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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

They make triangle manhole covers? What the hell

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Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

Haha, I don't think I've ever seen a triangle manholes but valves definitely. Most bikes would be fine but could probably catch a scooter out depending on how you hit it.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

They look like giant guitar picks, crazy

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Toe Rag posted:

Haha, I don't think I've ever seen a triangle manholes but valves definitely. Most bikes would be fine but could probably catch a scooter out depending on how you hit it.

lol wild. all our water and gas valves are circular here in TN. occasionally square in the older infrastructure

televiper
Feb 12, 2007

Toe Rag posted:

Haha, I don't think I've ever seen a triangle manholes but valves definitely. Most bikes would be fine but could probably catch a scooter out depending on how you hit it.

oh what up we’re neighbors :3:

e: wait nevermind, you just placed yourself in SF area earlier.

Leaving because “.” posts are weirder than awkward-posts.

um.,SeattleGoons represent?

televiper fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Sep 3, 2022

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Portland here

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

I used to live in Seattle and also LA and now SF and I've visited SD and Portland so I have the whole coast covered AMA

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

What is your favorite shape of man hole

MSPain
Jul 14, 2006
:goatsecx:

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

As long as it opens easily and there's nothing gross inside, I'm down.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Toe Rag posted:

As long as it opens easily and there's nothing gross inside, I'm down.

Not too easily. You don't want some gaping manhole just sitting there wide open in the middle of the road.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Slavvy posted:

What is your favorite shape of man hole

New title imo

Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?

Slavvy posted:

What is your favorite shape of man hole

There's actually an engineering interview question like this that I used to ask: why are manhole covers round? There's two answers to the question that I'm looking for: how someone reacts to something so absurd while wanting to give an answer, and the actual technical reason for it. My rationale is that sometimes you're going to get asked a question in a meeting that you have absolutely no expectation for, so it gauges how well people can think on their feet.

But manhole covers are round because there's no way to orient the lid that it can fall through the hole. Also because 'round' is a lot easier to manufacture than anything else.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

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ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Then how come Wendy's burger patties are square?

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Strife posted:

There's actually an engineering interview question like this that I used to ask: why are manhole covers round? There's two answers to the question that I'm looking for: how someone reacts to something so absurd while wanting to give an answer, and the actual technical reason for it. My rationale is that sometimes you're going to get asked a question in a meeting that you have absolutely no expectation for, so it gauges how well people can think on their feet.

But manhole covers are round because there's no way to orient the lid that it can fall through the hole. Also because 'round' is a lot easier to manufacture than anything else.

I know a guy named Murphy who will take that engineering assertion and jam a round manhole cover halfway down its shaft just to prove a point.

BabelFish
Jul 20, 2013

Fallen Rib

Mister Speaker posted:

Then how come Wendy's burger patties are square?

So you can pack more of them in a box.

Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?

BabelFish posted:

So you can pack more of them in a box.

Yeah same reason Johnnie Walker bottles are square. But some ad wizard at Wendy's made a campaign about how McDonalds cuts corners because their patties are round.

Finger Prince posted:

I know a guy named Murphy who will take that engineering assertion and jam a round manhole cover halfway down its shaft just to prove a point.

Generally I'm hiring people to fix where Murphy's been.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Strife posted:

But manhole covers are round because there's no way to orient the lid that it can fall through the hole.

We need more rouleaux triangle manholes

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
a regular triangle cover also isn't going to fit down its own hole though

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




As a one time sewage treatment worker I have never seen a triangle or square manhole. Square would be horrible because you could drop it into the shaft

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

As a one time sewage treatment worker I have never seen a triangle or square manhole. Square would be horrible because you could drop it into the shaft

So THAT'S the qualification that got you the modding job

Quite A Tool
Jul 4, 2004

The answer is... 42
This isn’t a rant so much as a love letter to the dude who let me have a little fun on a beautiful day.

