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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

My Twitter feed is full of poo poo about the Don't Worry Darling press releases, but it's all a big gobbledygook web of interdependent references so I can't really post a punchy one here

but apparently Jerry Seinfeld and Kim Kardashian both made some odd personal decisions if you guys care about that

https://twitter.com/EJ_Santana/status/1567199014755377154

https://twitter.com/erinisaway/status/1567193564274393090

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Pete Davidson must be stopped.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


loquacius posted:

My Twitter feed is full of poo poo about the Don't Worry Darling press releases, but it's all a big gobbledygook web of interdependent references so I can't really post a punchy one here

but apparently Jerry Seinfeld and Kim Kardashian both made some odd personal decisions if you guys care about that

https://twitter.com/EJ_Santana/status/1567199014755377154

https://twitter.com/erinisaway/status/1567193564274393090

grandma couch rear end jacket

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

fwiw there absolutely is truth to the idea that genetics determine your tendency for fat retention and natural “resting weight” but like, it’s nothing that can’t be overcome with mild diet control and absolutely nobody has a genetic predisposition to being 400lbs and unable to climb stairs

"mild diet control" goes out the window once your body's metabolism is hosed. my aunt was on a 1500 calorie liquid diet for three months before her insurance approved bariatric surgery and averaged about .1% of body weight lost per week by the end of the 12 week period. maybe a neighbor was sneaking her McDonald's (she was housebound at that point, and this was pre Uber) but studies have been done on lab mice with similar results. it looks like poorly-understood epigenetic factors play a big role that I’m sure environmental pollutants like microplastics exacerbate

significant calorie restriction along with a combined strength + endurance exercise program works for pretty much all obese people unless it's a tumor situation, so there wouldn't be any fat people in a concentration camp. but it's very difficult to incorporate one or the other into your daily routine, let alone both at the same time. PS the surgery worked and she's so in-shape now it's annoying

indigi has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Sep 6, 2022

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Kim ew. why would you do that

Femur
Jan 10, 2004
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP
Mid live divorces.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

indigi posted:

Kim ew. why would you do that

The main problem is the eyebrows IMO. Just have brows that don't match your hair like everyone else that has ever "gone blonde"

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

loquacius posted:

The main problem is the eyebrows IMO. Just have brows that don't match your hair like everyone else that has ever "gone blonde"

the eyebrows are the worst part but that harsh of blonde doesn't work with her skin tone imo. if she'd gone like normal human blond it would have been ok probably

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFqgmaO15x4

idk i dont dig the netflix cinematography but they knocked it out of the park on casting the main character

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


he should play dr caligari

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

RandolphCarter posted:

grandma couch rear end jacket

CaptainBeefart
Mar 28, 2016


All I remember from Shallow Hal is when Jason Alexander shows his little tail :3:

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Bro Dad posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFqgmaO15x4

idk i dont dig the netflix cinematography but they knocked it out of the park on casting the main character

it's always a pleasure to watch German troops lose

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

RandolphCarter posted:

grandma couch rear end jacket

gently caress, I'd wear the hell out of that Jacket. But I have terrible fashion sense.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

Pete Davidson must be stopped.

yeah he sucks and women being into him is the biggest l they have ever taken

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Krull is a really good movie

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

indigi posted:

Kim ew. why would you do that

It's like she went into the salon and asked for the "Edgar Winter" look

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Riot Bimbo posted:

Krull is a really good movie

that movie really creeped me out as a kid, especially the cyclops guy with the trident and the fire mares

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

loquacius posted:

The main problem is the eyebrows IMO. Just have brows that don't match your hair like everyone else that has ever "gone blonde"

Matt Smith's character has this look in HOT D and I hate it. For as much as people ribbed the original GOT for Emilia Clarke having dark eyebrows against white-blond hair it was for sure the correct call.

loquacius posted:

My Twitter feed is full of poo poo about the Don't Worry Darling press releases, but it's all a big gobbledygook web of interdependent references so I can't really post a punchy one here

I kept seeing pictures of Chris Pine looking miserable at a press junket and thought he was already making the rounds for the D&D movie lol. But it apparently is to do with this movie?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

He hates Harry Styles and Florence Pugh hates Olivia Wilde and that's most of what I can piece together

Femur
Jan 10, 2004
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP
Olivia supposedly bullied her hard for getting Harry's attention.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

Olivia Wilde told the press she fired Shia for being unreliable and he nuked her from orbit and shared a video of her begging him to re-join the production, assuring him that she had smoothed things over with Florence Pugh

https://twitter.com/popbase/status/1563278837852450817

the conflict between Shia and Florence apparently being over the fact that Shia is an abuser. what a mess lol

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Tankbuster posted:

Lovecraft wrote pulpy stuff for magazines that kept circulating after his death in a time of plenty for americans. I like reading his work, especially about the city with the cats that vibe.

