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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Tetris nft game where you issue 7 tokens, one per piece, and the owner can interact with a smart contract to set that piece's spawn rate for all users.

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MechaCrash
Jan 1, 2013

So basically The Tetris God, except you get paid when someone uses your piece?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Non-fungible terrorism.

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

drk posted:

Do all New Zealanders know each other, that sounds about right

having worked with a NZ expat game developer, basically all NZ game developers know each other because there's like 50 of them

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

more falafel please posted:

having worked with a NZ expat game developer, basically all NZ game developers know each other because there's like 50 of them

I mean, yes and no

Yes there are like 50 of us, but half of us are over at Grinding Gear making Path of Exile and we never hear from them

Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


Somfin posted:

Yes there are like 50 of us, but half of us are over at Grinding Gear making Path of Exile and we never hear from them

Just want to say that you guys make a good game, and I enjoy exchanging worthless fiat dollars for its cosmetics that probably only exist thanks to Blockchain technology.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Clockwerk posted:

Just want to say that you guys make a good game, and I enjoy exchanging worthless fiat dollars for its cosmetics that probably only exist thanks to Blockchain technology.

Weirdly they managed all that without any blockchain stuff (I am not with GGG)

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
so whats happening with etherium i m seeing mentions of a merg?

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007




Reality just keeps getting dumber.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Unperson_47 posted:

Reality just keeps getting dumber.

In the thread from Twitter, it was even worse:


https://gizmodo.com/someone-uploaded-child-pornography-to-a-blockchain-ledg-1832398480


Quotes were exactly as you'd expect, too, and that was (edit:3 years ago) so I'm sure that's gotten even better since.


absolute shitcoin maximalists posted:

“The Bitcoin SV block chain is not a place for criminal activity,” Jimmy Nguyen, founder of nChain, the company that runs BSV, told BBC,

notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Sep 6, 2022

Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


Somfin posted:

Weirdly they managed all that without any blockchain stuff

Stop right there FUDster!

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.

notwithoutmyanus posted:

Big moves take time. Bigger players have been unloading hundreds of millions of dollars of Bitcoin. Last week saw over half a billion dollars exit and we haven't even seen RIOT or MARA collapse yet. It'll take time to slow rug the rest. Even the stock market has been holding up much better so far.
Perhaps much bigger parties are keeping the BTC price inflated through spoof/fake order magic to unwind their positions, yet keep the price from collapsing?

I also think other big players, with collusion of the exchanges and so-called stable-coins, do whatever they can to put upward pressure on the prices, but have to cool their shady activities during any regulatory scrutiny. I suspect that's what happened when BTC pulled back to under $18K in the summer.

Of course, my theory is based on cynical speculation, so everyone feel free to poke all the holes you want into it, so to help find a better hypothesis.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

notwithoutmyanus posted:

In the thread from Twitter, it was even worse:


https://gizmodo.com/someone-uploaded-child-pornography-to-a-blockchain-ledg-1832398480


Quotes were exactly as you'd expect, too, and that was (edit:3 years ago) so I'm sure that's gotten even better since.

how does porn get uploaded to the blockchain? doesn't it end up being a list of transactions? how do images/video get on there?

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

ilmucche posted:

how does porn get uploaded to the blockchain? doesn't it end up being a list of transactions? how do images/video get on there?

bitcoin sv supports huge rear end transactions (several hundred megabytes) so you just add files straight into the transactions

(transactions in bitcoin and clones use a very light scripting languange so they use a function that basically says «comment follows after this marker»)

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.

Offler posted:

What a time to be alive. Crowdfunded videogame rugpulls can now claim that they invested their "investors" money in a crypto rugpull, and most of the people they scammed will simply go "Aww, too bad. I was looking forward to that game."

Imagine trying to explain that to your great grandpa.

same thing happened when Bitcoin Savings & Trust popped, all the other buttcoin ponzis popped because they put their own buttcoin in the bigger ponzi

a bunch of really angry forum nerds took pictures of the Savings & Trust guy's house and truck and then proceeded to do nothing else

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

ymgve posted:

bitcoin sv supports huge rear end transactions (several hundred megabytes) so you just add files straight into the transactions

(transactions in bitcoin and clones use a very light scripting languange so they use a function that basically says «comment follows after this marker»)

So for a small fee you can essentially graffiti the blockchain? Lol

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION
ugh, bitcoin, just frick off already!!

