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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like I’m going to have to post CNN stuff in this thread a lot more going forward its really funny watching them do this because i think a lot of companies over the past couple years have realized that you can't really play to both sides of the aisle if you end up being culturally controversial whether intentionally or by complete accident. the best thing to do is just lean into and embrace whichever side your on and maybe set up a separate brand for the other side. instead CNN's going to end up with no audience because all the people who liked them during the trump era are going to leave and the trump guys are guess what going to continue to see it as a plot by the pedophile lizard ring running the world
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Lemniscate Blue posted:For the record: media lit doesn't exist for chuds. like at all. its how you have that lovely thanos gif with trump https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1204503645607333888?s=20 like its the worst possible scene to pic too.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:its really funny watching them do this because i think a lot of companies over the past couple years have realized that you can't really play to both sides of the aisle if you end up being culturally controversial whether intentionally or by complete accident. the best thing to do is just lean into and embrace whichever side your on and maybe set up a separate brand for the other side. instead CNN's going to end up with no audience because all the people who liked them during the trump era are going to leave and the trump guys are guess what going to continue to see it as a plot by the pedophile lizard ring running the world
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1567144976135471105 ah yes "gave electrcity" lol loving a billion dollar media company cant even skim wikipedia for a few seconds.
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PhazonLink posted:ah yes "gave electrcity" lol loving a billion dollar media company cant even skim wikipedia for a few seconds. Why bother? They know their audience won't.
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oh efb on the electricity and Ben thing. I offer etymology facts, its from latin and greek for amber, because smart peeps knew for millenia that rubbing amber with fur did the sparky things.
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They know it's not technically true, but they don't care. It's conservative juche thought. They're just cultural totems, and they like them, and it marks you as part of their in group if you say you like them too. Their thing is, "well, for 150 years everybody said Franklin invented electricity and that was good enough, AND OF COURSE it's more complicated, we're not stupid, but it should still be good enough now." This is why a lot of their focus on "the left," is about brainwashing and propaganda. They don't see it as a fight over reality and provable facts. They see it as the replacement of their cultural totems, not with reality, but with woke versions for sinister aims. They think these totems are the reason things used to be better. They imbue them with cultural power, and that means that anyone else trying to destroy them or replace them is a threat. This is also why they bristle at, "trans people have always existed.." arguments. They know trans people aren't new. They're arguing we should return to the earlier, simpler times, where those people were ostracized from public life. They aren't arguing trans people are new or trans people are a Marxist plot. They're saying the fight for civil rights for these groups is a Marxist plot. It's an exact echo of what conservatives have said about all civil rights movements since the first red scare. ErIog fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Sep 6, 2022 |
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ErIog posted:They know it's not technically true, but they don't care. It's conservative juche thought. They're just cultural totems, and they like them, and it marks you as part of their in group if you say you like them too. Avatar and post combo, solid.
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The lightning rod is cool and good, but "invented electricity" is some "Franklin was the first firefighter" from Fahrenheit 451 level of bullshit.
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Burning_Monk posted:The lightning rod is cool and good, but "invented electricity" is some "Franklin was the first firefighter" from Fahrenheit 451 level of bullshit. There's a ton of these in American mythology, though. "Franklin invented electricity." "Henry Ford invented the car." "Edison invented electric lights." "Columbus discovered America." I grew up hearing all this poo poo from Boomers, and none of it is actually true in reality, but they'll argue with you really hard if you point out they're not true.
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Pfff, look at these jokers. Everyone knows Muddy Waters invented electricity. 
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It's amusing and sad that CNN is trying to become the next Fox News since Newsmax and OANN have caused a lot of right wingers to say Fox News is now too liberal. Honestly I'm not entirely sure Licht isn't trying to purposely destroy CNN, but that's a little too conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor and all.
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Who cares? The world would be much better off without for profit news.
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News should just be 99% the robo voice they use for weather radio reading out 5min updates on what the weather is and occasional local news.
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Twelve by Pies posted:It's amusing and sad that CNN is trying to become the next Fox News since Newsmax and OANN have caused a lot of right wingers to say Fox News is now too liberal. No conspiracy theories necessary - he is just taking his network to where his dwindling audience can be found.
