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BigglesSWE posted:Indeed. Every time I’ve gone through JFK I’ve been stuck waiting through immigrations for hours, whereas at Newark I’m usually through in half an hour. Such is life. Only time I went through Newark, they held me for 3 hours in immigration, while at JFK I'm usually out in 30-45min. I wholly understand your perspective 
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Aug 31, 2022 17:21
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Makes sense. The kebab has already delivered a near death-blow to the traditional pølsemand, now it is set to destroy the last stronghold of Danish food culture. If they lose this battle, sausage eating will go extinct, and with it Danish culture. First they come for the kebab and then for the falafel. I guess roasted almonds will survive?
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Aug 31, 2022 17:59
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Makes sense. The kebab has already delivered a near death-blow to the traditional pølsemand, now it is set to destroy the last stronghold of Danish food culture. If they lose this battle, sausage eating will go extinct, and with it Danish culture. Not if we're still drunk on Carlsberg (Tuborg or Royal are acceptable) and Gammel Dansk! Server farms: I'm sure the politicians will either be able to point to big numbers during construction and setup, and/or point to solve dumb trickle down effects (despite these obviously not existing because working near a server is pointless). There's bound to be some good points in the report though.
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Aug 31, 2022 18:03
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Cardiac posted:I guess roasted almonds will survive?  BonHair posted:Not if we're still drunk on Carlsberg (Tuborg or Royal are acceptable) and Gammel Dansk!
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Aug 31, 2022 20:14
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I hope not: I will allow Arnbitter on Tysklandsodde if that's what you mean. Fyn isn't real.
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Aug 31, 2022 20:34
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BonHair posted:I will allow Arnbitter on Tysklandsodde if that's what you mean. Fyn isn't real.
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Aug 31, 2022 20:45
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https://twitter.com/robinzachari/status/1565269202193117186?s=21&t=6D-G7j3vLHTz_u1yEq2CaQ
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A Buttery Pastry posted:There are other beers too! Prove it! Harboe and DP don't count, and Limfjordsporter is a completely different thing.
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BonHair posted:Prove it! Harboe and DP don't count, and Limfjordsporter is a completely different thing.
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Sep 1, 2022 16:01
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BonHair posted:Prove it! Harboe and DP don't count, and Limfjordsporter is a completely different thing. Ale Nr. 16
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BonHair posted:Prove it! Harboe and DP don't count, and Limfjordsporter is a completely different thing. Reparationsbajer from that company I can’t remember the name of
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KozmoNaut posted:Ale Nr. 16 That's some hipster crap. And I thought Slots only existed at festivals?
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Hipster crap?! It's like the most small-town non-hipster brewery you can find. Odense Classic, then.
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BonHair posted:That's some hipster crap. And I thought Slots only existed at festivals?
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KozmoNaut posted:Ale Nr. 16 My favourite for some bespoke smørrebrød on a fair day outside.
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I'm not a huge reader of Swedish right wing media, but I do read DN. I'm not sure if I'm biased, but there's almost a daily trickle of columns now, especially the editorial, where they rail against M/KD/L for their embrace of, well, the darkest sides of populist conservatism. For example, https://www.dn.se/ledare/emma-hoen-bustos-det-gar-inte-att-blunda-for-radikaliseringen-av-m-och-kd/ https://www.dn.se/ledare/arvid-ahlund-kds-hjartland-bromma-och-djursholm/ https://www.dn.se/ledare/plotsligt-finns-inga-granser-for-sds-inflytande/ https://www.dn.se/kultur/malin-ullgren-det-ar-ett-slag-i-magen-att-nazianstrukna-sd-ser-ut-att-bli-nast-storst/ https://www.dn.se/kultur/fredrik-strage-ett-liberalt-parti-som-samarbetar-med-sd-maste-betraktas-som-en-sjalvmordssekt/ I don't remember papers like DN even saying anything remotely negative about any of the traditional borgerliga before an election before. This might very well be the canaries singing way too late in the face-eating leopard coal mine, but I'm a tad surprised to finally see parts of the "liberal" media class waking up and smelling the roses. Are the even more conservative papers like SvD also doing anything close to this, or are they chaining themselves to team Jimmie just like their overlords?