If you were gonna write a warmed over Tolkien take Robert E. Howard is the more obvious comparison because he was mostly a fantasy writer like Tolkien and is way more overtly racist in his stories than Lovecraft ever was. Like you can't go two pages in a Conan story without some unvarnished racist descriptions of people. And so far as I know he never second guessed his racism before he died like Lovecraft did.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
I regret to inform everyone that the Rings of Power is a "fine" show and no worse or better than any fantasy schlock you can find these days

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Any racism within the actual text of Lovecraft's stories is wrapped in metaphor, like how A Shadow Over Innsmouth and Rats In The Walls are about the existential horror he felt upon discovering his own lineage was not 100% pure Anglo-Saxon

Oh and he named a cat a racial slur

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


loquacius posted:

Any racism within the actual text of Lovecraft's stories is wrapped in metaphor, like how A Shadow Over Innsmouth and Rats In The Walls are about the existential horror he felt upon discovering his own lineage was not 100% pure Anglo-Saxon

Oh and he named a cat a racial slur

besides his incredibly explicitly racist poetry, “cool air” is a good counter-example

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

loquacius posted:

The Wall…
. . .
Oh and he named a cat a racial slur

just remembered there’s a dog named after a racial slur in The Wall. drat

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

double negative posted:

besides his incredibly explicitly racist poetry, “cool air” is a good counter-example

I have read neither of these but would easily believe it

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021

I finally got around to watching The Expanse and I absolutely love it. Are the books worth reading in addition to the TV show?

I'm so glad it wasn't boring anime poo poo like Planetes

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
It's been ages since I read Lovecraft but from what I remember he was more overtly racist in earlier stories like "The Terrible Old Man" or "The Street." There's also "The Horror at Red Hook" too. There's probably a lot more that I've forgotten though. Imo he's worthwhile for like four stories but you're better off reading the authors who influenced him. Supernatural Horror in Literature is still a good exegesis on horror fiction as well as a solid weird fiction reading list.

Les Os
Mar 29, 2010
I was just reading some letters between Howard and Lovecraft from the early 1930s and let me tell you they were not fans of Jews

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender

mawarannahr posted:

just remembered there’s a dog named after a racial slur in The Wall. drat
Well, there's a dog named that in The Dam Busters and clips are played in The Wall. They still chose to include it, and there are arguments that its meant to show the background radiation-like racism Pink absorbed through his British upbringing before he blossoms into a full-blown fascist.

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


racism was a pretty central part of lovecraft's work and it's too bad lovecraft country was so lame cause there's plenty to work with there and instead they just wasted jonathan majors' drat time

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

what did Lovecraft name his cat?

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

double negative posted:

racism was a pretty central part of lovecraft's work and it's too bad lovecraft country was so lame cause there's plenty to work with there and instead they just wasted jonathan majors' drat time

that show went from interesting to complete dogshit trash in like a span of 1 episode, incredible

ive seen very few shows nosedive as fast

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Xaris posted:

that show went from interesting to complete dogshit trash in like a span of 1 episode, incredible

ive seen very few shows nosedive as fast

I think I gave up 4 episodes in since the third was the fun kind of cheesy horror anthology stuff but then the next one outright sucked again and I lost interest

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

double negative posted:

racism was a pretty central part of lovecraft's work and it's too bad lovecraft country was so lame cause there's plenty to work with there and instead they just wasted jonathan majors' drat time

I completely forgot about this show lol. Yeah I remember really liking the first episode and then they took the show in a largely different direction after that. Oh well!

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Les Os posted:

I was just reading some letters between Howard and Lovecraft from the early 1930s and let me tell you they were not fans of Jews

Kinda lol given Lovecraft's wife was a Jew and she had to casually remind him of that after he went into rants

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

I regret to inform everyone that the Rings of Power is a "fine" show and no worse or better than any fantasy schlock you can find these days

It doesn't have henry cavill in leather doing anime style swordfighting.

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

double negative posted:

racism was a pretty central part of lovecraft's work and it's too bad lovecraft country was so lame cause there's plenty to work with there and instead they just wasted jonathan majors' drat time

The Ballad of Black Tom was a better riff on racism in Lovecraft. It's also probably where I got the idea that Lovecraft's conception of civilization is close to Afro-pessimism.

Lovecraft was racist, but in a sort of unique fashion compared to other pulp writers at the time. I personally find some Howard stories unreadable because of racist descriptions. Lovecraft's use of narrators at the edge of sanity or recalling traumatic events softens the blow of some of the more explicit racism. Lovecraft even plays with this, when he has the protagonist of The Shadow Over Innsmouth embrace being a fishman.

quote:

So far I have not shot myself as my uncle Douglas did. I bought an automatic and almost took the step, but certain dreams deterred me. The tense extremes of horror are lessening, and I feel queerly drawn toward the unknown sea-deeps instead of fearing them. I hear and do strange things in sleep, and awake with a kind of exaltation instead of terror. I do not believe I need to wait for the full change as most have waited. If I did, my father would probably shut me up in a sanitarium as my poor little cousin is shut up. Stupendous and unheard-of splendours await me below, and I shall seek them soon. Iä-R’lyeh! Cthulhu fhtagn! Iä! Iä! No, I shall not shoot myself—I cannot be made to shoot myself!

