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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Pablo Nergigante posted:

What the gently caress is this even about

here, let me help you

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

indigi posted:

people were mad that a white lady who had spent 20 years studying cooking techniques and traveling the world to do research into local cuisines wrote a book about dumplings, traditionally associated with but by no means exclusive to eastern/east Asian culinary arts, and noodles

keffals did a troll answer to a iirc Filipino blogger/journalist/influencer (I forget which) asking why this white lady was allowed to write a book about dumplings and people think that means she's racist

note that this happened months (if not years ago) but people can't loving let it go

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Also, Keffals just successfully got KiwiFarms shut down permanently after a coordinated harassment campaign against her. Bitter Twitter losers are trying to find all the reasons she's Problematic

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
if we're talking about material outcomes I will take a comrade who destroys a site that harasses trans people (including black trans people!) and makes the occasional racially insensitive tweet vs literally everyone who is complaining about her combined

BUT I don't even think that tweet was racially insensitive lol. it was mocking identitarian liberalism

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Ninja042803/status/1566885583946924036

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

Chamale posted:

Also, Keffals just successfully got KiwiFarms shut down permanently after a coordinated harassment campaign against her. Bitter Twitter losers are trying to find all the reasons she's Problematic

get harassed by the right for existing as a trans person, then get harassed by the left for doing something with your loving life

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Halser posted:

get harassed by the right for existing as a trans person, then get harassed by the left for doing something with your loving life

idpol liberals are not the left

Also they are always suspiciously frothingly eager to shoot down a minority and will go all hands on deck to do it

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

idpol liberals are not the left

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

Ghost Leviathan posted:

idpol liberals are not the left

fair enough

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
I'm at a point now as a trans woman where I feel no obligation to humor people just because they weaponize their own marginalized status. You do not need to both sides Dave Chapelle's standup because he's black and couches his bigoted grievances in liberal language. Neither do you need to humor TERFs just because they use feminist language. I know I will never break my sense of solidarity and earnest desire to grow when it comes to other marginalized communities.

People dogpile trans people who make mistakes because we're easy targets, much easier than the people who actually hold clout and power in society. Also because people are still incredibly prejudiced against our group.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

indigi posted:

people were mad that a white lady who had spent 20 years studying cooking techniques and traveling the world to do research into local cuisines wrote a book about dumplings, traditionally associated with but by no means exclusive to eastern/east Asian culinary arts, and noodles

keffals did a troll answer to a iirc Filipino blogger/journalist/influencer (I forget which) asking why this white lady was allowed to write a book about dumplings and people think that means she's racist

I do appreciate how a (deranged) strain of identity politics basically ends up advocating for apartheid. God forbid people have genuine interest in let alone appreciation for other cultures.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Orange Devil posted:

I do appreciate how a (deranged) strain of identity politics basically ends up advocating for apartheid. God forbid people have genuine interest in let alone appreciation for other cultures.

yeah they basically twist themselves into becoming a weird kind of idealist racial realists through a truly impressive mix of cognitive malleability and dogmatism

for someone to get to that point they have to be willing to both bite a lot of bullets and consider the implications of their world view to a *very precise* depth. too shallow and you don't go mad, too deep and you start to see the problems; just enough and you become one of the most annoying people on twitter, or a Green

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
On reflection, I guess the only choice I have to not be racist is to fully immerse myself in my own native (white) culture and be proud of my heritage!


Hey wait a minute...

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Orange Devil posted:

On reflection, I guess the only choice I have to not be racist is to fully immerse myself in my own native (white) culture and be proud of my heritage!


Hey wait a minute...
That's not fair. I think the divide is between immersing yourself in your white culture and being proud, or immersing yourself in your own white culture and treating other cultures as containing some essential foreignness beyond the grasp of you and other and other normal people.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Orange Devil posted:

I do appreciate how a (deranged) strain of identity politics basically ends up advocating for apartheid. God forbid people have genuine interest in let alone appreciation for other cultures.