Was out for a ride and there’s a nice long on-ramp where you can give it the beans for a bit which I was looking forward to. I was coming up to it and there’s a sweeping right with a yield for traffic turning left into it. As I’m getting there a big ol’ super duty pulling a trailer full of scrap or something is starting to turn left. Pretty sure he read my supremely disappointed body language and saw me shaking my head sadly because he slowed down and stuck his arm out the window and waved me on like a third base coach sending me to home.

As a rule I rarely let other cars break the flow/rules of traffic for me because that’s how bad poo poo happens but today it was much appreciated.

Semi-related I’m currently on the hunt for a cheap Sportster because while I adore the Monster, I need something to putter around town on because while I knew it was gonna be kinda dumb I’m starting to get tired of being stuck in 2nd gear all day every day around my part of Seattle.

Quite A Tool fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Sep 6, 2022

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Slavvy posted:

So THAT'S the qualification that got you the modding job

Naturally, yes

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

Quite A Tool posted:

This isn’t a rant so much as a love letter to the dude who let me have a little fun on a beautiful day.

Was out for a ride and there’s a nice long on-ramp where you can give it the beans for a bit which I was looking forward to. I was coming up to it and there’s a sweeping right with a yield for traffic turning left into it. As I’m getting there a big ol’ super duty pulling a trailer full of scrap or something is starting to turn left. Pretty sure he read my supremely disappointed body language and saw me shaking my head sadly because he slowed down and stuck his arm out the window and waved me on like a third base coach sending me to home.

As a rule I rarely let other cars break the flow/rules of traffic for me because that’s how bad poo poo happens but today it was much appreciated.

Semi-related I’m currently on the hunt for a cheap Sportster because while I adore the Monster, I need something to putter around town on because while I knew it was gonna be kinda dumb I’m starting to get tired of being stuck in 2nd gear all day every day around my part of Seattle.

Basically the opposite of my experience yesterday. Although it is a holiday weekend, it's hot out and I started a little later, so I was hoping I missed most of it. I guess it's 30+ degrees cooler on the coast than inland, so nope.

Literally 200ft outside of my garage. I hate Uber drivers, and their COVID absence is sorely missed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8JsC2aSYUA

Then about a half dozen people like this who have never driven on a country road before, although this was definitely the worst offender. If I had been in a car I would have been off the road. The following truck probably lives out there and moved over to their side properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgtqhYTfRg

And then this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4cvdgdwTA

Yes I know riding on the shoulder is illegal, but I'm not going to sit in a 4 mile long traffic jam in 95 degree ambient air temp when I can safely scoot on by. If there shoulder were narrower, or not there, then so be it, but the only dangerous person is the guy in the car.


Also at the very start of my ride my battery went dead and I had to push start it in this heat wave in full leather :negative:

RightClickSaveAs
Mar 1, 2001

Tiny animals under glass... Smaller than sand...


Quite A Tool posted:

This isn’t a rant so much as a love letter to the dude who let me have a little fun on a beautiful day.

Was out for a ride and there’s a nice long on-ramp where you can give it the beans for a bit which I was looking forward to. I was coming up to it and there’s a sweeping right with a yield for traffic turning left into it. As I’m getting there a big ol’ super duty pulling a trailer full of scrap or something is starting to turn left. Pretty sure he read my supremely disappointed body language and saw me shaking my head sadly because he slowed down and stuck his arm out the window and waved me on like a third base coach sending me to home.

As a rule I rarely let other cars break the flow/rules of traffic for me because that’s how bad poo poo happens but today it was much appreciated.

Semi-related I’m currently on the hunt for a cheap Sportster because while I adore the Monster, I need something to putter around town on because while I knew it was gonna be kinda dumb I’m starting to get tired of being stuck in 2nd gear all day every day around my part of Seattle.
:3: it's always nice when drivers not only notice you but wave you by. On my favorite mountain road the last outing, getting there later than I like to and catching traffic, I had two vehicles in a row pull over and let me past, I always give them an enthusiastic thumbs up.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Toe Rag posted:

Basically the opposite of my experience yesterday. Although it is a holiday weekend, it's hot out and I started a little later, so I was hoping I missed most of it. I guess it's 30+ degrees cooler on the coast than inland, so nope.