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FMguru posted:The only people who still watch cable news (especially the hours-and-hours-a-day kinds of viewers) are all 50+ years old and tilt heavily Republican, and that is a trend that is only accelerating (as younger people increasingly cut their cable cords and become literally inaccessible to cable networks). Them's prime voting years. My 91 yo grandma is one of those people, just fox news all day. Huge fan of Levin and Larry Kudlow. I couldn't call either of them newsmen or reporters, not by a long shot. Levin's entire thing is just finding new ways to say 'chinese communist democrats' and hawking whatever book he wrote over whatever recent hot topic is making the rounds, probably trans people, ukraine, crt, or chinese/russian communism. He's 100% a grifter praying on cold war brain worms. Kudlow is just a day time version of hannity/tucker for older people, often grifting with guest's books rather than his own. But otherwise basically the same as Levin. She says she dislikes tucker and hannity but she still watches all of their programing over basically anything else. The people who have moved on to OAN and Newsmax are more brain broken than cold war brain wormed silent generation no thought havers. This includes plenty of people still in their early 30s.
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All Licht cares about is money/"shareholder value," but it's hard to tell how that's going to translate into editorial direction. Obviously they're shooting harder for the white retirement home demographic, but it's hard to say at this point whether they're going to try going full Fox or if they're going to try to split the difference between that and their current viewership. Red ocean/blue ocean and all that. e: I suspect that it's going to blow up in their face for the sole reason that acquisition is WAY more difficult than retention. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if all of the weirdness coming out of the DiscoveryWarner merger is also gonna have an effect on CNN
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After The War posted:Pfff, look at these jokers. Everyone knows Muddy Waters invented electricity. And Blondie invented rap music. I’ve heard that a NUMBER of times over the years.
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CNN already fired Brian Stelter out of nowhere, though likely because of the merger/new management. The guy had his show going for 30 years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjo...sh=6b77de324978 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/business/media/cnn-brian-stelter-reliable-sources.html
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:I wouldn't be surprised if all of the weirdness coming out of the DiscoveryWarner merger is also gonna have an effect on CNN The new person in charge has already removed several long-term people, and has made statements about ‘going back to what made CNN great’, and then follows that up with talking about being more ‘balanced’
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This what ratings and advertising driven news leads to. It upsets me a lot but I take some solace in knowing it's always been like this. Every once in a while I peruse some old newspapers or something and, let me tell you, it wasn't any better 50 or 100 years ago. Mainstream journalism is arguably better and more accurate now than it's ever been.GPTribefan posted:And Blondie invented rap music. I’ve heard that a NUMBER of times over the years. LOL. Me too. They didn't invent it but they did have the first #1 single with it in yet another example of white artists appropriating black culture. And my GOD Debbie Harry's rapping is loving terrible BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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I guess this is a welcome point of view. Black people on TV is, indeed, not automatically leftist! https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1567373514499399683?t=9mYr-lJ9OpttFsQ1I2cqAg&s=19 The replies don't seem very enthusiastic about this kind of argument from a conservative, though.
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William Bear posted:I guess this is a welcome point of view. Black people on TV is, indeed, not automatically leftist! Because to conservatives, having a minoirty in your TV show is what's woke. All white people, all the time, or you're teaching woke CRT to groom children.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s already happening I am not fully against them going back to being “we report the news and investigation journalism and poo poo” and not fox/msnbc lite but we all know it’s headed to fox lite at best. William Bear posted:I guess this is a welcome point of view. Black people on TV is, indeed, not automatically leftist! Lol. I love when smarter ghouls realize a term they took has spun into a “saying the quiet part way way too loud” territory and they try to pull it back only for it to explode in their face.
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I'm just so tired of their bullshit. I remember rear end in a top hat adults grumbling about black and hispanic kids in "white" roles when I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL MUSICALS. Like, I *somehow* don't think they were worried about an accurate portrayal of the Von Trapps by a bunch of 8th graders, it's very clear what their grievance was. Nothing's changed. Get over it, there's tons of actors who aren't white who deserve access to these roles.
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Brawnfire posted:I'm just so tired of their bullshit. I remember rear end in a top hat adults grumbling about black and hispanic kids in "white" roles when I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL MUSICALS. Like, I *somehow* don't think they were worried about an accurate portrayal of the Von Trapps by a bunch of 8th graders, it's very clear what their grievance was. Nothing's changed. Get over it, there's tons of actors who aren't white who deserve access to these roles. Apropos of nothing, my school's spring musical one year was South Pacific, and I do have to admit that the part of the plot that turns on one of the major characters' kids being biracial and "oh my god, he had a nonwhite wife, can I live with this or can I overcome the racism I was raised with and admit I love him?" loses a bit of something when a black actor is cast in the role. He was great in the part and in the end it didn't matter at all, just a funny anecdote. (I'm pretty sure he went to Juilliard, so good for him.) But elves, hobbits, stuff like that? Who cares?
