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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Best use of the shared inventory slot is the copper salvager and the revive orbs. Just so you can actually get rid of them.

Also I cannot believe how bone-headed/rude it is that they only have account-wide build templates. Because, you know, when you make an alt it's usually the same class as your main.

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Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


I'm finally getting Ascended stuff on my mains and it really sucks how much it takes to make/buy them.

Yeah, yeah I know it is worth it but I don't have any crafters at a high enough level and I just want to do it now.

Nm: Got leather working to 500, at least.

Inzombiac fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 6, 2022

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
I haven't played this in forever, god drat there is a lot to to do

I finished my personal story but promptly make a herald and made it level 80, clicks with me better.

So I think my plans are:

1. Finish the story
2. Work on Fractals and getting agony resist
3. Level up WvW and especially get my Warclaw mount
4. Figure out how to make money so I can level up crafting easier

I did skip living world season 1 and 2, but I think I'm going to go back to them eventually. I just really wanted to get the glider.

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


eonwe posted:

I haven't played this in forever, god drat there is a lot to to do

I finished my personal story but promptly make a herald and made it level 80, clicks with me better.

So I think my plans are:

1. Finish the story
2. Work on Fractals and getting agony resist
3. Level up WvW and especially get my Warclaw mount
4. Figure out how to make money so I can level up crafting easier

I did skip living world season 1 and 2, but I think I'm going to go back to them eventually. I just really wanted to get the glider.

Now that you have a level 80 the easiest things to do just to get some liquid gold in your bank are:

Do your daily quests every day--you get a flat 2 gold for finishing these and it's stuff like "do any 4 events in Mt Maelstrom" or "view any vista in the Orr region." They'll guide you towards map completion and put some extra materials in your pocket along the way.

Fight Tequatl the Sunless once a day. It's a fun huge world boss, our guilds do it together every day at reset which is a big party, and drops another couple flat gold on top of whatever drops you get.

Fractals will be good gold as you progress. You can also honestly just hop into your bank/material storage and sell any materials you aren't using right now. You'll net a ton of gold and you can always buy them back the same way later on.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

Mover posted:

Fight Tequatl the Sunless once a day. It's a fun huge world boss, our guilds do it together every day at reset which is a big party, and drops another couple flat gold on top of whatever drops you get.

We also do the legendary ley-line anomaly (aka naked man) right afterward in Timberline Falls, which gets you a mystic coin. They're not worth as much as they were before, now that gen 3 legendaries don't need them, but it's still a decent chunk of money for relatively little time and effort.

One thing to note is that the way it goes after daily reset is very different from how the encounter is designed. It's supposed to be a tedious slog of chasing the anomaly around the map and chipping away at it during burn phases, but there's such a mad rush after reset that it always gets one-burned—so fast, in fact, that it can be hard getting gold participation credit, though you'll always end up with a mystic coin for the first LLA of the day as long as you do a little bit of damage

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



jokes posted:

Best use of the shared inventory slot is the copper salvager and the revive orbs. Just so you can actually get rid of them.

Also I cannot believe how bone-headed/rude it is that they only have account-wide build templates. Because, you know, when you make an alt it's usually the same class as your main.

There's character build templates, you get 3 by default.

You get 2 equipment templates by default as well, and they actually store the gear (so, out of your inventory) which is pretty handy.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Mover posted:

Now that you have a level 80 the easiest things to do just to get some liquid gold in your bank are:

Do your daily quests every day--you get a flat 2 gold for finishing these and it's stuff like "do any 4 events in Mt Maelstrom" or "view any vista in the Orr region." They'll guide you towards map completion and put some extra materials in your pocket along the way.

Fight Tequatl the Sunless once a day. It's a fun huge world boss, our guilds do it together every day at reset which is a big party, and drops another couple flat gold on top of whatever drops you get.

Fractals will be good gold as you progress. You can also honestly just hop into your bank/material storage and sell any materials you aren't using right now. You'll net a ton of gold and you can always buy them back the same way later on.

Excellent! Thank you

Tambaloneus
Feb 5, 2007

I miss my cat someone buy me a kitten.