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Main Paineframe posted:

It's easier to make a large number of characters/items/whatever feel somewhat distinct without actually inventing new mechanics for them. In an action game, if you want to have fifty characters that aren't all just obviously skins of the same main character, you have to make them play somewhat differently. In a RPG, you can just tweak the stats and change some flavor text

Nintendo can add a hundred new Pokemon every game because all they have to do to make new Pokemon is draw them, pick out stats for them, assign them a handful of preexisting moves, and drop them into a random encounter pool somewhere. The hardest part is making merchandise for them

Kinda understating since nowadays especially they have to be fully animated in HD, it's really no easier than making any other kind of video game character. They're not bleepbloop little Game Boy games anymore.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I've seen how they animate those pokemon. "Fully" is an overstatement.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

ilmucche posted:

So for a small fee you can essentially graffiti the blockchain? Lol

Its graffiti you have to pay to create on a wall that nobody will ever see.

gbut
Mar 28, 2008

😤I put the UN🇺🇳 in 🎊FUN🎉


Cinder block chain.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Ups_rail posted:

so whats happening with etherium i m seeing mentions of a merg?

Probably the Proof of Stake change?

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

https://twitter.com/weredawgz/status/1567163180987678731?s=46&t=hgVtL-gW7d8QaS8p2cTRzw

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock
At that point you could just take a vacation in the philippines and have a more real experience than anything in the metaverse. Probably cheaper and you are supporting the local economy directly.


Not many dragons there, though

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

SettingSun posted:

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

the only reason Axie Infinity worked long enough to be pay-to-earn's big success story was because, even though grinding it all day long would only give you a few bucks worth of crypto, that few bucks was more than the minimum wage in the Philippines. Americans would sponsor those players' entry fees in exchange for a perpetual cut of their payouts, hoping to build up a decent passive income by taxing a bunch of poor people's earnings

now the play-to-earn types are excitedly searching for other ways to exploit massive wealth inequality to turn players in poor countries into profit engines for rich countries

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

SettingSun posted:

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

If they had a modicum of ethical integrity and empathy regarding the use of their wealth, and actually cared about creating a compelling game experience, they could pay people to "perform" as the NPC's while other players pay to play the game.

Kinda like theme park employees.

Unfortunately these assholes can only think of the worst ideas possible.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



SettingSun posted:

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

Yeah the dude they're quoting is at the point where he just takes $10,000 NFTs as the price of admission for a game as a given. Naturally, games are for rich people, but they can rent their NFT out to the poors who will grind for them and then split the coinz they earn.

quote:

Mikhai Kossar, a chartered accountant and a member of Wolves DAO, a group that consults with NFT gaming projects in the early stages of their development, told Rest of World that some players will always go wherever they can make more money. “They will play Pac-Man if they can earn more,” he said.

According to Kossar, NFT renting mechanisms in play-to-earn games are important to keep them accessible to poorer players. “You have people that have money, but don’t have the time to play the game, and on the other hand, you have people that don’t have money but have time,” he said.

He sees a future, however, where guild ownership and management could upend the model of wealthy Western players managing those in low-income countries. “Filipinos could band together to buy some assets and then rent them out to themselves and make money that way,” he said.

But he also envisions NFT games that could exploit the wealth gap between players to deliver a different experience. “With the cheap labor of a developing country, you could use people in the Philippines as NPCs (“non-playable characters”), real-life NPCs in your game,” said Kossar. They could “just populate the world, maybe do a random job or just walk back and forth, fishing, telling stories, a shopkeeper, anything is really possible.”

Here's another guy who only takes 40% of what his "kids" earn for him:

quote:

Big Chief framed guilds in play-to-earn gaming as a force for good, arguing that they provide people in poorer parts of the world with an opportunity to make money. “That’s why it’s really annoying when people talk about exploitation,” he said. “I couldn’t tell you what the hourly rate comes to, but I could tell you that people make very little money and the cost of living is very low in the Philippines.”

...

Big Chief said he felt bad for his guild members who were no longer able to make money from Critterz. “I treated a lot of these kids like they’re my kids, so it’s kind of sad now that I can’t really offer them much. Before, I was really helping a lot of these kids, giving them an opportunity to make some extra cash for their families and it just kind of sucks that I can’t really do that right now,” he said.