This is what happens with well-off people who have no concept of materialism and are Extremely Online, for them this is not in any way connected to their everyday lives and experiences, this is a hobby. They're the people who stopped using 'intersectionality' the moment they heard it includes class.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

it’s this kind of weird extremely online quasi-religious alchemy where if you recite the correct sequence of sacred words (center voices-bodies in spaces-lived experience), people are legally obliged to listen to and agree with you.

it’s especially frustrating since a lot of these terms once had a fairly narrow academic definition which made them actually useful in certain types of discussion, but have been diluted into complete uselessness. cultural appropriation is when white people have tattoos, gaslighting is when someone disagrees with you, etc.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Comrade Koba posted:

it’s this kind of weird extremely online quasi-religious alchemy where if you recite the correct sequence of sacred words (center voices-bodies in spaces-lived experience), people are legally obliged to listen to and agree with you.

it’s especially frustrating since a lot of these terms once had a fairly narrow academic definition which made them actually useful in certain types of discussion, but have been diluted into complete uselessness. cultural appropriation is when white people have tattoos, gaslighting is when someone disagrees with you, etc.
...doxxing is when you quote someone, stalking is reading the same thread

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



grifting is when anyone i don't like makes money

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Oneiros posted:

grifting is when anyone i don't like makes money

Also sometimes when the don't

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
Decolonization is something individuals do

Groomers are people who don't want to abuse gay kids


I think there is an intentional destruction of left-wing and liberatory language by the center and the right. What happened to Critical Race Theory and the term "Woke" were intentional campaigns by the right wing to rob those concepts of their power. And they were successful, so many people have a definition in their minds that has little to do with the way these terms have been used by marginalized groups. They are much less open to hearing the truth now.

Isn't that what's happening to all of these other terms? They are liberalized, stretched, and exaggerated until they have lost their meaning. Thereby robbing people of valuable tools.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Because liberals don't actually understand action as anything but individuals doing it to feel good about themselves and gain personal clout and accolades for their resume. They genuinely are confused and suspicious at any attempt at collective action, because that's utterly alien and absurd to their worldview to do so unless you are literally being paid for it.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

unwantedplatypus posted:

Decolonization is something individuals do

Groomers are people who don't want to abuse gay kids


I think there is an intentional destruction of left-wing and liberatory language by the center and the right. What happened to Critical Race Theory and the term "Woke" were intentional campaigns by the right wing to rob those concepts of their power. And they were successful, so many people have a definition in their minds that has little to do with the way these terms have been used by marginalized groups. They are much less open to hearing the truth now.

Isn't that what's happening to all of these other terms? They are liberalized, stretched, and exaggerated until they have lost their meaning. Thereby robbing people of valuable tools.


This isn't new either.

Try explaining to someone what Marx meant to say with "exploitation" or "surplus value" let alone "private property". Not even getting into "socialism" or "communism".

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Queer means you like bdsm or anal

Nonbinary means being skinny and in a suit

Class means ur income tax bracket

a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

as a queer coded person (pink is my favorite color, and im a man)

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Arsenic Lupin posted:

The standard excuse from Heinleinites is "It was Campbell's racist idea, Heinlein just executed."

You mean the dude who wrote a novel about how cool is it for an amazing older novelist to have a harem of ethnic ladies at his beck and call 24/7 recording his every utterance like a Kelly cartoon but serious, and a couple different novels including sections about how in the future boning your daughter and your mother is very cool and you're a closeminded loser for thinking it isn't, and also a very weird novel about how awesome it would be for a dying rich dude to take over his dead lady secretary's body and get her pregnant with his own frozen sperm because being trans is only cool if rich capitalists do it by purchasing corpses because they want to cheat death and have their brain put into a new body and also the brain transplant means that the dude and the dead lady become a Being John Malkovich style mind gestalt which later also adds on her dead husband, and then the child can inherit the gestalt also had some weird things to say about race?