Are there any other bosses that drop cash gold? I didn't know teq did, so if I add that to my rotation with dailies & dragonstorm I'd be up to 6 a day. I'm at the point in the legendary crafting process where I'm scrounging for the stacks of t6 that I need, and farming them is way more boring than doing events and potentially getting other stuff from the rewards too. Oh when I think about how many t6 I have sold in the past for gems. Anyway I'm halfway there on most of the stacks but those 4 gold a day come in handy.

Also if you see me in wvw feel free to smoke my rear end I'm literally only there for the reward track that gives dungeon tokens, I couldn't care less how often I get wrecked. Get some easy points.

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



Mover posted:

Now that you have a level 80 the easiest things to do just to get some liquid gold in your bank are:

Do your daily quests every day--you get a flat 2 gold for finishing these and it's stuff like "do any 4 events in Mt Maelstrom" or "view any vista in the Orr region." They'll guide you towards map completion and put some extra materials in your pocket along the way.

Fight Tequatl the Sunless once a day. It's a fun huge world boss, our guilds do it together every day at reset which is a big party, and drops another couple flat gold on top of whatever drops you get.

Fractals will be good gold as you progress. You can also honestly just hop into your bank/material storage and sell any materials you aren't using right now. You'll net a ton of gold and you can always buy them back the same way later on.

Does this Teq boss require a good build or any real talent other than spamming attack? Asking for a friend lol.

Also, what time is the reset every day?

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

drat Dirty Ape posted:

Does this Teq boss require a good build or any real talent other than spamming attack? Asking for a friend lol.

Also, what time is the reset every day?

There are so many people doing Tequatl at reset that it really doesn't matter what you bring. You might get downed if you're bad at jumping shockwaves or stepping out of AoEs, but you'll still get credit.

Daily reset is at midnight UTC, so your local reset time might vary with the seasons. Here on the west coast of the US, it's currently 5:00 pm every day, but in the winter months it's at 4:00 pm

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Abroham Lincoln posted:

There's character build templates, you get 3 by default.

You get 2 equipment templates by default as well, and they actually store the gear (so, out of your inventory) which is pretty handy.

The build templates are account wide so if you have 3 guardian builds your warriors don’t get poo poo

Flytitle
Nov 12, 2012

Tambaloneus posted:

Are there any other bosses that drop cash gold? I didn't know teq did, so if I add that to my rotation with dailies & dragonstorm I'd be up to 6 a day. I'm at the point in the legendary crafting process where I'm scrounging for the stacks of t6 that I need, and farming them is way more boring than doing events and potentially getting other stuff from the rewards too. Oh when I think about how many t6 I have sold in the past for gems. Anyway I'm halfway there on most of the stacks but those 4 gold a day come in handy.

The core only bosses you want are Triple Trouble--show up around the top of the hour or earlier when it's on the timer, since maps can easily fill before escort RN--and Ley Line Anomaly, which drops a Mystic Coin that can be sold for a little less then a gold RN, or used to craft clovers for legendaries. Triple Trouble is a bit lengthy, but has a guild organized group for every slot in NA right now, 2 on the 2nd slot after reset, and gives that 2g. And you could either sell the slightly devalued MC or horde for your next round of clovers.

If you have a lot of mithril and etc rattling around, you could try crafting the extra into Research Note fodder, as well--since you proly have a bunch of T5 if you're not upconverting.

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



jokes posted:

The build templates are account wide so if you have 3 guardian builds your warriors don’t get poo poo



These ones are per character, the ones on the left are per account

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



404notfound posted:

There are so many people doing Tequatl at reset that it really doesn't matter what you bring. You might get downed if you're bad at jumping shockwaves or stepping out of AoEs, but you'll still get credit.

Daily reset is at midnight UTC, so your local reset time might vary with the seasons. Here on the west coast of the US, it's currently 5:00 pm every day, but in the winter months it's at 4:00 pm

Hey thanks I actually got in on it tonight and got my gold + other random junk and like you said there were so many people around everything died pretty quickly.


eonwe posted:

I haven't played this in forever, god drat there is a lot to to do

I finished my personal story but promptly make a herald and made it level 80, clicks with me better.

So I think my plans are:

1. Finish the story
2. Work on Fractals and getting agony resist
3. Level up WvW and especially get my Warclaw mount
4. Figure out how to make money so I can level up crafting easier

I did skip living world season 1 and 2, but I think I'm going to go back to them eventually. I just really wanted to get the glider.

