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bessantj posted:Yeah, I'm still uneducated about a lot of the transitioning process but after hearing trans people and doctors talk about bits of the process puberty blockers seem like a God send. Why? Because if people were regularly bleeding and experiencing internal pain for any other reason it'd probably be a medical issue, but this one got written off as 'natural'. But then so did endometriosis and death in childbirth and all the other things he'd worked to understand, so why not? He ended up concluding that delaying the reproductive years until a woman wants to have children could have statistically huge effects on breast and ovarian cancers, which has been backed up by more recent research, but it never really took off like convenient family planning did (in part due to the same suspects we see here shouting about 'sterilizing children'). All in all it sounds like a good idea, one that of course should be subject to medical scrutiny and informed consent, but not one directed by outraged howling. (Funnily enough, he got plenty of that from the Catholic clergy when he started the injections in the 60s, but within a decade the massive reductions in the number of dead women, stillbirths, and abortions forced them to concede that either he was at least doing something moral in intent or that they just wanted an excuse to rant about someone, opinions were split but he was left to go about his work. Will terves and GC cultists ever do the same and log off?) e: 24 years ago his work Is Menstruation Obsolete? was praised by The Lancet Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Puberty blockers: That's also my understanding of it. Just done a little reading and confirmed, yeah: They pause the production of estrogen/testosterone. There are different kinds that can work from 1 month to 1 year. They sometimes use them on cis children, as sometimes kids start puberty much earlier than normal and it's better to delay it til the "normal" time. They've been used for about 40 years for this purpose so they're known to be safe.
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Truss certainly coming right out the gate presenting herself as an heir to Johnson: https://twitter.com/tom_gann/status/1567242241084735488?s=21&t=7b_Iwfyza-1xXlwm3kPoYg
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Angepain posted:Believe this was the smoking gun, but it's been suspected for some time, along with some other accounts. a bunch of Much-More-Online-than-me pro-trans tweeters that normally seem reasonable and trustworthy generally take it as established fact from their own experience, so take from that what you will. https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1510409331145154564?t=HvHPmA2HhqKgz0oOi4vnRQ&s=19 (943:2 as of time of posting)
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smellmycheese posted:Lmao. Jonny Mercer’s wife taking his sacking well I agree with her though. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Puberty blockers: very loathe to engage in this topic as I dont know wtf and don't want to offend, but that seems in some ways counter to the sports discussion we had the other day where the agreement seemed to be that after transition pretty much all advantage from a male puberty was voided? But maybe theres other things than sporting performance. I dunno.
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Darth Walrus posted:Truss certainly coming right out the gate presenting herself as an heir to Johnson: Well it's better than that unsourced 'nightmare cabinet' leak which gave it to Zahawi or Sunak or someone similar. Jaeluni Asjil posted:I used to live a bit north of there in Woodside Park. It's maybe 25-45 minutes into central London depending on time of day, persons on the line, signal failures etc. I don't mean you can't live there or anything - I'm just surprised you get profiteering like that even there.
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Private Speech posted:Well it's better than that unsourced 'nightmare cabinet' leak which gave it to Zahawi or Sunak or someone similar. Kwarteng and Truss co-authored Britannia Unchained. This is absolutely a nightmare scenario.
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Truss trying to alienate every wing of the Tory party that didn't support her with her cabinet picks seems like a pretty interesting strategy. I feel like she came up with a plan when she was expected to win a massive majority of the membership and is too thick to have reconsidered it.
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Darth Walrus posted:Kwarteng and Truss co-authored Britannia Unchained. This is absolutely a nightmare scenario. I guess we'll see, but seems more like nationalist drivel than hardcore austerity (even if the employment laws bit is somewhat worrying). e: They're still Tories obviously, but also just leaked a plan to freeze electricity prices increasing the deficit by 5% of GDP. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Truss trying to alienate every wing of the Tory party that didn't support her with her cabinet picks seems like a pretty interesting strategy. I feel like she came up with a plan when she was expected to win a massive majority of the membership and is too thick to have reconsidered it. Or she's just surrounding herself with hardline loyalists because she knows she's the fourth Conservative Prime Minister in six years because her party is a nest of vipers. After a certain point, you have to recognise that a broad church is not, in fact, possible because someone's always going to be trying to burn it down.
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WhatEvil posted:That's also my understanding of it. Yep. This happened to the son of a friend of mine, who both went through early puberty (he was about 9, I think) and had gender issues. It turned out that he wasn't trans, so when he got to the normal age for puberty they stopped the blockers as there was no more need for them. But if he had been they would have continued as part of the transitioning process. It's just a treatment.
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I briefly thought she might be the bigger person and go for a unity cabinet; I have no idea why I thought that.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I briefly thought she might be the bigger person and go for a unity cabinet; I have no idea why I thought that. I think the bits about "yes I absolutely would nuke Moscow" and trying to reignite the hundred years war might have been slight red flags.