Literally 200ft outside of my garage. I hate Uber drivers, and their COVID absence is sorely missed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8JsC2aSYUA

Then about a half dozen people like this who have never driven on a country road before, although this was definitely the worst offender. If I had been in a car I would have been off the road. The following truck probably lives out there and moved over to their side properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgtqhYTfRg

And then this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4cvdgdwTA

Yes I know riding on the shoulder is illegal, but I'm not going to sit in a 4 mile long traffic jam in 95 degree ambient air temp when I can safely scoot on by. If there shoulder were narrower, or not there, then so be it, but the only dangerous person is the guy in the car.


Also at the very start of my ride my battery went dead and I had to push start it in this heat wave in full leather :negative:

See, that last guy was being very courteous by leaving a nice wide space to pass him on the left. I hope you gave him a thank you wave!
When filtering in London everyone always splits down the center line, even with the oncoming traffic. The first few times you do it it feels suuuper sketch but after not dying a few times it comes naturally.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
That shoulder is a motorcycle lane, clearly.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Mister Speaker posted:

That shoulder is a motorcycle lane, clearly.

If you're on a bicycle nobody gives a gently caress, from their perspective there is zero difference, so I come back to the idea that they feel somehow cheated t you aren't sitting there getting frustrated with them.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

Slavvy posted:

I come back to the idea that they feel somehow cheated t you aren't sitting there getting frustrated with them.

That's exactly it. The only time someone ever complained to me about lane splitting, I was riding in between the left lane and a street patio, because most of the cars in the left lane were jammed up trying to turn and I wanted to turn right anyway. The way I saw it I was helping traffic move, but this one lady who was waiting to pull right was so mad that I fit and she didn't.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


I remember splitting down the Gardiner in Toronto one time when I could see the evil eye being given to me in the side view mirror of some kind of luxobarge being driven by a crotchety oldish white dude as he slowly inched closer and closer to the line. My dude, you're in the middle lane, a bus could now filter past you on the other side of your car. Thank you though.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Finger Prince posted:

I remember splitting down the Gardiner in Toronto one time when I could see the evil eye being given to me in the side view mirror of some kind of luxobarge being driven by a crotchety oldish white dude as he slowly inched closer and closer to the line. My dude, you're in the middle lane, a bus could now filter past you on the other side of your car. Thank you though.

You would think anyone who's been in Toronto long enough would recognize the need to have as little mass as possible up on the Gardiner

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Renaissance Robot posted:

a regular triangle cover also isn't going to fit down its own hole though

It can, the same way you can lose a square cover down its hole. Consider that for an equilateral triangle with sides 2 units long, its height is 1.73 (or square root of 3). Meaning you can turn it vertical, like the square, and then orient it so the height lines up with the side of the hole. 2 - 1.73 = 0.27 units of clearance = one dropped manhole cover.

Of course we're setting aside the effects of cover thickness and support lip depth, because it's trivial to make a manhole "plug" taller than it is wide (and therefore impossible to fit), or to make the lip that supports the cover project so far in that you couldn't fit a toothpick down the hole, let alone the lid.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

People actively do the opposite of this in the UK, it's great.

Shelvocke
Aug 6, 2013

Microwave Engraver
In my experience, as the relative wealth and value of vehicle goes up, so does the entitled indignation about being split by a motorcycle, or anyone, really.

In contrast, in the "poor" town down the road, people will cheerfully drive their beater in the ditch to let you through.

I used to work at a boarding school, and the flashy parents in Lamborghinis and Teslas would fall into the first group, whereas the old money multi-million/billionaires and/or titled gentry driving clapped out 60s land rovers and 80s ford escorts would be in the second.