Just absolute zombies for capitalism.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

oops I did a colonialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6i5Ylu0mgM

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



SettingSun posted:

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

Either this is a good thing, or capitalism is fundamentally reprehensible. The later is inconceivable to them, so the former must be true, even if they are not quite sure how.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
*furiously tapping on a phone screen*

"I'm a job creator"

drk
Jan 16, 2005

SettingSun posted:

Wait are they suggesting they should intentionally exploit the poor for the sake of it? Paying someone to act as an npc rather than just coding one? Jesus.

No, no, they wont be paying them. Their profits are implied from the sick gains of owning a $10k Peasant NFT.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Aramis posted:

Either this is a good thing, or capitalism is fundamentally reprehensible. The later is inconceivable to them, so the former must be true, even if they are not quite sure how.

I think this is the accurate summary of crypto, or as the old adage goes:

when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

I mean, I traded crypto to make money and then exited when legal poo poo hit the fan with crypto in general - by definition, I was not helping the situation. However, I never believed it was some hopeful future solution or some good solution to absolutely anything. A lot of people are stressed out of their mind with the economy, covid, job loss, inflation etc and so they will believe anything that sounds vaguely positive or happy. Even if the positive is at someone else's expense, which is where low quality people present how they maintain the status of being individuals who waste the oxygen they're given.

Basically, stressed out person + loud talker saying they can deliver the promise land, stressed out person thinks and goes "yeah, okay". Nobody else around to tell them they're stupid piece of poo poo for even considering things like blatant colonialism, so here we are.

notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Sep 6, 2022

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
Maybe I’m answering my own question in some way, but if the bitcoin prices are so fake, why don’t they just prop the number up to a round whole 20k instead of having it languish at this psychologically-fraught 19k instead?

Are such a high number of people pulling out that the wash trades (or whatever they’re called) can’t compete? Sorry for such a dumb question but it’s really odd to me.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

buglord posted:

Maybe I’m answering my own question in some way, but if the bitcoin prices are so fake, why don’t they just prop the number up to a round whole 20k instead of having it languish at this psychologically-fraught 19k instead?

Are such a high number of people pulling out that the wash trades (or whatever they’re called) can’t compete? Sorry for such a dumb question but it’s really odd to me.

The way I understand it, there are/were a ton of people who thought "20k is the low, I'll set my buy orders there." So when it got there, the buys were able to keep it afloat. But once it went below, the same thing happens at 19k. If it climbs above it's likely due to tether pumping the price up by flooding the market with buys.

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



buglord posted:

Maybe I’m answering my own question in some way, but if the bitcoin prices are so fake, why don’t they just prop the number up to a round whole 20k instead of having it languish at this psychologically-fraught 19k instead?

Are such a high number of people pulling out that the wash trades (or whatever they’re called) can’t compete? Sorry for such a dumb question but it’s really odd to me.

The wash trades don't really "compete" with real suckers buying in. They just provide an illusion meant to convince them to buy at a higher price. The system cannot work without a constant influx of real money.

notwithoutmyanus posted:

[...]

Basically, stressed out person + loud talker saying they can deliver the promise land, stressed out person thinks and goes "yeah, okay". Nobody else around to tell them they're stupid piece of poo poo for even considering things like blatant colonialism, so here we are.

Nah, they have considered it, and have reached the conclusion that it's a good thing for the exploited, and they should be thankful, really.

Aramis fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Sep 6, 2022

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

Aramis posted:

The wash trades don't really "compete" will real suckers buying in. They just provide an illusion meant to convince them to buy at a higher price. The system cannot work without a constant influx of real money.

Nah, they have considered it, and have reached the conclusion that it's a good thing for the exploited, and they should be thankful, really.

I honestly don't have any argument against that perspective, but yeah.

The reason BTC danced around 20k so long was I guess setting up for the next move. Today, we dropped from 19.7k to 19k in approximately 1 minute flat. Longs from the futures data are insanely large right now so they are getting liquidated - and fueling the move down again. The highest I've seen in almost 2 months.

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Kinda understating since nowadays especially they have to be fully animated in HD, it's really no easier than making any other kind of video game character. They're not bleepbloop little Game Boy games anymore.

spore solved this problem in 2008

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Except less oops more finally

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





hang on to your butts (your real ones not your bitcoins). below 19000

edit: oops someone bought em up

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