It really was wild being 12 in the 90s and into sci fi, and folks kept giving me copies of Stranger in a Strange Land and Time Enough for Love because they had spaceships on the cover

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

tokin opposition posted:

Queer means you like bdsm or anal

Nonbinary means being skinny and in a suit

Class means ur income tax bracket

while the first two are proper lib reductionism you're giving too much credit on the last one, it's just whether you shop at walmart or target

Whooping Crabs
Apr 13, 2010

Sorry for the derail but I fuckin love me some racoons

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Orange Devil posted:

I do appreciate how a (deranged) strain of identity politics basically ends up advocating for apartheid. God forbid people have genuine interest in let alone appreciation for other cultures.

its racist for me to listen to hip hop, im going to google "whites only music" and see whats out there. whats the wrost that could happen.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

a fatguy baldspot posted:

as a queer coded person (pink is my favorite color, and im a man)

Uuuuuugh, queer coding. An idea that was annoying and overused from the get-go. You're giving me flashbacks to uni

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

tokin opposition posted:

Uuuuuugh, queer coding. An idea that was annoying and overused from the get-go. You're giving me flashbacks to uni

Well, I’m the villain of an animated children’s film so

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

gulag

emo-ignorance
Jun 12, 2020


Read the article and the writer is making the case that insulin isn't a viable long-term solution for Type 2 diabetics, which comprise 90% of diabetics in the US, so insulin price caps aren't good enough. He says it should be a price cap on all diabetes medication, which tbh is hard to disagree with. What a headline though, and what a way to pit the different kinds of diabetics against each other

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

You mean the dude who wrote a novel about how cool is it for an amazing older novelist to have a harem of ethnic ladies at his beck and call 24/7 recording his every utterance like a Kelly cartoon but serious, and a couple different novels including sections about how in the future boning your daughter and your mother is very cool and you're a closeminded loser for thinking it isn't, and also a very weird novel about how awesome it would be for a dying rich dude to take over his dead lady secretary's body and get her pregnant with his own frozen sperm because being trans is only cool if rich capitalists do it by purchasing corpses because they want to cheat death and have their brain put into a new body and also the brain transplant means that the dude and the dead lady become a Being John Malkovich style mind gestalt which later also adds on her dead husband, and then the child can inherit the gestalt also had some weird things to say about race?

It really was wild being 12 in the 90s and into sci fi, and folks kept giving me copies of Stranger in a Strange Land and Time Enough for Love because they had spaceships on the cover

Yeah, that dude. Don't forget Friday, where a genetically engineered superhuman suffers brutal torture and rape in the first chapter, then spends the rest of the book bouncing from one polycule to another before overcoming her internalized bigotry and inferiority complex through the joys of ~BaBiEs!~

I spent waaaaay too long as a smug teenaged right-libertarian with hosed-up views on gender and relationships because my dad kept throwing Heinlein books at me and I didn't develop critical reading capabilities until much later than I should have.

Whooping Crabs
Apr 13, 2010

Sorry for the derail but I fuckin love me some racoons

emo-ignorance posted:

Read the article and the writer is making the case that insulin isn't a viable long-term solution for Type 2 diabetics, which comprise 90% of diabetics in the US, so insulin price caps aren't good enough. He says it should be a price cap on all diabetes medication, which tbh is hard to disagree with. What a headline though, and what a way to pit the different kinds of diabetics against each other

The first line of the article should read "Now that I've got your attention..."

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/ElctrcTrtleLnd/status/1567350962653696000

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/WealthAndWant/status/1567450655878483969

https://twitter.com/WealthAndWant/status/1567592368999747585

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

globalist georgist lol. twitter kicks rear end

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


globalist george visits the IMF

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/notdanhastings/status/1568250342672039936?t=5Tg-OWRPDY9sna8zNoUGHg&s=19

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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
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the UK to switch to an entirely monarch-based economy, burning through the heirs at a faster and faster rate to counteract the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

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