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If you're going to cheat, doing it with the black pieces against the best/most famous chess player in the world seems like a really bad way to go about it unless you're supremely confident in your methods
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Chromatics posted:I don't really understand the mechanism either, is it that they are looking at an engine in their phone away from the table or something? At that level it could be something as simple as a buzzer in your shoe that goes off if the engine eval either surpasses or drops below 0.3 (or -0.3). What was Nakamura's reason for thinking the game was dirty?
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Sep 5, 2022 21:33
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Hand Knit posted:What was Nakamura's reason for thinking the game was dirty? In true Hikaru fashion he says that he doesn't think Hans cheated, he just wants to review all the circumstantial evidence with chat... (yeah right lol) But in the after game interview he claimed to have studied a key position on some very late move and when pressed he claimed that Magnus had that position before which turned out not to be true. As well Hans was caught cheating on chess.com during money events and admitted it and was banned for a time. Its all pretty dumb, but its true that his interview was weird and even Alejandro was very surprised at some of the answers. Hans claimed to have studied a specific position during prep and then gave an example move which was a blunder.
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Sep 5, 2022 21:57
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Chromatics posted:I don't really understand the mechanism either, is it that they are looking at an engine in their phone away from the table or something? The tweet mentions a 15-minute broadcast delay as an anti-cheating measure. That suggests they're worried about a confederate outside the match area. You could get a little single-board computer like a Raspberry Pi Pico, plug in a little dongle to get cell phone data, and attach one of the teeny tiny motors they use to make cell phone vibrate. Then the confederate watches the stream, plugs the position into Stockfish, and texts you "Nxe6" or whatever the best move is. Your little widget, carefully concealed in your shoe or collar or something, then vibrates that move in Morse code. The whole thing could be smaller than a pack of playing cards. Is this a ridiculous and contrived thing to do? Sure, but people have done stupider.
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Sep 5, 2022 22:08
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Obviously the fix is Naked Chess.
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Sep 5, 2022 23:42
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I hope it doesn't, but it feels like this has a chance of blowing up in everyone's faces. There seems to be a bunch of weird things about Niemann so far (like his interviews lol) but zero hard evidence. If nothing comes up, and I doubt that anti-cheating measures are water-tight, do all the players just pretend this never happened? The guy's going to play under an aura of suspicion forever.
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Sep 6, 2022 02:10
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So Carlsen is happy to ruin this guy's chess career by insinuating he cheated, but not prepared to actually back it up. That's pretty lovely.
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Sep 6, 2022 03:29
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The tech footprint is small enough now that a lot of clever mechanisms can be put together. For example, off hacker news today: https://incoherency.co.uk/blog/stories/sockfish.html Even with a fairly minimal amount of training, one could simply contain a raspberry pi zero capsule in their anus and input moves through a Morse code contraction of the sphincter.
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Sep 6, 2022 03:35
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Hand Knit posted:I really hope the gossip all comes out, and is as messy as possible. yah me too
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Sep 6, 2022 03:44
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Redmark posted:I hope it doesn't, but it feels like this has a chance of blowing up in everyone's faces. There seems to be a bunch of weird things about Niemann so far (like his interviews lol) but zero hard evidence. If nothing comes up, and I doubt that anti-cheating measures are water-tight, do all the players just pretend this never happened? The guy's going to play under an aura of suspicion forever. Yeah. Magnus just ruined Hans' chess career, regardless of whether Hans cheated or not. He'll probably never get another invite to a top tournament regardless.
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Sep 6, 2022 03:54
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fart simpson posted:yah me too same I watched the clips and it is pretty weird that Hans couldn't give coherent analysis without a visible evaluation or even explain his own lines after beating Magnus with black. Curious to see how this unfolds.
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Sep 6, 2022 03:56
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fisting by many posted:same do you really think most super gms can give a basic coherent analysis of their own games without stockfish?
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Sep 6, 2022 03:59
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fart simpson posted:do you really think most super gms can give a basic coherent analysis of their own games without stockfish? It sounds like in the interviews he was suggesting variations that lower-rated analysts immediately identified as blunders. Isn't that odd?
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yeah it’s odd i was just shitposting
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Sep 6, 2022 04:06
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today is a good day for that
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fart simpson posted:do you really think most super gms can give a basic coherent analysis of their own games without stockfish? Yes, they can. You can in fact watch the interviews of the other people in this very competition and there is a marked difference.
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Sep 6, 2022 04:42
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Listening to GM post-game interviews is like "Well when he played <move>, I thought about <6-move line> but then decided that it was bad because <another 4 moves> and now <strategic analysis> so instead I decided that <10 move line> was better" and it's just mind boggling. Their chess recollection is on a different level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC1BAcOzHyY
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Sep 6, 2022 04:52
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maybe hans is just worse at that particular skill
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Sep 6, 2022 05:16
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One thing that surprised me about chess, is the amount of drama queens and primadonnas at the top level. I always thought of it as a highly intellectual exercise, and assumed everyone was calm and calculating. Well lol. They're just humans after all.