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I do suppose it's fair in some roles/stories that are highly racial in nature. For instance, when we did Ragtime we couldn't really do "colorblind" casting because the whole point is following the experience of a white, black, and immigrant family. So we had to balance that against giving everyone a fair shake during casting. There was a LOT of conversation around the whole thing. Great show, though.
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BiggerBoat posted:This what ratings and advertising driven news leads to. It upsets me a lot but I take some solace in knowing it's always been like this. Every once in a while I peruse some old newspapers or something and, let me tell you, it wasn't any better 50 or 100 years ago. Mainstream journalism is arguably better and more accurate now than it's ever been. It's a bummer because Rapture is a great loving song otherwise.
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Brawnfire posted:I'm just so tired of their bullshit. I remember rear end in a top hat adults grumbling about black and hispanic kids in "white" roles when I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL MUSICALS. Like, I *somehow* don't think they were worried about an accurate portrayal of the Von Trapps by a bunch of 8th graders, it's very clear what their grievance was. Nothing's changed. Get over it, there's tons of actors who aren't white who deserve access to these roles. Also ya know, you don't hear any bitching about accuracy when say Charlton Heston and Anne Baxter play Moses and an Egyptian queen respectively in 10 Commandments. Or Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom playing Greeks. Pretty sure Achilles wasn't blond in the source material. Or Megyn Kelly getting mad at black Jesus for being "inaccurate" while insisting Jesus and St Nick were white men.
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VitalSigns posted:Or Megyn Kelly getting mad at black Jesus for being "inaccurate" while insisting Jesus and St Nick were white men. 
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"Chris, you've been saying that for the last 320 years."
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Lemniscate Blue posted:But elves, hobbits, stuff like that? Who cares? Racists care. Racists care a lot. This is an area they feel they can get away with saying the racist stuff outright.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. history is like now except either worse or better depending on factors and context. they arnt gods, they are human and just as hosed up as we are. i am sure franklin would jerk off to porn online too. Ol' Benji would make the point, smiling and spouting aphorisms the whole time. "How is that for an early riser, my good madam?"
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Jaxyon posted:Racists care. Racists care a lot. It's the standard argument that Youtube chuds have been using for years for cartoon reboots of nostalgic franchises. "We're not racist, there's nothing wrong with black characters in media, but Tolkien didn't write any elves/dwarves to be black! So we're just concerned about accuracy to the source material, that's not racist at all!"
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Professor Beetus posted:It's a bummer because Rapture is a great loving song otherwise. Her rap isn’t that far out for the context. White Lines isn’t really that different. Also, I’m so loving old.
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VitalSigns posted:What the heck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJWAEjdV74
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Twelve by Pies posted:It's the standard argument that Youtube chuds have been using for years for cartoon reboots of nostalgic franchises. "We're not racist, there's nothing wrong with black characters in media, but Tolkien didn't write any elves/dwarves to be black! So we're just concerned about accuracy to the source material, that's not racist at all!" Which, hilariously, even if you take it seriously it’s still an argument of “because someone wrote it 100 years ago with the standard racial attitudes of 100 years ago, we should be absolutely faithful to that racism!!!!” Like, you wouldn’t insist that the next Lovecraft horror film has terrible, horrifying, misshapen monstrosities from beyond time and space who are revealed at the end to be :  : Italians I mean, you wouldn’t. I suppose these assholes might.
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Brawnfire posted:I'm just so tired of their bullshit. I remember rear end in a top hat adults grumbling about black and hispanic kids in "white" roles when I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL MUSICALS. Like, I *somehow* don't think they were worried about an accurate portrayal of the Von Trapps by a bunch of 8th graders, it's very clear what their grievance was. Nothing's changed. Get over it, there's tons of actors who aren't white who deserve access to these roles. They're always grumbling about poo poo and always have. My old man was pretty straight laced and conservative and I remember growing up anyone with a tattoo, a man with an ear ring, colored hair or any kind of piercing at all was supposed to render them unemployable and was insulting to his parents. Even long hair in a guy or short hair on a woman was suspect when I was really young. poo poo, now I work with a lot of people that have all those all things happening and no one gives a flying gently caress but it was Real Important for some reason at one time. We were talking about movies today at the poker room I work at some dude was complaining about films being "too woke".I didn't ask him what he meant by that but I had an idea.
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