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CPL593H posted:The hilarious thing about this show is that all of the stuff I'm hearing about how lovely the titular character looks would have been a non-issue if Disney would have just hired makeup artists instead of using a bunch of non-union wage slaves. While I agree that spending 10,000 dollars to build a practical effect once is a lot more cost effective than spending 10,000 dollars per shot to render a digital equivalent, I'm wondering what sort of makeup techniques would allow 5'4 Tatiana Maslany to convincingly play a 6'7 musclebound Hulk without using any digital effects. Do they just go the Lou Ferrigno route and have the character played by a completely different actor half the time? The thing that usually separates Jen from Bruce is that she's the same person in both forms, so I imagine they wouldn't want to create an unnecessary disconnect by casting two different people in the role. I suppose they could also just have Maslany bulk up like the Chrises and rely on forced perspective tricks, but then they'd have to find a shooting schedule with a several-month gap in the middle to allow Maslany to gain/lose mass to shoot scenes where she plays the other version of the character.
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Robot Style posted:While I agree that spending 10,000 dollars to build a practical effect once is a lot more cost effective than spending 10,000 dollars per shot to render a digital equivalent, I'm wondering what sort of makeup techniques would allow 5'4 Tatiana Maslany to convincingly play a 6'7 musclebound Hulk without using any digital effects. Do they just go the Lou Ferrigno route and have the character played by a completely different actor half the time? The thing that usually separates Jen from Bruce is that she's the same person in both forms, so I imagine they wouldn't want to create an unnecessary disconnect by casting two different people in the role. According to IMDB in 2023 Tatiana Maslany is doing a TV series called "Invitation to a Bonfire" which presumably requires her to be regular Tatiana Maslany and not Hulk Maslany. So, figure she said "no" to any suggestion that she get super-bulked and then crash-diet to gain and lose weight/mass.
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Robot Style posted:While I agree that spending 10,000 dollars to build a practical effect once is a lot more cost effective than spending 10,000 dollars per shot to render a digital equivalent, I'm wondering what sort of makeup techniques would allow 5'4 Tatiana Maslany to convincingly play a 6'7 musclebound Hulk without using any digital effects. Do they just go the Lou Ferrigno route and have the character played by a completely different actor half the time? The thing that usually separates Jen from Bruce is that she's the same person in both forms, so I imagine they wouldn't want to create an unnecessary disconnect by casting two different people in the role. Do the Captain America 1 thing and digitally make Tatiana smaller after having her get yoked, lmao.
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Robot Style posted:While I agree that spending 10,000 dollars to build a practical effect once is a lot more cost effective than spending 10,000 dollars per shot to render a digital equivalent, I'm wondering what sort of makeup techniques would allow 5'4 Tatiana Maslany to convincingly play a 6'7 musclebound Hulk without using any digital effects. Do they just go the Lou Ferrigno route and have the character played by a completely different actor half the time? The thing that usually separates Jen from Bruce is that she's the same person in both forms, so I imagine they wouldn't want to create an unnecessary disconnect by casting two different people in the role. I didn't know the actor was over a foot shorter than the character, that still doesn't mean they couldn't use makeup for her face. This might not be as practical, but Peter Jackson used forced perspective all over LOTR to make normal sized people look tiny. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 3, 2022 |
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I'm not sure that would work. It would also be incongruent with the aesthetic of this show (it would be weird to have a make-up She Hulk interacting with a fully CG Hulk). Doing make up just for the face would look odd too I think, the Marvel stuff already struggles with real heads on top of CG bodies with some of the shots of Iron Man/Spider-Man in Infinity War etc. I've got to imagine that would be compounded a 1000 times by a character where there is not even a clean line of a supersuit to separate the live action and CGI elements. Forced perspective as well would be an immense challenge with how much they need to have She Hulk on screen and interacting with other characters, it's obviously incredibly restrictive in terms of camera movement etc. The fact that She Hulk doesn't look strictly real and is a bit cartoonish I think kind of works within the tone of the show. The character comes through which is the important thing. What is clear is that Marvel (and all the studios) need to be legislated against to stop them from loving over VFX but that is a separate albeit related issue.