I'm working on the warclaw too and I recommend whenever possible doing your WvW dailies since the chests give you potions that seem to make the track advance a lot more quickly.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
I'm very nearly done with the warclaw stuff. Probably tomorrow or so. I have 10 pips left on it or so. yesterday I got 20, today I got 10. Went surprisingly fast - captured a few towers and 3 keeps and got tons of mats that I also sold

Tambaloneus
Feb 5, 2007

I miss my cat someone buy me a kitten.

Oh I'm upconverting every t5 I can, I had tonnes of dust handy due to having shitonnes of ectos from salvaging everything because selling it is two more clicks and I am lazy. So far I haven't had to buy too much t6 outright, been getting the trophy shipment things on the l4 maps and suchlike. Its just those last fifty or so of each really. And the bloody leather, although at least I can upcycle that too (in 250 bit lots) Plus the bunch I got from making the clovers and various other 'free' options. I didn't have an of the once off crafting bags either so all those added up.

People tell me it's possible to get anything other than a rusty spoon outta teq but I've yet to see that happen to me ever. They'll introduce a screenshot taking home instance studio before anything good drops for me outta teq.

Residual Toast
Nov 19, 2007
The Toast with the Most

404notfound posted:

We also do the legendary ley-line anomaly (aka naked man) right afterward in Timberline Falls, which gets you a mystic coin. They're not worth as much as they were before, now that gen 3 legendaries don't need them, but it's still a decent chunk of money for relatively little time and effort.

One thing to note is that the way it goes after daily reset is very different from how the encounter is designed. It's supposed to be a tedious slog of chasing the anomaly around the map and chipping away at it during burn phases, but there's such a mad rush after reset that it always gets one-burned—so fast, in fact, that it can be hard getting gold participation credit, though you'll always end up with a mystic coin for the first LLA of the day as long as you do a little bit of damage

in addition to the mystic coin, he also drops a 50 silver piece of vendor trash as well, making him an even better deal, especially for the couple-minute or so time commitment

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

Inzombiac posted:

I'm finally getting Ascended stuff on my mains and it really sucks how much it takes to make/buy them.

Yeah, yeah I know it is worth it but I don't have any crafters at a high enough level and I just want to do it now.

Nm: Got leather working to 500, at least.

Having 500 crafting skills is handy to have, my suggestion is just get good gear/a good build on 1-2 characters and try your hand at raids/fractal dailies and cm's and the very easy weekly strike missions.

Raids in particular vomit ascended items at you for doing a <5 minute boss fight and really aren't as daunting and complicated as they are made out to be, the only hard part is finding 9 other people who know what they are doing and can fill some niche builds and knowledge checks for certain fights.

Wings 1-4 are particularly easy and quick to run through with a semi experienced group, if that is still too daunting you can just do the weekly wing with the 50% increased stat bonuses as you learn.

Teq/Triple Trouble/Drakkar can also give you the occasional rare ascended box for a low effort zerg option and ascended weapons are plentiful from specialization collections.

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
Doing the PoF and EoD collections gives you cheap ascended weapons

HampHamp
Oct 30, 2006
Started playing this yesterday, I'm a little confused about the best way to get the story content. I'm using the free account, and will be looking to get all the expansions - I'm just not sure how the living story stuff fits into it.

I'm playing mostly for the story stuff, so would like to have access to them all, do I need to buy the most expensive pack for that? Someone mentioned about them being free under certain circumstances.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

Tambaloneus posted:

Are there any other bosses that drop cash gold? I didn't know teq did, so if I add that to my rotation with dailies & dragonstorm I'd be up to 6 a day. I'm at the point in the legendary crafting process where I'm scrounging for the stacks of t6 that I need, and farming them is way more boring than doing events and potentially getting other stuff from the rewards too. Oh when I think about how many t6 I have sold in the past for gems. Anyway I'm halfway there on most of the stacks but those 4 gold a day come in handy.

Also if you see me in wvw feel free to smoke my rear end I'm literally only there for the reward track that gives dungeon tokens, I couldn't care less how often I get wrecked. Get some easy points.

