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Failed Imagineer posted:I appreciated the memory of that button that was just an obnoxious guy shouting "DJ!" like a Street Fighter announcer The ones in my school also had a button to make the man shout "dictionary" for some reason which obviously led to a lot of "dic-dic-dic-dic-dic-dic..." content. e: dog tax - a tired boy after running 5k (and his dog) 
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Mebh posted:Do you all reckon that Lab and the SNP would form a coalition under the terms of allowing a referendum? Or that the lib dems would do their usual poison the well tactics by saying they're in second place and refuse to grasp at the reins in favour of being as poo poo as possible. I think Labour well and truly believes that they don't need to do any sort of deal with the SNP in the event of a hung parliament, the logic being that if the SNP refuse to just fall in line and collapse the government as a result, it will effect a 1980-esque collapse of the SNP vote. I'm personally confident this is a truly colossal miscalculation on their part. First, even if it was true, the SNP don't think it's true, so playing chicken like that will collapse the government and probably put labour back out of power same as 1980. Second, it's not true, the situation is significantly different now, the SNP's message on westminster for almost a decade now has been that Scottish voters are ignored, their wishes are not seen as worthy of consideration, and that the westminster parties expect the jocks to fall in line. Around Labour specifically the message has been that Labour lost Scotland because they felt they were entitled to their Scottish vote without being obliged to give anything back. You could hardly ask for a scenario that would prove the SNP's point more than the Labour party being willing to jeapordise their own government because they were unwilling to get round the table with the largest party in Scotland. I think some assume that the rhetoric we've heard from the Labour leadership around the SNP over the years is just talk, that when it comes down to it they'll do a deal, somehow, but I don't see any real reason to believe that will be the case, it is a message that has been consistent from the labour party for over 40 years at this point, an unwillingness to concede to the SNP is perhaps the one thing that almost every senior Labour figure on the left or right can agree on.
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It could backfire on the SNP if they were viewed as obstructing a government that wanted to do good things, but fortunately for them Starmer has pre-empted that one.
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A reminder that Labour hate the SNP alot more than the Tories.
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Guavanaut posted:It could backfire on the SNP if they were viewed as obstructing a government that wanted to do good things, but fortunately for them Starmer has pre-empted that one. Backfire how? I'd be pretty confident in saying that that vast majority of SNP voters are well past the point of caring about who is in government in Westminster. They primarily vote SNP because they want to be rid of that system entirely. Better late than never, landlords piss will be boiling though. https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1567075659532455937?t=HatjOTaqL9ws3vUpY1pC7w keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Voters who care more about left wing policy but vote SNP or Greens over ScotLab because the latter don't offer any meaningful left wing policy could be pissed off if the SNP were seen to be blocking that. But Starmer isn't going to be offering any to block which makes it academic.
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My point really is that Starmer has lied and misled a shitload. Faced with coalition or hung parliament I do wonder if their desire for power might supersede the rest. Of course that assumes they have any shred of competency and even want to be in power.
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'Responding to Truss’s appointment, Sir Rocco Forte, the Brexiter hotelier and Tory donor who hit out at Boris Johnson earlier this year, said: “From what I have seen of her, Liz Truss is a very determined person and has a very clear idea as to what she has to do. I am very hopeful.”' Get struck by lightning you dope
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Maybe Starmer is such a liar that how obviously poo poo he is was also a lie and when he gets into power he'll enact mega socialism
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The SNP have repeatedly affirmed that they'll happily provide Labour with a confidence and supply arrangement (support on budget and queen's speech) in exchange indyref #2. If Starmer wants to blow up his chances over that then so be it, can't see him getting much sympathy in Scotland except from melt journalists like Chris Deerin.
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The biggest trick Keith ever made was convincing the world he didn't exist
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Even then I don't think many people noticed.Dabir posted:Maybe Starmer is such a liar that how obviously poo poo he is was also a lie and when he gets into power he'll enact mega socialism
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Mebh posted:My point really is that Starmer has lied and misled a shitload. Faced with coalition or hung parliament I do wonder if their desire for power might supersede the rest. In think the whole "no collations" is an election ploy - people are more likely to vote for you if they want a government. Then when that fails, you can just be "Well, it's this or the Tories" Then promise an indy ref that needs to be 80% of every man woman and child living in Scotland plus every Englishperson within an hours drive of the border.