RightClickSaveAs
Mar 1, 2001

Tiny animals under glass... Smaller than sand...


Nothing fills me with rage more effectively than people acting like cops on the road about motorcycles.

AZ passed legal splitting in stopped traffic which goes into effect September ??? (90 days after legislative session ends or something?) and can't wait for all the people blowing their lids when motorcycles start to do it legally. If I die in a road rage incident it will be from getting shot after taking someone's mirror off when they decide they just can't abide those bikes getting around them.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Shelvocke posted:

In my experience, as the relative wealth and value of vehicle goes up, so does the entitled indignation about being split by a motorcycle, or anyone, really.

In contrast, in the "poor" town down the road, people will cheerfully drive their beater in the ditch to let you through.

I used to work at a boarding school, and the flashy parents in Lamborghinis and Teslas would fall into the first group, whereas the old money multi-million/billionaires and/or titled gentry driving clapped out 60s land rovers and 80s ford escorts would be in the second.

Ehh maybe. Bimmer driver or Fiat driver, everyone will pull over for you in Italy and Spain. Switzerland everyone is too incompetent so I'm just happy if they don't just veer off somewhere.

In most of London everyone expects bikes, filtering/splitting is the norm and safe, all good. Then you drive down Whitechapel (not at all a wealthy area) and the normal rules of traffic don't apply and cars can come from any direction whether there's a junction or not.

Drive up to Birmingham and there are way fewer bikes, and even though the driving is generally OK it's way more dangerous, people just aren't used to looking out for bikes and filtering past people is an unwelcome surprise.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


RightClickSaveAs posted:

Nothing fills me with rage more effectively than people acting like cops on the road about motorcycles.

AZ passed legal splitting in stopped traffic which goes into effect September ??? (90 days after legislative session ends or something?) and can't wait for all the people blowing their lids when motorcycles start to do it legally. If I die in a road rage incident it will be from getting shot after taking someone's mirror off when they decide they just can't abide those bikes getting around them.

I can’t find a solid date on this for some reason. I saw a bike filtering this weekend though and it reminded me that it’s finally happening. I can’t decide if it’s worth waiting at all or just to do it. A month or two extra isn’t going to make people any more “used to it” than now.

Also, utility covers chat:



Russian Bear fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Sep 6, 2022

RightClickSaveAs
Mar 1, 2001

Tiny animals under glass... Smaller than sand...


Russian Bear posted:

I can’t find a solid date on this for some reason. I saw a bike filtering this weekend though and it reminded me that it’s finally happening. I can’t decide if it’s worth waiting at all or just to do it. A month or two extra isn’t going to make people any more “used to it” than now.
Yeah just did another search through articles and not one gives an actual date, the only common thing is "90 days after legislative session ends". It looks like the legislative session ended June 25th https://ballotpedia.org/2022_Arizona_legislative_session, which would make the date September 23rd I guess.

Quite A Tool
Jul 4, 2004

The answer is... 42

RightClickSaveAs posted:

Nothing fills me with rage more effectively than people acting like cops on the road about motorcycles.

AZ passed legal splitting in stopped traffic which goes into effect September ??? (90 days after legislative session ends or something?) and can't wait for all the people blowing their lids when motorcycles start to do it legally. If I die in a road rage incident it will be from getting shot after taking someone's mirror off when they decide they just can't abide those bikes getting around them.

I commuted year round on a bike in AZ, that’s a much needed change.

It was like 120 in August and I was on the 143/202 interchange just trying to get home during rush hour and it was all sorts of backed up. I was slowly cruising along the shoulder when some shitheel in a brodozer drat near went 90 degrees to traffic to block me. I pulled the same move Toe Rag did and as I was rolling by he was already hopping out and screaming at me.

I wish you the best of luck.

Quite A Tool fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 6, 2022

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Strife
Apr 20, 2001

What the hell are YOU?
"Crabs in a bucket" should really be changed to "pickup truck drivers in traffic."

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