Here is a list of "daily" stuff I've been doing to make a steady income of gold, skip any you lack the unlocks or patience for:

Meta timer zerg stuff:
At reset Tequatl > Leyline man in timberlane and gathering everything before it spawns > TD Teku Nuhoch waypoint for treasure mushroom right before Chak Gerant > AB Eastwatch waypoint for treasure mushroom right before AB meta > Grothmar valley for the ooze boss for a 2g key > Time for Dragonstorm right after ooze dies to end the run.
Another event chain to keep an eye out for is Karka queen (check for blooming flowers on the minimap for 25s each) > Verdant brink night bosses, can camp for the matriarch above the middle waypoint early with a skyscale > Pinata in crystal desert if instance isn't full, doomlore shrine is another event that takes a minute to do after showing up late and gets you 1g.

Then just keep an eye on lfg for dragonfall/dragonend which give 4g/15g in materials for the boss kill and dragonfall is very high gold/hour from all those chests and events.

None-meta timer stuff for daily gold:

Drizzlewood coast vendor to buy cheap keys and trade cheap materials towards mystic clovers and mats.
Home instance gathering and converting 25 quartz to charged quartz and Guild hall gathering and using converters to turn HoT materials and ascended mats into loot bags (hot converter is a lot of gold return usually)
Park alts you don't play regularly at valuable jumping puzzles chests (use teleports to friends if they are piling up) and loot them each day.
Dailies, Daily PvP and WvW can be quicker then most PvE dailies and more rewarding, if you don't like pvping much save the reward potions for "daily reward earner"
While waiting for Pinata, use griffon/skyscale to reach the rich quartz vein and then fly over to Sanctum of Nabkha to loot the chests there, afterwards head to Tomb of Primeval kings to grab the chests there.
While waiting for Drakkar, hit up the red > green > blue large/medium essence chests, with griffon/skyscale it takes a few minutes to open all of them and it's a lot of valuable materials.
Flax farms across HoT and S3 are pretty decent gold for the time it takes to reach them and harvest them.
There are 3 Grand/Magnificent chests in the Echovald eastern treetops that give 1-2 jade runestones each and only take a couple minutes to reach via skyscale/griffon I like to hit up.
Killing 10 krait a day for the sunken key is pretty good gold.


And here is probably the fastest gold in the list:
Check Seitung Province LFG for "Levi Farm" you can make around 20g/day from killing 10 leviathans that show up in seitung/kaineng, usually if you see someone in subgroup 2 there is one up right now, you can kill 2 per map instance before you need to either swap characters or do a event to reset your ambergris limit.
Fishing in general is really really high gold/hour if you are maxed out for it and check what baits you need, do a bit of fishing in the downtime during metas, get lucky and get 2g+ per legendary fish.
And be sure you rush the end of the Arborstone mastery track for Globalization so you can grab 5 summoning stones each week that are worth 6g each or doing weekly EoD strikes for the green shards to buy 10 mystic coins per week and lotsa liquid gold for all 4 strikes.


According to gw2effiency doing this has been a steady climb since I started playing again.

Ort
Jul 3, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Here is a list of "daily" stuff I've been doing to make a steady income of gold, skip any you lack the unlocks or patience for:

Meta timer zerg stuff:
At reset Tequatl > Leyline man in timberlane and gathering everything before it spawns > TD Teku Nuhoch waypoint for treasure mushroom right before Chak Gerant > AB Eastwatch waypoint for treasure mushroom right before AB meta > Grothmar valley for the ooze boss for a 2g key > Time for Dragonstorm right after ooze dies to end the run.
Another event chain to keep an eye out for is Karka queen (check for blooming flowers on the minimap for 25s each) > Verdant brink night bosses, can camp for the matriarch above the middle waypoint early with a skyscale > Pinata in crystal desert if instance isn't full, doomlore shrine is another event that takes a minute to do after showing up late and gets you 1g.

Then just keep an eye on lfg for dragonfall/dragonend which give 4g/15g in materials for the boss kill and dragonfall is very high gold/hour from all those chests and events.

