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i love the idea that barrel bombs are somehow more inhumane than regular bombs
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indigi posted:what is a barrel bomb, I thought bombs were either barrel-shaped or cone-shaped the phrase "barrel bomb" was popularized during the Syrian Civil War to describe instances where the Syrian planes (helicopters?) would drop barrels full of explosives, as bombs, presumably because the Syrians had run out of manufactured bombs and couldn't acquire more (or because they were dropping them from craft that were never intended to carry bombs) this is not really any different from... bombing, in the absolute traditional sense, but it just made the Assad "regime" seem scarier and more brutal
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Sep 3, 2022 05:59
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would you rather get blown up by this or this 
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gradenko_2000 posted:this is not really any different from... bombing, in the absolute traditional sense, but it just made the Assad "regime" seem scarier and more brutal things that are properly institutionalized are moral, things that are not properly institutionalized are immoral. institutionality is morality.
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Sep 3, 2022 06:17
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well, if Assad was dropping barrel bombs on civilians, I don't support that, that's bad, but if he was dropping them on troops why to gently caress would I care
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Sep 3, 2022 06:36
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Goast posted:would you rather get blown up by this that barrel isnt even red otoh pretty sure that bomb is a hass avocado
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Sep 3, 2022 06:42
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Barrel bomb is an appellation only to be used for IEDs dropped from helicopters in the Syria region. In the case of Philadelphia Police vs MOVE in 1985 that’s just a sparkling satchel charge
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Sep 3, 2022 06:51
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seems like a branding problem - call them kegs or something no one blinked when trump dropped a moab in afghanistan
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Sep 3, 2022 06:54
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The Oldest Man posted:things that are properly institutionalized are moral, things that are not properly institutionalized are immoral. institutionality is morality. https://twitter.com/chaostiktoks/status/1565857296722296832
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did he at least finish the beer before hitting the ground
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you have to in order to get your parachutist's badge
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Cuttlefush posted:that barrel isnt even red
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this looks very relaxing
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Sep 3, 2022 12:15
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Don’t join the Canadian Airborne https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvPEzvrbX8
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Sep 3, 2022 12:38
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gradenko_2000 posted:the phrase "barrel bomb" was popularized during the Syrian Civil War to describe instances where the Syrian planes (helicopters?) would drop barrels full of explosives, as bombs, presumably because the Syrians had run out of manufactured bombs and couldn't acquire more (or because they were dropping them from craft that were never intended to carry bombs) i think the theoretical issue with "barrel bombs" was that they are both highly destructive (you can pack a lot of explosives into a big barrel) and highly inaccurate (it's hard to aim precisely when you're just tossing a barrel out of a helicopter), leading to a ton of civilian deaths from indiscriminate bombing in dense cities in practice, I think they were being used because Assad had both air superiority and a lack of specialized close air support, and I'm not certain that any other form of bombing used under the same circumstances would have led to any fewer civilian deaths given the nature of the urban warfare in which barrel bombs were being used
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vyelkin posted:i think the theoretical issue with "barrel bombs" was that they are both highly destructive (you can pack a lot of explosives into a big barrel) and highly inaccurate (it's hard to aim precisely when you're just tossing a barrel out of a helicopter), leading to a ton of civilian deaths from indiscriminate bombing in dense cities Much like white phosporous, landmines, and cluster munitions, perhaps someone should do an international convention agreeing not to use them.
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Sep 3, 2022 15:25
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lobster shirt posted:this looks very relaxing
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Sep 3, 2022 15:43
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keg bombs would have been more of a party type of bomb and probably wouldnt have had such push back
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skooma512 posted:Barrel bomb is an appellation only to be used for IEDs dropped from helicopters in the Syria region. In the case of Philadelphia Police vs MOVE in 1985 that’s just a sparkling satchel charge shrike82 posted:seems like a branding problem - call them kegs or something in philly a keg bomb is an ied used in sports rioting.
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vyelkin posted:i think the theoretical issue with "barrel bombs" was that they are both highly destructive (you can pack a lot of explosives into a big barrel) and highly inaccurate (it's hard to aim precisely when you're just tossing a barrel out of a helicopter), leading to a ton of civilian deaths from indiscriminate bombing in dense cities naturally this both very different from and much worse than high precision bombing of civilian targets done completely on purpose skooma512 posted:Barrel bomb is an appellation only to be used for IEDs dropped from helicopters in the Syria region. In the case of Philadelphia Police vs MOVE in 1985 that’s just a sparkling satchel charge
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shrike82 posted:seems like a branding problem - call them kegs or something it won't stop them The media did this poo poo were Russia using thermobaric weapons in Ukraine. Pretended that no one else uses them and they were somehow worse than dying to normal explosives.