I shall plan my cousin’s escape from that Canton madhouse, and together we shall go to marvel-shadowed Innsmouth. We shall swim out to that brooding reef in the sea and dive down through black abysses to Cyclopean and many-columned Y’ha-nthlei, and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory for ever.

Like, this is definitely supposed to be a moment of horror. But it opens the possibility that the narrator is actually making a healthy choice when he learns a secret about his heritage. In the story "Facts concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family," Lovecraft kills off the character who finds out he's the descendent of an African white ape.

Even in the latter more cosmic stories where Lovecraft introduces aliens that the narrators have respect for, there's interesting poo poo to dig into with regards to US views on race and power.

Lovecraft has the narrator of At the Mountains of Madness describe the Old Ones as having a government that was "evidently complex and probably socialistic, though no certainties in this regard could be deduced from the sculptures we saw." Which is extremely funny because Lovecraft has Old One civilization be based on shoggoth slave labor.

There's a few passages from The Shadow out of Time which I think are notable too.

quote:

What was hinted in the speech of post-human entities of the fate of mankind produced such an effect on me that I will not set it down here. After man there would be the mighty beetle civilisation, the bodies of whose members the cream of the Great Race would seize when the monstrous doom overtook the elder world.
...
Markedly defective individuals were quietly disposed of as soon as their defects were noticed. Disease and the approach of death were, in the absence of a sense of touch or of physical pain, recognised by purely visual symptoms. The dead were incinerated with dignified ceremonies. Once in a while, as before mentioned, a keen mind would escape death by forward projection in time; but such cases were not numerous. When one did occur, the exiled mind from the future was treated with the utmost kindness till the dissolution of its unfamiliar tenement.

The Great Race seemed to form a single loosely knit nation or league, with major institutions in common, though there were four definite divisions. The political and economic system of each unit was a sort of fascistic socialism, with major resources rationally distributed, and power delegated to a small governing board elected by the votes of all able to pass certain educational and psychological tests.
...
An enormous army, using camera-like weapons which produced tremendous electrical effects, was kept on hand for purposes seldom mentioned, but obviously connected with the ceaseless fear of the dark, windowless elder ruins and of the great sealed trap-doors in the lowest subterrene levels.

This fear of the basalt ruins and trap-doors was largely a matter of unspoken suggestion—or, at most, of furtive quasi-whispers. Everything specific which bore on it was significantly absent from such books as were on the common shelves. It was the one subject lying altogether under a taboo among the Great Race, and seemed to be connected alike with horrible bygone struggles, and with that future peril which would some day force the race to send its keener minds ahead en masse in time. Imperfect and fragmentary as were the other things presented by dreams and legends, this matter was still more bafflingly shrouded. The vague old myths avoided it—or perhaps all allusions had for some reason been excised. And in the dreams of myself and others, the hints were peculiarly few. Members of the Great Race never intentionally referred to the matter, and what could be gleaned came only from some of the more sharply observant captive minds.

According to these scraps of information, the basis of the fear was a horrible elder race of half-polypous, utterly alien entities which had come through space from immeasurably distant universes and had dominated the earth and three other solar planets about six hundred million years ago. They were only partly material—as we understand matter—and their type of consciousness and media of perception differed wholly from those of terrestrial organisms. For example, their senses did not include that of sight; their mental world being a strange, non-visual pattern of impressions. They were, however, sufficiently material to use implements of normal matter when in cosmic areas containing it; and they required housing—albeit of a peculiar kind. Though their senses could penetrate all material barriers, their substance could not; and certain forms of electrical energy could wholly destroy them. They had the power of aërial motion despite the absence of wings or any other visible means of levitation. Their minds were of such texture that no exchange with them could be effected by the Great Race.

When these things had come to the earth they had built mighty basalt cities of windowless towers, and had preyed horribly upon the beings they found. Thus it was when the minds of the Great Race sped across the void from that obscure trans-galactic world known in the disturbing and debatable Eltdown Shards as Yith. The newcomers, with the instruments they created, had found it easy to subdue the predatory entities and drive them down to those caverns of inner earth which they had already joined to their abodes and begun to inhabit. Then they had sealed the entrances and left them to their fate, afterward occupying most of their great cities and preserving certain important buildings for reasons connected more with superstition than with indifference, boldness, or scientific and historical zeal.

But as the aeons passed, there came vague, evil signs that the Elder Things were growing strong and numerous in the inner world.

The Great Race (goddamn that name) are the best colonizers in the universe. They not only take over land, they take over the minds and bodies of the colonized. Their worst enemy is a civilization they tried and failed to exterminate. These fascistic socialists are so terrified about this oppressed race rising up that they refuse to openly discuss the issue, despite it's inevitability shaping the whole structure of their current society.

This post is more a collection of notes than a specific thesis. Basically Lovecraft was a racist and created racist works, but they are still very interesting works to engage with, especially from a critical perspective. It helps that he was a failson who didn't have much power over people.

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