None-meta timer stuff for daily gold:

Drizzlewood coast vendor to buy cheap keys and trade cheap materials towards mystic clovers and mats.
Home instance gathering and converting 25 quartz to charged quartz and Guild hall gathering and using converters to turn HoT materials and ascended mats into loot bags (hot converter is a lot of gold return usually)
Park alts you don't play regularly at valuable jumping puzzles chests (use teleports to friends if they are piling up) and loot them each day.
Dailies, Daily PvP and WvW can be quicker then most PvE dailies and more rewarding, if you don't like pvping much save the reward potions for "daily reward earner"
While waiting for Pinata, use griffon/skyscale to reach the rich quartz vein and then fly over to Sanctum of Nabkha to loot the chests there, afterwards head to Tomb of Primeval kings to grab the chests there.
While waiting for Drakkar, hit up the red > green > blue large/medium essence chests, with griffon/skyscale it takes a few minutes to open all of them and it's a lot of valuable materials.
Flax farms across HoT and S3 are pretty decent gold for the time it takes to reach them and harvest them.
There are 3 Grand/Magnificent chests in the Echovald eastern treetops that give 1-2 jade runestones each and only take a couple minutes to reach via skyscale/griffon I like to hit up.
Killing 10 krait a day for the sunken key is pretty good gold.


And here is probably the fastest gold in the list:
Check Seitung Province LFG for "Levi Farm" you can make around 20g/day from killing 10 leviathans that show up in seitung/kaineng, usually if you see someone in subgroup 2 there is one up right now, you can kill 2 per map instance before you need to either swap characters or do a event to reset your ambergris limit.
Fishing in general is really really high gold/hour if you are maxed out for it and check what baits you need, do a bit of fishing in the downtime during metas, get lucky and get 2g+ per legendary fish.
And be sure you rush the end of the Arborstone mastery track for Globalization so you can grab 5 summoning stones each week that are worth 6g each or doing weekly EoD strikes for the green shards to buy 10 mystic coins per week and lotsa liquid gold for all 4 strikes.


According to gw2effiency doing this has been a steady climb since I started playing again.


There is some good stuff in here I didn’t know about, thank you! I usually play for 2 hours most days a week from like 3-5 central time so the stuff off of event timers is nice to know about.

Mr. Neutron
Sep 15, 2012

~I'M THE BEST~

HampHamp posted:

Started playing this yesterday, I'm a little confused about the best way to get the story content. I'm using the free account, and will be looking to get all the expansions - I'm just not sure how the living story stuff fits into it.

If you are playing on Steam and you want everything, you need to purchase the full package (100 euros). That will get you everything.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

HampHamp posted:

Started playing this yesterday, I'm a little confused about the best way to get the story content. I'm using the free account, and will be looking to get all the expansions - I'm just not sure how the living story stuff fits into it.

I'm playing mostly for the story stuff, so would like to have access to them all, do I need to buy the most expensive pack for that? Someone mentioned about them being free under certain circumstances.
Between expansions, the story continued through living world seasons. After the launch story, living world season 1 was supposed to take over in a FOMO-inducing temporary format which got scrapped because it was poo poo, then living world season 2 was leading to the Heart of Thorns expansion, while season 3 covered the aftermath of HoT and the introduction of new story threads for the Path of Fire expansion. Season 4 continued where the PoF story left off and led to "season 5" or rather to The Icebrood Saga, supposed to replace expansions while everyone at ArenaNet was busy chasing different projects that all got killed and oops, they had to make another actual expansion (End of Dragons). Right now they're in the process of re-releasing most of season 1 as standalone, replayable episodes.

Access to living world to F2P players has been one of the weaker parts of this game's marketing IMO. Since season 2 the format has been that you get the episodes for free if you log in while it's active, that included the reruns with "return to X" achievements last year (leading up to the End of Dragons release). Outside of these windows you have to pay the living world seasons seperately, either by buying single episodes from the story tab or by buying full season packs. Steam comes with a complete edition that has everything from release to End of Dragons, or a Living World DLC package that includes all seasons I assume (I can't check it out, without GW2 on Steam it won't load for me), but you can't use that with a normal ArenaNet account.