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lilljonas posted:I'm not a huge reader of Swedish right wing media, but I do read DN. I'm not sure if I'm biased, but there's almost a daily trickle of columns now, especially the editorial, where they rail against M/KD/L for their embrace of, well, the darkest sides of populist conservatism. For example, DN is right-wing? Well, I guess from a certain perspective everything right of Flamman is right-wing. The above have been going on for like the last 8 years or so. If DN got to choose, we would have a S&M ruling coalition for all time. Just remember the safeword
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Sweden as a whole is a very right wing country to me, that is socially progressive in some ways, and it self-identifies as a left-wing one.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Sweden as a whole is a very right wing country to me, that is socially progressive in some ways, and it self-identifies as a left-wing one. I feel this is true as well, it wasn't true in the past but it's been steadily getting worse since the 90s
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Cardiac posted:DN is right-wing? Well, I guess from a certain perspective everything right of Flamman is right-wing. Hello Cardiac, DN's official editorial position is "independent liberal", and liberalism in this country has historically always defined itself as opposed to social democracy. It is almost by definition right-wing.
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Sweden has excellent PR, and a sandpit of unfathomable depths. How you wish to interpret any of that is up to you. As for me, gotta hand it to Denmark, at least they’re up front. E: issuing correction on a post of mine, regarding country known as Denmark. You do not, under a- teen witch fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Sweden as a whole is a very right wing country to me, that is socially progressive in some ways, and it self-identifies as a left-wing one. I agree from a historical perspective. I.e. comparing the past sweden. However, imo there are extremely few current countries in the world, which could, even tentatively, be considered more leftwing than sweden. I think that’s even the case if you say ‘socially progressive’ elements dont really count as leftwing, in a strict materialist perspective.Though some leftist would argue it’s the defining feature of modern leftism is the socially progressive part, because of the the foundation for a inclusivity and therefore distribution, not me though
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I agree from a historical perspective. I.e. comparing the past sweden.
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TheFluff posted:Hello Cardiac, DN's official editorial position is "independent liberal", and liberalism in this country has historically always defined itself as opposed to social democracy. It is almost by definition right-wing. Lol no. That is ignoring like 100 years of political history. Revelation 2-13 posted:I agree from a historical perspective. I.e. comparing the past sweden. This pretty much, yeah
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Cardiac posted:Lol no. Cardiac and the mystery of the famously left-wing newspaper DN Jesus christ hide the trolling a bit more
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Cardiac posted:Lol no. Considering the last major issue the liberals and the social democrats were really on the same side of was the fight for universal suffrage in the 1910's, you're about 100 years out of date, yes. Possibly you're confusing C and Fp because C has been a social democrat coalition partner before. Fp on the other hand was at times the largest opposition party.
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lilljonas posted:Cardiac and the mystery of the famously left-wing newspaper DN DN is a social-liberal (ie the political middle) local newspaper for Stockholm that pretends to cover the whole of Sweden. It gets involved in politics mainly since Riksdagen is located there and the politicians read DN, which is the main part of DNs influence. In reality large parts of DN is identical with Sydsvenskan (foreign news as example) which is the same for other Bonnier newspapers as a cost-cutting feature. I tend to view the posters in this thread as minority posters when it comes to political views. Last figure for V among the male demographic between 30-45 was ~8-10%, which in comparison to S&M&SD is pitifully small.
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TheFluff posted:Considering the last major issue the liberals and the social democrats were really on the same side of was the fight for universal suffrage in the 1910's, you're about 100 years out of date, yes. Possibly you're confusing C and Fp because C has been a social democrat coalition partner before. Fp on the other hand was at times the largest opposition party. And the social democratic party is the same as 100 years ago?