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Guavanaut posted:Even then I don't think many people noticed. It's the only hope we've got
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Guavanaut posted:It could backfire on the SNP if they were viewed as obstructing a government that wanted to do good things, but fortunately for them Starmer has pre-empted that one. I think the real problem that Labour has as regards Scotland, more than just the fact that Starmer is actively harmful to the cause, is the very idea that they are capable of framing how the SNP are viewed. That might become true at some point in future when the party has ossified, but right now it's the SNP that can frame the narrative in Scotland. Labour might bank on making it look like the SNP are obstructing a government wanting to do good things, but the SNP will argue that the Labour government preferred self-immolation to working with the SNP to get good things done. The SNP will be the one to win that fight, almost surely, they've had the luxury of being able to say for the whole of the last decade "we'll work with a labour government, the only thing we want in return is the second referendum we keep getting elected on a platform of delivering", while Labour has been the one that's felt compelled by its eye on the soft-tory electorate to say "we will never work with the SNP in a formal agreement". As long as those are the public positions of both parties, it's functionally impossible to frame the SNP as the obstructionists to the Scottish electorate.
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Communist Bear posted:A reminder that Labour hate the SNP alot more than the Tories. Depends where you live.
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Zalakwe posted:Depends where you live. Looking at control of councils I think we can go with "most of Scotland" as a starting position
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We just had a little bit of workplace improve Boris Johnson meets the queen. "Your majesty, I have come to tender my resignation as prime minister" "One accepts." Boris turns to go, only to find the way barred by a group of soldiers in dress uniform. "One regrets one is to frail to administer a beating, but one has no shortage of subjects willing to do it for one." "You can't do this!" screams Bojo as he's dragged before the throne. "One is the Queen, and one will be dead soon. One can do what she wishes!" Muffled sounds of a drat good thrashing. "Don't neglect the johnson. One wants to seem him squirm." Slightly higher pitched screams. Then there was a lot of grumbling about Truss.
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If anything she probably invited him for tea, crumpets and some noncery. You can't trust anyone who serves cucumber sandwiches, let alone someone who demands they be cut a certain way and have no crust. Diet Crack fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Diet Crack posted:If anything she probably invited him for tea, crumpets and some noncery. You can't trust anyone who serves cucumber sandwiches. Apparently she hates him, which is what started the conversation.
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I'm sure she'll wear a positively scathing barette about it.
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If she had any balls he'd be out of a hospital window by now
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Grey Hunter posted:Apparently she hates him Can you blame her?
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Where can I bet on Truss banking on relations with the Queen being positive because they both have the name "Liz"
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Diet Crack posted:Where can I bet on Truss banking on relations with the Queen being positive because they both have the name "Liz" She may not be bright enough to have made that connection
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So technically right now there is no Prime Minister, which means the Queen is fully in charge of everything, right? As we’re on the chaos timeline I fully expect her to drop dead before she gets to meet Truss.
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Answers Me posted:So technically right now there is no Prime Minister, which means the Queen is fully in charge of everything, right? As we’re on the chaos timeline I fully expect her to drop dead before she gets to meet Truss. Liz committing seppuku to avoid anointing the cockapoo as PM.
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Answers Me posted:So technically right now there is no Prime Minister, which means the Queen is fully in charge of everything, right? As we’re on the chaos timeline I fully expect her to drop dead before she gets to meet Truss. The UK's most senior politicians Sturgeon and Drakeford reluctantly take the reigns.
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I'd previously called her a labradoodle but in light of finding out that labradoodles are apparently very intelligent and also.... more salacious allegations seen yesterday, I have modified the breed of dog.
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Answers Me posted:So technically right now there is no Prime Minister, which means the Queen is fully in charge of everything, right? As we’re on the chaos timeline I fully expect her to drop dead before she gets to meet Truss. Technically also the best timeline, the best introduction to the parliamentary system of a filibuster ever
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I mean if you were the Queen and you knew you were about to die and your heirs are going to gently caress the institution you wasted your whole life trying to maintain, surely you'd be tempted to blow the whole thing up. gently caress it, invoke your privileges, take absolute power, start making laws, give it a go.
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Probably, yes. Although the terrible threat to her Maj is likely to be the lack of an imminent cup of tea.
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Diet Crack posted:Either Truss is wearing 9 inch heels or the Queen is 4'6 I think it's just a Michel Gondry level forced perspective, like the photo of Jimmy Carter looking really tiny, but also considering how bloated Johnson became, I assume the PMship must max out your Largeness stats E: adding the Carter-Biden pic cause it's still a good lol 
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Answers Me posted:For all the poo poo directed at Kuenessberg and Peston, there’s no bigger mark than Sky’s Beth Rigby. Really cringeworthy stuff about Boris’ speech etc this morning. It’s amazing how much the coverage of the Tories has merged with the way the Royals are reported on. I thought Frances De La Toure had retired, but here we are.
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