For regular (non-Steam) GW2 accounts they sell the old expansions as a package, the latest expansion is sold seperately, and the living world seasons are on the gem store, and they occasionally go on sale (scroll down to the gem store history to see when the last one happened):
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_Season_2_Complete_Pack
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_Season_3_Complete_Pack
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_Season_4_Complete_Pack
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Icebrood_Saga_Complete_Pack

So to play the complete story without the Steam complete edition, you'd have to:
  • Finish the level 1-80 story in the core game (free).
  • Play through the LS1 re-release episodes that are now being worked on. Per ArenaNet "Living World Season 1 episodes will be free additions to the core game and available to all players, permanently.
  • Buy and play the LS2 season pack.
  • Buy the HoT+PoF expansion bundle and play through the HoT story.
  • Buy and play the LS3 season pack.
  • Play through the PoF expansion story.
  • Buy and play the LS4 season pack.
  • Buy and play the IBS season pack.
  • Buy End of Dragon expansion for its story.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Was there an expectation of being geared for endgame when the living world seasons started? It's taking way too long to murder things in the first episodes and holy poo poo the duo boss fight was a slog.

I've only got a full set of exotic gear from the level 80 boost and that seemed to be enough for the base campaign.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


HampHamp posted:

Started playing this yesterday, I'm a little confused about the best way to get the story content. I'm using the free account, and will be looking to get all the expansions - I'm just not sure how the living story stuff fits into it.

I'm playing mostly for the story stuff, so would like to have access to them all, do I need to buy the most expensive pack for that? Someone mentioned about them being free under certain circumstances.

Living story varies, the early ones were more like bridges between the expansions that helped introduce new characters and wind up to the main threats, the last couple are pretty major stories, comparable to expansions in their own right. They're built into seasons and episodes, and you get episodes for free if you log in while they are current, so you've unfortunately missed most of those so you'll have to buy them.

The exception is Season 1, which is not (and will not) be available in its original form. They're currently rereleasing chunks of it every few months similar to new episodes, but as far as I'm aware they're just freely available. It was completely missing from the game for like 8 years, and is very skippable, so I'd just bounce right into Season 2 after you finish the core game.

If I've done my maths right, buying the Steam Complete pack saves you a bit of money over buying gems and getting the living world from the gem store. Living world seasons in the gem store have been discounted once or twice a year in the past but there was nothing for the game's 10 year anniversary so it's anyone's guess if/when that will happen again. If you're not sure you want to fully commit with £86.97 or your local equivalent, you can buy and play it piecemeal in the following order. If you do this, buy the living world season packs rather than individual episodes, as they're 20% cheaper in bulk.

Personal Story - free, you've got this with the core game
Living Story Season 1 - free, currently not fully available (I'd endorse completely skipping it tbh)
Living Story Season 2 - buy with gems
Heart of Thorns expansion - buy with $$$ in package with Path of Fire
Living Story Season 3 - buy with gems
Path of Fire - buy with $$$ in package with Heart of Thorns
Living Story Season 4 - buy with gems
Icebrood Saga (living story season 5) - buy with gems
End of Dragons - buy with $$$

oh wow beaten like three times lmao.

Kris xK
Apr 23, 2010
Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Kris xK posted:

Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?

fwiu there's a pattern of heavy-handed nerfs followed by post-nerf adjustments to bring the nerfed specs back up to being reasonably strong and fun again

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Azubah posted:

Was there an expectation of being geared for endgame when the living world seasons started? It's taking way too long to murder things in the first episodes and holy poo poo the duo boss fight was a slog.

I've only got a full set of exotic gear from the level 80 boost and that seemed to be enough for the base campaign.
I think the assumption is that you have a somewhat decent build and level 80 exotic armor that goes with it. No content other than fractals (because of the agony infusion slots more than pure stats) and possibly raids and maybe CM strikes assume min-max endgame gear and builds.

The mordrem in LS2 and especially most of HoT was a marked jump in difficulty, especially for (back then ubiquitous) glass cannon builds. The expectation is that you bring some defense, which can be active, or can be gear and passive skills and traits. Some classes/specs have better builds for that, especially with "core" gear (no expansion stat spreads/item sources) and without elite builds. They all have some sort of workable open world build with enough damage and sustain, they're not all equally easy to play though.

Note that the level 80 boost starting gear can be a bit of a trap. Originally they put everyone in full soldier gear which is an awful idea because it adds gently caress-all to damage so everything takes forever to kill, but the defense/HP buffer is still not big enough to protect you against expansion mobs and bosses properly. Now they start everyone in celestial gear (I thought they wanted to change that, but apparently not - yet?). This is better but for many builds wastes itemization on stats you don't use (eg. boon duration). Look for open world "celestial" and the defensive gear variants of "condi" builds. What class/build are you playing?

