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Love the look of the orc, also thought it was a striking image to watch that whole village march off on that crest of a hill in the damp morning light. For all the obvious cgi stuff there’s a fair amount of physicality to the show as well that I appreciate.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think I'd be happier if this show was better. It's a good show though.
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Is it just me or does Robert Amarmayo as Elrond look like elven Neil Patrick Harris?
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Sep 4, 2022 18:48
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So I don't watch that many television shows (especially contemporary ones) and thus don't really read TVIV. Is it normal for so many posters to complain about aesthetic minutiae that are on screen for quite literally less than half a second and then judge the overall quality of the show on it?
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Everyone posted:Is it just me or does Robert Amarmayo as Elrond look like elven Neil Patrick Harris? Good thing I had this saved from reddit the other day: 
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Lol thanks. FWIW I've only seen episode one, give it a solid 6.5 out of 10. Beautiful, music hits hard but I'm not sold on Morfydd Clark as Galadriel, the troll fight scene was cringe af and there were definite pacing/plot issues (my wife, who is not a Tolkien nerd at all but has been Stockholm Syndrome'd into enjoying the movies asked why all the elves didn't just go back to Valinor, which, in the context of the show, great question!). Everyone says episode 2 is definitely better and I'm still hopeful, ep 1 wasn't abysmally bad but was just very mediocre overall--great in some respects and pretty lacking in others. Oh yeah the whole jumping off the boat back to Valinor thing was extremely dumb and weird, feels like the determination to hunt down Sauron no matter what could've been developed in a much less silly manner Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Sep 4, 2022 |
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I never read the books and last watched the LotR movie trilogy probably 10 years ago right before seeing The Hobbit. I really liked the first two episodes, the only part that felt too slow was the ocean part of the Galadriel part of the second episode that felt like I'd seen it in any other ocean episode of an adventure show (e.g. The Dragon Prince). The original trilogy also had pacing issues when they spent so much time showing Frodo, Sam, and Gollum walking together in the second and third movies, though. Also, that human she was arguing with was getting way too close to her face while arguing. The whole "only when we've touched the darkness" thing made me think for a little bit that it was a fake evil Valinor and the Lindon king was already corrupt or something instead of her just changing course at the very last moment. It seems like when Bronwyn's son was saying "go get help", she should have gotten help, but otoh the orc probably would've found him. I like the Harfoots. also as always the dwaves were the best part
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Sep 4, 2022 19:10
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Everyone posted:Is it just me or does Robert Amarmayo as Elrond look like elven Neil Patrick Harris? Nah I definitely saw a passing resemblance to Doogie.
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I thought this was a pretty good recap. And no, this isn't one of those chud youtubers going nuts about woman and brown people in the show, he never even brings that stuff up. Strongly disagree with him on the use of map transition shots though which I thought was clunky as hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlO2aKVgwnU
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lol UNDERWHELMING Saves you a click before you even consider clicking, I like that.
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the map transitions kinda needed to show more of the map for most people to know where the hell we actually were
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Everyone posted:Is it just me or does Robert Amarmayo as Elrond look like elven Neil Patrick Harris? Hobbit NPH
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The part about sailing to Valinor was downright bizarre. Like why are they doing any of this, why is the boat magic, why are they wearing full armor at sea, why are they posing like that? How is she going to swim back to Middle Earth? Why is it so bright when the Trees died ages ago?
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Doogie Howser times Hughie from The Boys
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AndyElusive posted:lol UNDERWHELMING He doesn't even hate the show and says its just alright right off the bat. But I think hes on point about weird editing choices, flawed cinematography, and too much expository dialogue by characters without much personality or motivation.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Lol thanks. Some elves never saw and experienced Valinor. It is later explained that some of them also enjoyed being lords (compared to living relatively care free in Valinor in perfection without the need of such dynamics; although then it turns out those dynamics are also kinda present in Valinor?). Anyway, point is that some Elves just liked what they were doing in ME and didn’t want to give it up. Moreover, I think Sauron was still perceived as a threat for a long time and the elves didn’t want to risk their world being attacked again.
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An awful lot of the Silmarillion involves successive waves of characters going "better to reign in hell." e: Including Galadriel.