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Karloff posted:I'm not sure that would work. It would also be incongruent with the aesthetic of this show (it would be weird to have a make-up She Hulk interacting with a fully CG Hulk). Doing make up just for the face would look odd too I think, the Marvel stuff already struggles with real heads on top of CG bodies with some of the shots of Iron Man/Spider-Man in Infinity War etc. I've got to imagine that would be compounded a 1000 times by a character where there is not even a clean line of a supersuit to separate the live action and CGI elements. Forced perspective as well would be an immense challenge with how much they need to have She Hulk on screen and interacting with other characters, it's obviously incredibly restrictive in terms of camera movement etc. Honestly I have no loving clue how they'd pull off the forced perspective thing, I was just thinking about the scale of the LOTR films. But I haven't seen them in ages and just now remembered that large parts of those movies don't show the Hobbits in comparison to the regular sized people. But also there's just the simple fact the the MCU franchise stuff is almost entirely devoid of the craft and passion involved in the making of Lord of the Rings. I'm not trying to compare the two franchises and don't really even like LOTR. The point I'm getting at is I find it hard to image anyone over at Disney caring enough to figure out the logistics of making the actor playing She-Hulk realistically appear huge without the use of CGI. That said, I totally get it's not very practical, I acknowledged it when I mentioned this.
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Upsidads posted:Mods, turn on post smoothing please lol if you don't already browse like this 
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josh04 posted:lol if you don't already browse like this If I’ve drank too much I do
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josh04 posted:lol if you don't already browse like this Finally a way to make my posting more tolerable
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josh04 posted:lol if you don't already browse like this No need, turned 40 this year and now my vision is headed in this direction 
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I swear the tv manufacturers are making it more difficult or outright impossible to turn off motion smoothing. I remember I tried to turn it off years ago on my dad's old tv and the option literally did not exist. I was able to turn it off on his current one after researching how to even get to the menu for it since it was under some weirdass name. My dad, of course, loves having it on and thinks it makes everything look better.
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Why didn't they just paint a lady green? I feel like that would've been cheaper/easier. It's not like the history of film has a billion examples of making somebody look larger than they are too.
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Almost Blue posted:Why didn't they just paint a lady green? I feel like that would've been cheaper/easier. It's not like the history of film has a billion examples of making somebody look larger than they are too. At this point it's way cheaper to pay a VFX sweatshop in another country than it is to hire a team of makeup and practical effects people.
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So this is fun. The actress who played the shape shifting Light Elf is not only a good friend of one of my good friends from high school, but officiated his wedding to his husband years ago (I didn’t know who she was at the time)! He posted about how excited he was for her on Facebook, and she commented how excited she was to have an MCU Wiki entry!
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Jose Oquendo posted:At this point it's way cheaper to pay a VFX sweatshop in another country than it is to hire a team of makeup and practical effects people. Also, this actually couldn't have worked. Tatiana Maslany is perfect as Jen Walters, but her physique wouldn't have worked in green as She Hulk. They also can't just Lou Ferrigno it, because She Hulk has to carry Maslany's voice and overall performance. EDIT: Someone also noted that Tatiana has another project that overlapped or immediately followed this, so she probably wouldn't have been interested in bulking up to shoot separate She Hulk scenes or to do a Captain America "bulk up, then CGI down" approach. The Modern Leper fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Sep 4, 2022 |
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Yeah, mocap and CGI is probably the only remotely practical way to do She-Hulk, her main gimmick is something that's easy to do in comics and animation but very tricky to pull off in live action. Almost as if live action has its downsides.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Searching she hulk in YouTube is a real poo poo show Lol. The Ben Shapiro one is too on the nose.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, mocap and CGI is probably the only remotely practical way to do She-Hulk, her main gimmick is something that's easy to do in comics and animation but very tricky to pull off in live action. Also, it would have been really, really weird to have a lady in green make-up when almost every other superhero is CGI-enhanced in some way. For better or worse, that's The Look of the MCU and I'm pretty confused by the sudden clamor for a practical She-Hulk.