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Darth Walrus posted:Kwarteng and Truss co-authored Britannia Unchained. This is absolutely a nightmare scenario. Britannia Unchained definitely sounds like self-published erotica about getting it in the backbench
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Guavanaut posted:I first heard about them from reading works by Elsimar Coutinho (RIP), possibly the world's best gynecologist, who discovered and pioneered injectable contraceptives, massively improved quality of life for poor women in Brazil, researched (and became possibly the world expert in) endometriosis at a time when it was written off as 'women's troubles' by most doctors (still takes too many years to get a diagnosis even in the UK because of this), and then turned his attention to menstruation. Excellent. I'm going to read up on Elsimar Coutinho and puberty blockers for a better understanding. Can then give some back when people start talking crap.
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signs, portents, and oracles all agree: liz truss has received the mandate of heaven
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I wonder if it's discernible when you've stopped scraping the bottom of the barrel and started digging a hole under the barrel?
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What's the over/under on her outlasting May and also the odds against Boris?
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lol you couldn't have selected a worse cabinet Even if you appointed serial killers.
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Oh god, we're going to start getting actual policies soon, aren't we? Christ she is one of the absolute worst possible people to be at the wheel right now, oh god, oh gently caress,
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how the gently caress have I reached the point where I now miss loving Cameron Cameron was loving atrocious and he did everything in his power to kill the poor with six years of austerity, but loving hell, he wasn't a loving fascist like Truss and her crew, just an Etonian gobshite the economic history of Britain since 1979 is the history of Thatcherism, and that wouldn't have changed in the Remain timeline just as it hasn't changed in ours, but surely we wouldn't currently be TERF Island in that timeline
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It's times like this when I'm glad I have a poo poo ton of cannabis at my disposal I honestly don't know how I'd be able to handle any of this poo poo sober We're on a really bad timeline, aren't we?
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Apraxin posted:signs, portents, and oracles all agree: liz truss has received the mandate of heaven She could have William Henry Harrison'd herself if it'd kept raining.
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I wonder how much problem Truss had filling the ministerial posts? I was reading several people turned down Energy Secretary so Rees Bogg is adding it to his portfolio. Braverman and Not-Cleverly are totally thick. I don't know enough about Coffey. And not sure about Kwartang.
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Oh god, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the member for the 18th century, is Business Secretary and navigating us out of the energy crisis is his responsibility. We’re hosed.
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It has been a whole day into the Truss Regime and people are getting nostalgic for Boris. My house has no insulation, draughty windows, and relies 100% on mains gas and electricity. Periodically I look at attempting to tackle this but it's just overwhelming. The house would need so much work and every single improvement is so expensive, incredibly disruptive and messy, and probably wouldn't do much in isolation. The only saving grace is that it's a tiny, 2-bed mid-terrace.
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RDevz posted:Oh god, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the member for the 18th century, is Business Secretary and navigating us out of the energy crisis is his responsibility. We’re hosed. Don't worry, he has a financial stake in loving it all up! https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1567254736461496324
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Money Printer Go Brrrrrr https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/europe-s-lehman-warning-on-energy-prompts-flurry-of-cash-aid/47878814 
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Venomous posted:how the gently caress have I reached the point where I now miss loving Cameron Cameron was nothing more than the delivery mechanism for May, Johnson, and Truss.
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Diet Crack posted:Money Printer Go Brrrrrr Scrolling down that page and squinting at the article where a 22yo argues that only full citizens should have political rights because otherwise people might come from “all over the world”. Switzerland seems like a nice place.
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I'm in germany and the shops are full, everyone is wearing masks on public transport as its just the norm and I sat with some friends by the Alster and drank beer looking at the water with lots of strangers on various seats. It was lovely.  Hardly a perfect place, but it reminds me to take a step back and stop spiralling over how poo poo the uk govt is as it continues to find new depths to bust through. Don't lose hope goons. There are good places and good people and with solidarity we'll get through this. Ps. Join a union.
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Goddamn I miss Germany especially the masks on public transport, because goddamn, I take the bus and tram to work most every day in Edinburgh and hardly anyone wears masks anywhere nowadays and yeah, as you say, Germany has its problems (Friedrich Merz being the most pressing problem atm), but at least it's not Britain
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Darth Walrus posted:After a certain point, you have to recognise that a broad church is not, in fact, possible because someone's always going to be trying to burn it down. Varg Vikernes as new Tory PM when?
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Venomous posted:how the gently caress have I reached the point where I now miss loving Cameron Congratulations on the man who inserted his cock in a pig being the least awful PM in a decade. I don't think anyone would've believe it possible.
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Mebh posted:Don't lose hope goons. There are good places and good people yeah but not in the UK edit: sorry, sorry, watching another actively malicious group of cunts gleefully take control of the sinking ship has not put me in a great place this week. Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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