Kris xK posted:

Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?
They've done wild swings before, but also kept nerfs somewhat low-key in other places. As an example, firebrand was called out for being too powerful for a long time and they only ever nerfed small aspects of it here and there, it's still great. On the other hand, I guess elementalists and thieves? :v:

orcane fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 7, 2022

Drone Incognito
Oct 16, 2008

There are no drones here. No way no how.

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Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


Kris xK posted:

Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?

Anets class balancing is extremely erratic. If I had to guess, it'll sit this way for a couple of months, then get a minor tweak, then get a major nerf, then it's a coin flip on whether they leave it in the shitter or course correct to somewhere in the middle.

Regardless, engineer's got viable builds coming out of the wazoo so even if they nerf your build into the ground there's going to be something else you can do with that character and gear that's equally as good.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

orcane posted:

Note that the level 80 boost starting gear can be a bit of a trap. Originally they put everyone in full soldier gear which is an awful idea because it adds gently caress-all to damage so everything takes forever to kill, but the defense/HP buffer is still not big enough to protect you against expansion mobs and bosses properly. Now they start everyone in celestial gear (I thought they wanted to change that, but apparently not - yet?). This is better but for many builds wastes itemization on stats you don't use (eg. boon duration). Look for open world "celestial" and the defensive gear variants of "condi" builds. What class/build are you playing?

Been playing a mesmer since GW1, though this version isn't quite the same.

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
LS2 has the hardest story instances in the game, so if that’s where you’re feeling stuck you’re not alone.

HampHamp
Oct 30, 2006
Thanks so much for the detailed tips! I was gonna wait until getting to 80 before making any decisions, but that raptor mount only lasts ten hours so its kinda making me want to get the expansions now. I'll probably just fork out the 90 quid, it's not like I have any massive energy bills coming soon or anything

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

Kris xK posted:

Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?

We've got an unusual case on our hands at the moment, because there was some drama where it turns out one of the Anet devs was openly telling people that he played favorites with class balancing; that he was looking forward to the salt from some planned nerfs; and that he straight up just didn't play a class at all and used the wiki as a reference for balancing. No idea if he got axed or just told to shut the gently caress up about his job, but the current OP state of the mechanist is entirely his fault. It's an unprecedented situation and I don't know how the studio will address the issues, if they will at all, in any more than their usual capacity

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Rifle Mechanist is absolutely going to get nerfed in the future. It's way too easy and powerful for them to ignore it.

Thankfully Engineer is maybe the most versatile class.
Barrier Scrapper remains very powerful and sought after for stuff like raids.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe
I hope it leads to a general improvement of how they approach class balance. Like not having "PvP" weapons heavily pre-nerfed in PvE so you're basically an idiot for using them (they have two additional rule sets for the actual PvP modes, use them). Or having "Low Intensity" baseline options for all classes but in a way that doesn't make optimal poopsocker builds and -playstyles do 1000% more damage which makes balancing stuff like meta events *cough* Dragon's End *cough* impossible. Which might also help when you don't want to give piano classes too much of a lead over "easy" specs (hello elementalists).

Luggage
Aug 29, 2009

Kris xK posted:

Long time players break out your crystal ball and put in your tinfoil hat cause I have a vague rear end question :

"Historically, how reactionary are anet nerfs?"

I'm one on the multititude of new steam players currently clogging up your screen with an ugly jade robot. I didn't know engineer was fotm when I picked it but it clearly is. I'm really enjoying it, but I don't want to get super invested in case anet take it out back and shoots it. So in the past, how have their nerfs been generally?

This was the lead dev's statement regarding a "Mechanist too strong" thread on Reddit two days ago:
[...] To address the issue at hand, yes, we're keenly aware of the mechanist incursion. To reference my balance forum post from Aug 18, it certainly seems to be 'dominating the meta'. No details to share today, just wanted to let y'all know we're looking into it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/x6ph69/comment/in9879t

Mr. Neutron
Sep 15, 2012

~I'M THE BEST~
Don't get your hopes up, they've been 'looking into' Firebrand since 2019 :v:

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MajorBonnet
May 28, 2009

How did I get here?
After looking into it, mechanist will receive a minor buff while at least one non-meta class will be nerfed based on something one guy did that one time. Probably Untamed.

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