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Cardiac posted:DN is a social-liberal (ie the political middle) local newspaper for Stockholm that pretends to cover the whole of Sweden. Social liberal and "frisinnigt liberala" newspapers like DN, Sydsvenskan and Göteborgsposten are borgerliga. They have always proposed borgerliga governments, and they have always been against Social democratic governments. If you live in a world where theses papers are left wing I don't even know what kind of political discussions are possible from such a baseline.
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Cardiac posted:I tend to view the posters in this thread as minority posters when it comes to political views. Thank you for letting us know that you think that 8-10% is pitifully small in comparison to 70-80%. You really have a special way with numbers and I'm happy that you keep subjecting us to it.
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The spectrum isn't left or right exclusively. Centrists also strongly oppose leftists. I don't know DN or much about Swedish politics generally, but is Cardiac not saying DN is centrist?
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Rust Martialis posted:The spectrum isn't left or right exclusively. Centrists also strongly oppose leftists. I don't know DN or much about Swedish politics generally, but is Cardiac not saying DN is centrist? DN does not have a history of being centrist though, though my post was specifically that they suddenly started to dress like centrists the last months.
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Rust Martialis posted:The spectrum isn't left or right exclusively. Centrists also strongly oppose leftists. I don't know DN or much about Swedish politics generally, but is Cardiac not saying DN is centrist? There hasn't ever really been a meaningful centrist faction in Swedish politics since the 1930's, though. Before that there was a liberal center that sometimes aligned with the social democrats (like on the question of universal suffrage, and on the freedom of association - in other words the right to unionize) and sometimes not. Once the social democrats started dominating elections though, and especially after WW2 - when the liberals (then called Folkpartiet) made themselves rather unpopular by opposing the social democrat pension reforms in the early 1950's - the right wing was more or less forced to just define itself as the antithesis to social democracy. There was that weird period around 1980 with a series of oddball centrist coalitions (Fälldin and Ullsten cabinets) but those fell apart very quickly precisely because there was no political center to base them on. In the 21st century, ideology is dead and the supposedly centrist liberals are functionally indistinguishable from any other neoliberal conservatives. Their base used to be a sort of highly intellectual upper class that I think genuinely believed that the conservatives were evil and the socialists stupid, and that you really could make politics all about individual free will, but that voter segment was never big and these days I don't know if it even exists. If it does it's probably more likely to be voting C these days. DN's editorials specifically have been very much right-wing for as long as I can remember. It might've been a bit more nuanced in the 1990's, maybe? My parents were and are leftist middle class intellectuals and used to subscribe to it because it was less conservative than SvD but not a tabloid beneath their dignity like Aftonbladet, but they cancelled their subscription around 2010 because they had gotten sick of how rabidly anti-leftist the editorials were. They actually went over to SvD instead, because they saw it as having better news reporting, but the editorials weren't really any worse. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 2, 2022 |
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TheFluff posted:There hasn't ever really been a meaningful centrist faction in Swedish politics since the 1930's, though.  
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V. Illych L. posted:to be clear, the norwegian left is also still in the main very much anti-nuclear energy - it's just that there's a lot of movement on the issue. in ~ten years i expect a formally pro-nuclear energy stance to be mostly universal, with objections coming from issues of localisation and cost rather than objections to the technology as such. Does Norway even need nuclear power, you have so much hydroelectric power over there anyways
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I'd be careful about using Wikipedia for that. Third Way-ism is mostly associated with Anthony Giddens and the interpertations of that set of ideas by the Blair government. It also ignores the economic and political circumstances of the 90's in Sweden. Internationally the collapse of Bretton Woods made expansive state managed welfare systems increasingly hard to maintain.
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Såg på svenska yles sidor, "Därför låter sossarna som ett högerparti" https://arenan.yle.fi/poddar/1-63260406 Och lol hur hon uttalar sosse. Nyländska mumindialekten.... Skick till närpes för språkvård. Jag tycker nu dom missar skogen för alla träd, fokuserar på de senaste åren, som om sossarnas högergång inte började på 90 talet eller före. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Sep 3, 2022 |
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