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Sep 4, 2022 02:01
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Sep 4, 2022 02:09
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Uh those are skipping bombs, NOT barrel bombs
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Sep 4, 2022 02:24
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Just get the Syrian Army Band to play this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wDpdPjf2aSE Legal
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Sep 4, 2022 02:29
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basically if a weapon was made in a factory by a defence contractor who's skimming off the top to line their own pockets that's legitimate and if it's made in any other way it's scary and you have to make up a catchy name like barrel bomb or ghost gun to make it clear that this is different from the legitimate ways to kill and maim people
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Sep 4, 2022 02:32
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It really did feel like all the barrel bomb talk dropped off completely after we bombed Mosul and Raqqa to death. A rare moment of self awareness from State Department thralls.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I don't give a gently caress what the warmongers in the military think. you should if you are thinking dialectically. I mean would you rather be surprised by it? indigi posted:what is a barrel bomb, I thought bombs were either barrel-shaped or cone-shaped the ones they were pushing out of helicopters at the beginning of the war in civilian areas. big nail bombs basically. So the simplified written on a phone version. I’m mostly not going to be specific and instead will be just generalizing the trends in the thinking. So I’m going to skip everything before WWI. Anyway opposition to war after WWI is mostly pacifism and isolationism. The organized groups in the US mostly, but not completely, tended to be religious. The same general groups that made up abolitionists, suffragists, Prohibitionists, a lot of the same people. Mostly Protestant but very diverse politically, religious socialists (before that spilt) to extreme conservatives. Anyway those groups end up having to confront their isolationism and pacifism during WWII. The big religious thinker during the war is Bonheoffer, who is a double agent and the moral backing for one of the serious plots to kill Hitler. His example, that the bad guys were the loving Nazis, and the horrors of the Holocaust pushes pacifism and isolationism from the mainstream outside of the most conservative groups and many of those most conservatives folks turn into Goldwater types. The Cold War starts kicking in, the motives states have traditionally had for war, the state’s interests formalizes into the thinking of Realism. This is half of the reason a state would still go to war under “Just War” theory now. But those folks who were pacifists and weren’t conservatives don’t disappear even though they aren’t pacifist/isolationists anymore. Then the Vietnam War happens. The people in that line of thinking that used to be pacifist but no longer was, was reacting to Vietnam and criticizing its ironies. they add the second criteria for a state going to war under Just War theory, the question is: Is this war moral? Vietnam becomes the immoral war exemplar. So the two parts: 1. National interest 2. Morality of the actions of the war The question of the morality is contextual to the dialogue of the time in the US. Anyway as way of thinking this really starts phasing in with Bush I and the first Gulf War. That war starts of checking the boxes but then becomes immoral after the highway of death. During the Clinton administration you see him attempt to wage war for moral reasons but be restrained to air power for lack of a national interest in the Bosnian crisis. Libya later under Obama has similar circumstances. All the Presidents except Trump after Bush 1 are looking at these two criteria. Anyway W with the second Iraq war fabricates a moral crisis of “WMDs and falsely linking Iraq to 9/11. That’s a good example to understand how this thinking is a failure. The realist component can fake the moral reasoning and Cheney/ Rumsfeld almost certainly did so intentionally. The moral reason for a war can also easily be restrained by realist thinking and is contextual to the morals of American society (and we are real shitheads ). So the system of thinking has returned to mostly functioning like realism especially under Republicans and especially the Neo-cons who resented having to depart from Realism in the first place. The Trumpist line is oddly enough the isolationist element of the conservative branch at the beginning that didn’t stop being isolationist. So what is to be done? We still are having immoral wars (eg. Iraq 2), moral wars that are in the national interest and are contextual moral (and you folks feel they are immoral) that’s still problematic, and potentially contextual moral military actions are restrained by realism. It’s hypocrisy. To complicate the situation further we opened Pandora’s box by weaponizing social media in the Arab spring. Which was then pointed back at us both internally by a US right wing that was becoming fascist and now is fascist and externally by foreign states and right wing groups coordinated by shitheads like Dugin. how this is thought about next will likely be answered politically by whoever wins the next or next two presidential elections. we could very easily end up with something worse.
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vyelkin posted:basically if a weapon was made in a factory by a defence contractor who's skimming off the top to line their own pockets that's legitimate and if it's made in any other way it's scary and you have to make up a catchy name like barrel bomb or ghost gun to make it clear that this is different from the legitimate ways to kill and maim people oh unless it's made in a factory by a defence contractor who's skimming off the top to line their own pockets while working for non-allied near peer I'm speaking of course of the awful scary inhumane thermobarics 
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vyelkin posted:basically if a weapon was made in a factory by a defence contractor who's skimming off the top to line their own pockets that's legitimate and if it's made in any other way it's scary and you have to make up a catchy name like barrel bomb or ghost gun to make it clear that this is different from the legitimate ways to kill and maim people broke: ghost gun woke: Khyber Pass copy
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another analysis about how a war with china would go with a focus on AUKUS. a few interesting things there about the numbers of bombers/missiles the US has left and ship building capacity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1RRw6kDNWk
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Renaissance Robot posted:oh unless it's made in a factory by a defence contractor who's skimming off the top to line their own pockets while working for non-allied near peer Bad: thermobaric Good: metal augmented charge Bad: improvised explosive device Good: field expedient demolition charge Bad: nail bomb Good: flechette antipersonnel round Bad: fire bomb Good: white phosphorous illumination shell
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Bar Ran Dun posted:
no it isnt you bloodthirsty imperialist
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The Oldest Man posted:Bad: nail bomb these are better
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420 Gank Mid posted:no it isnt you bloodthirsty imperialist for the people making the decisions it is. one doesn’t exist without sinning. to be is to have blood on ones hands. it’s still good to try to do the best one can even if one fails as a consequence of being.
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evilpicard posted:Uh those are skipping bombs, NOT barrel bombs I doubt it. The bomb is being loaded in along the length of the plane
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Bar Ran Dun posted:for the people making the decisions it is. I hope you stop sinning and stop having blood on your hands.
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Feral Integral posted:I doubt it. The bomb is being loaded in along the length of the plane
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Bar Ran Dun posted:for the people making the decisions it is. Who did their best here?
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the US somehow just accidently causing untold suffering over and over
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crepeface posted:the US somehow just accidently causing untold suffering over and over you don’t understand op, their intentions were pure. everyone fails sometimes
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