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Arglebargle III posted:The part about sailing to Valinor was downright bizarre. Like why are they doing any of this, why is the boat magic, why are they wearing full armor at sea, why are they posing like that? How is she going to swim back to Middle Earth? Why is it so bright when the Trees died ages ago? To go back to their home and Elves are not subject to ME’s physics like other races and protected their home by disconnecting it from the realm in a way to prevent another attack like what happened when their trees were destroyed. The full armour thing was a little weird but Tolkien’s work is filled with weird rituals and songs and stuff.
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I really don't get everyone's problem with the cave troll bit. It was a 20 second action sequence just there to show us that Galadriel does more than walk around etherially and exposit prophetically. 
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The sword twirl at the end was a little silly but otherwise I thought it was fun.
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The elves on the boat spontaneously breaking out in a hymn is the most Tolkien thing ever.
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This show is such a pile of poo poo it inspired me to give the Hobbit movies another chance. Theatrical or extended editions?
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rkd_ posted:To go back to their home and Elves are not subject to ME’s physics like other races and protected their home by disconnecting it from the realm in a way to prevent another attack like what happened when their trees were destroyed. Bizarre explanation. Is this what non-readers are assuming based on only the info available in the show?
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Judgy Fucker posted:Lol thanks. Many elves including Galadriel were also banned from returning for their parts in an elven kinslaying which the show has no rights to depict. Which made the Gil-galad scene even weirder.
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For the record the ban on the Noldor was lifted at the end of the War of Wrath, and many returned to Valinor as a result. The ones that remained did so for several reasons. Some stayed for pride, others for love, guilt or just for an infatuation with Middle Earth. Galadriel wanted a kingdom of her own away from Lindon and founded Lorien. The Elves are affected by Middle Earth the same as other races. In many ways they're more affected by the changes of the Earth than any other race. The Elves ultimate fate is intrinsically tied with the world itself, waxing and waning as the ages pass. Every hurt upon the world is felt by the Elves and Valinor is the only place they can go to heal those wounds when the pain becomes too much for them.
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Mameluke posted:Many elves including Galadriel were also banned from returning for their parts in an elven kinslaying which the show has no rights to depict. Which made the Gil-galad scene even weirder. Right, I know the Tolkien canon, I was trying to say the show did a poor job explaining the situation for Tolkien newbies
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Hell, depending on which version of Tolkien's writings you're going with, Galadriel might never have even had a ban on returning in the first place. I think any argument relying on Galadriel having one specific motivation in Tolkien's mind is flawed due to the fact that her backstory was one of the most in flux, being rewritten right up to his death.Judgy Fucker posted:Right, I know the Tolkien canon, I was trying to say the show did a poor job explaining the situation for Tolkien newbies
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Pioneer42 posted:Bizarre explanation. Is this what non-readers are assuming based on only the info available in the show? Yes because it's literally not important to the plot and if you're going to ask me to accept elves and dwarves and magical monster in the first place why wouldn't I accept a magical cloud portal and self driving boats?
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Count Thrashula posted:I was literally listening to the remaster today and it still has all the narration? Mine's the 2013 Special Edition.  
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Everyone posted:Is it just me or does Robert Amarmayo as Elrond look like elven Neil Patrick Harris? When we watched the first episode, my wife said he's an even more low rent Neil Patrick Harris than Jesse Plemons is a low rent Matt Damon.
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rkd_ posted:To go back to their home and Elves are not subject to ME’s physics like other races and protected their home by disconnecting it from the realm in a way to prevent another attack like what happened when their trees were destroyed. Hmm. Having just refreshed my memory on some of this stuff, it shouldn’t be hidden or disconnected at this point should it? Valinor should be clearly visible from Numenor, which is one of the reasons the Numenoreans thought they’d be able to just invade it and live forever. The ability to physically get in a normal boat and sail to Valinor was lost at the same time as the inundation of Numenor. So what’s with the big curtain opening effect, I wonder.