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Some of it seems to come from concerns with labor practices. There's been a lot of discussion recently about Marvel's treatment of VFX artists, so I think some people are thinking that reducing the amount of work they'd have to do would help them out. This has combined with the really bizarre take that Marvel uses a lot of CGI specifically as a way to avoid paying union rates for makeup artists, so the idea I guess is that a She Hulk show that's done practically would be more ethical. But then a lot of it just boils down to people filming the show on motion-smoothed tv's and laughing at the work that was done by overworked VFX artists, so I don't think a lot of people actually care that much about the wellbeing of the people who work on these shows - they just want to feel justified in making fun of them.
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I am sure there are people who genuinely care about the VFX artists but I feel like the majority are just using it as an excuse for being angry at the show they would be angry at no matter what.
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Almost Blue posted:Why didn't they just paint a lady green? I feel like that would've been cheaper/easier. It's not like the history of film has a billion examples of making somebody look larger than they are too. The people who do the makeup are in unions and have rights and are entitled to a fair wage.
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Robot Style posted:Some of it seems to come from concerns with labor practices. There's been a lot of discussion recently about Marvel's treatment of VFX artists, so I think some people are thinking that reducing the amount of work they'd have to do would help them out. This has combined with the really bizarre take that Marvel uses a lot of CGI specifically as a way to avoid paying union rates for makeup artists, so the idea I guess is that a She Hulk show that's done practically would be more ethical. I think this is coming at it from the wrong angle though. I mean on the one hand theyre working the VFX artists hard, but more work for VFX artists isn't necessarily bad, since thats their job. The issue is with the work practices and conditions specifically, not more work = bad. Everything on a tv/movie is a poo poo tonne of hard work for someone. As you say though yeah its not really coming out of genuine concern so much as it is lol look at the PS3 graphics with an extra layer of moral superiority. As I understand it the big issue VFX artists have with Marvel/Disney is that theyre so much of a monopoly that if you piss them off youre shut off from a tonne of projects. massive spider fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Sep 5, 2022 |
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Thundercracker posted:Lol. The Ben Shapiro one is too on the nose. The tough-guy glare at the camera is hilarious. “You won’t get away with this, green cartoon lady!”
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, mocap and CGI is probably the only remotely practical way to do She-Hulk, her main gimmick is something that's easy to do in comics and animation but very tricky to pull off in live action. Using body doubles could work... by having someone be a Jen-sized body double. Hire the bulkiest bulkster as She-Hulk actress and do all the Jen parts with the body double and facial shots. No Tatyana though, which is a deal breaker.
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massive spider posted:I think this is coming at it from the wrong angle though. I mean on the one hand theyre working the VFX artists hard, but more work for VFX artists isn't necessarily bad, since thats their job. The issue is with the work practices and conditions specifically, not more work = bad. Everything on a tv/movie is a poo poo tonne of hard work for someone. Robot Style literally works in CG. He knows.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Searching she hulk in YouTube is a real poo poo show Okay, this one is pretty funny lmao.
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On the one hand, a lot of what I've seen of She Hulk looks kind of bad. It's also getting the most annoying people on the internet extremely angry. A land of contrasts.
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What cracks me up the most about the She-Hulk hate is that its a show based on a very goofy character. It's supposed to be silly, and they're getting a ton of mileage out of it. Also, lmao that people are losing their poo poo because She-Hulk did the most G-rated and milquetoast twerk sesh with Megan Thee Stallion.
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Snowman_McK posted:On the one hand, a lot of what I've seen of She Hulk looks kind of bad. It's also getting the most annoying people on the internet extremely angry. A land of contrasts. It's the first MCU show where I've found myself looking forward to the next episode.
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Can't believe they'd do this to a beloved famous character with a comic issue devoted to her skipping jump rope naked
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Snowman_McK posted:On the one hand, a lot of what I've seen of She Hulk looks kind of bad. It's also getting the most annoying people on the internet extremely angry. A land of contrasts. Imo this shouldn’t make anyone care about something.
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Yeah does She Hulk have anything to offer to people who do not care about making their internet enemies angry?
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The only reason to enjoy any form of media is to own your posting enemies
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Pirate Jet posted:Yeah does She Hulk have anything to offer to people who do not care about making their internet enemies angry? It's a fun lawyer show with some superhero stuff and an excellent performance by Tatiana Maslany so... yes?
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Pirate Jet posted:Yeah does She Hulk have anything to offer to people who do not care about making their internet enemies angry?
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