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Sep 6, 2022 06:34
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I guess his accusers think he cheated against alireza today too? He ended up in a draw with legit chances to win. His postgame interview was even stupider.
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Sep 6, 2022 06:39
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busalover posted:One thing that surprised me about chess, is the amount of drama queens and primadonnas at the top level. I always thought of it as a highly intellectual exercise, and assumed everyone was calm and calculating. Well lol. They're just humans after all. They largely stopped doing school just like regular professional athletes, except this game is much more isolating and (now) has them on the computer all the time. This is to say nothing of chess-generated pathologies. They are all absolutely hosed in the head.
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Sep 6, 2022 10:35
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folks that focus on one little niche thing their whole lives pretty often end up really weird and extremely dumb about anything not in their immediate wheelhouse. see: most academics
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Sep 6, 2022 10:37
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Hand Knit posted:They largely stopped doing school just like regular professional athletes, except this game is much more isolating and (now) has them on the computer all the time. This is to say nothing of chess-generated pathologies. im on computer all the time and i turned out pretty good
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Sep 6, 2022 10:38
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Nepomniachtchi's facial expressions as he says "more than impressive." https://twitter.com/GrandChessTour/status/1566867536809021441?s=20&t=TbiTJHWpXH5AWz6TxUgrMA
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Sep 6, 2022 13:38
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hikarus a messy drama bitch and its all here at this timestamp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN3zNrvO8b4&t=839s
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Sep 6, 2022 13:43
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Hand Knit posted:They largely stopped doing school just like regular professional athletes, except this game is much more isolating and (now) has them on the computer all the time. This is to say nothing of chess-generated pathologies. Buy them all accounts
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Sep 6, 2022 14:25
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fart simpson posted:hikarus a messy drama bitch and its all here at this timestamp ahahahaha Hikaru sounds like a total goon get him ITT spill the tea lets goooo
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fart simpson posted:hikarus a messy drama bitch and its all here at this timestamp 
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fart simpson posted:hikarus a messy drama bitch and its all here at this timestamp
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Baronash posted:It's bizarre to me that they dig into each move this much as a standard format for post-game interviews. Like, imagine getting grilled about why you threw a 3-2 curveball to the second batter in the fourth inning. well, chess is almost entirely mental and these guys are sometimes spending 30 minutes thinking about one move. it’s interesting to find out something about what they were thinking at certain key moments
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fart simpson posted:well, chess is almost entirely mental and these guys are sometimes spending 30 minutes thinking about one move. it’s interesting to find out something about what they were thinking at certain key moments For sure, it's just the extent to which they're doing so for this tournament seems so weird. During the Candidates, the interviewers would ask about a few key moves and perhaps propose an alternate line based on the computer eval to get the player's thoughts. This seems waaaay more intense.
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Baronash posted:For sure, it's just the extent to which they're doing so for this tournament seems so weird. During the Candidates, the interviewers would ask about a few key moves and perhaps propose an alternate line based on the computer eval to get the player's thoughts. This seems waaaay more intense. Oh yeah, Ramirez is absolutely digging in.
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Hans is a weird guy but without any proof all these people dogpiling him for cheating with accusations and innuendo is really gross.
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I think it's not so much that he's a weird guy as that this specific thing has been seen with verified cheaters in the past, and he has previously been caught cheating in an online event. Making brilliant moves at the table and being unable to explain them after the fact or even hold your position or speak fluently about some of the lines is a red flag. It's not proof of anything but it's a specific behavior you often see out of cheaters. So like yes it's lovely to fling accusations at this guy without anything substantial. But also it's not really at all surprising as to where the suspicion comes from.
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grah posted:he has previously been caught cheating in an online event. Is this actually true or is it Hikaru spreading gossip and making assumptions about the guy being off Chess.com for a while?
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Zwabu posted:Is this actually true or is it Hikaru spreading gossip and making assumptions about the guy being off Chess.com for a while? There's a video out there of him eating a ban on stream. I gather both times he's been banned are on the record, and fully known.
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Just from that clip of his interview.. maybe he's just an awkward guy but I really can't imagine getting to 2600+ without being able to just rattle off a handful of moves with a board in front of you from a game you've just played. "I don't even need to show variations" what the gently caress dude.
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Zwabu posted:Is this actually true or is it Hikaru spreading gossip and making assumptions about the guy being off Chess.com for a while? Hikaru says he was not allowed to compete, not that he simply didn't, and Eric Hansen mentions removing him from 'fight nigh't tournaments over cheating suspicions. I mean again, is it possible this is all coincidence and hearsay and bad luck? Yeah, it is possible, but that doesn't seem the most likely case right now.
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totalnewbie posted:Just from that clip of his interview.. maybe he's just an awkward guy but I really can't imagine getting to 2600+ without being able to just rattle off a handful of moves with a board in front of you from a game you've just played. If he did cheat online, which is very possible but I have seen no proof of yet, that's still very different then cheating in person which requires a whole different set of skills and planning and I've seen no evidence that it occurred.
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