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lol Neil Gaiman is out there fighting dumb chuds https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1566434477554995201 https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1566515586779303937
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Saganlives posted:lol Neil Gaiman is out there fighting dumb chuds We live in incredibly stupid times Gotta fight the twitter eggs
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THE BAR posted:Mine's the 2013 Special Edition. The 2018 remaster should include the narration
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I watched both episodes last night and had no idea what I thought about them. Upon reflection, they're pretty great so far! It's got a really odd tone I don't quite know the word for. Like kind of cartoony, or a kind of heightened reality. All the crowd scenes with closeups on weird looking people for instance- dwarves and harfoots are going to have weird looking folks in the crowd scenes, but also the humans in that village in Mordor were just as... picturesque. The whole show feels like it's not really going for strict realism, and that threw me off at first, but on reflection I think I can appreciate it. I really like the harfoots! Their society is so cozy and fun, and all of them are so charming to watch. It's a bit unfortunate about their stereotypical accent, but they themselves are delightful, and I like the girl harfoots dynamic and them having secret adventures with a weird star man. I like Elrond's dynamic with Durin. Khazad Dum was beautiful! I was worried that the dwarves were going to be too silly in that contest of strength, but then when Durin explained his whole deal and Elrond met his wife and kids, everything was so charming. Elrond also had a pretty good dynamic with Celebrimbor and Gladriel. I like how he's just kind of quiet and thoughtful and pleasant. I even liked the elf-human romance plot. Centering the human characters in Mordor is pretty neat to be honest. Didn't see that coming! I like how they've somehow portrayed the humans as just another race of weirdos like everyone else. It's fun. I feel like main human character woman needs a human friend though. She kind of feels like the only real person when she says "hey, the next town over got loving wiped out" and literally everyone else just shrugged. Woulda been nice if there was someone who was like, "drat, that sounds serious but what are you gonna do?" The stoic elf is pretty fun to watch so far. I like the character they've established for Gladriel. I feel the single minded warrior of vengeance isn't usually that interesting, but somehow she's pulling it off. It's too bad she's been stuck in the ocean for all this time. Her adventures have been by far the least interesting so far, but hopefully that'll change as she and her new roguish buddy have to deal with corsairs. That seems like it'll be fun. I did not know what to expect and was surprised at the tone of what I saw, but reflecting on it, I enjoyed watching it very much, and want to keep following these little stories! As for the big story... after reading this thread I've learned a lot of context that made me more excited for the whole larger structure of this story. I've also been reminded of how incredibly obnoxious canon purists can be! It's an adaptation: please just accept it as its own thing. I can understand the sense of lost potential in an adaptation that fails to capture what you appreciate about the original- you know it's less likely that an adaptation along the lines of what you might have hoped for will be made. That can be frustrating. But were you really holding out hope for a better adaptation of the Lord of the Rings appendices? Like, is that really anything that would ever reasonably exist in a pure and coherent form? There is a story out there that some of you clearly love, and this is not quite that story. But it isn't a bad story just because of that. (It might be bad to you for other reasons, and by all means keep criticizing it for its own failings.) Your original appendices will always exist. Just like I can still appreciate Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire, two parts of the Lord of the Rings that I loved, regardless of what Peter Jackson put in his movies. Sitting around and seething at this show for having the temerity to adapt a story is going to be exhausting for everyone. It would be better for everyone if there was less of that.
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Eiba posted:It's got a really odd tone I don't quite know the word for. Like kind of cartoony, or a kind of heightened reality. All the crowd scenes with closeups on weird looking people for instance- dwarves and harfoots are going to have weird looking folks in the crowd scenes, but also the humans in that village in Mordor were just as... picturesque. Tolkien characters have a very greek-mythology, kalos kagathos representation - heroes are canonically good looking and, vice versa, villains wear their moral ugliness on their skin. The villagers are descendants of Men who allied with the Enemy and some of them at least are still stashing their Sauron-sigil-engraved swords in their barns and reminiscing about the days where they had a "true" king instead of elven peacekeepers.
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Eiba posted:It's got a really odd tone I don't quite know the word for. Like kind of cartoony, or a kind of heightened reality. All the crowd scenes with closeups on weird looking people for instance- dwarves and harfoots are going to have weird looking folks in the crowd scenes, but also the humans in that village in Mordor were just as... picturesque. The whole show feels like it's not really going for strict realism, and that threw me off at first, but on reflection I think I can appreciate it. I felt this too, and is in my mind to its great credit. It's what makes this all feel like high fantasy compared to, say, Game of Thrones' low fantasy. Which is not to say one is better than the other, but high fantasy is not something we typically get to see with this much money behind it, if it all. I think its also nice to have a cut and dry morality in a fantasy property after decades of post 9/11 shades of gray.
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