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Herstory Begins Now posted:ow is designed from the ground up that hero switching is a vital and completely intended part of countering characters. beyond just the baseline :eyeroll: at the battlepass, that's why people are focused on that specific point It was an awful design decision and they've been trying to get away from hard counters with OW2. Less ultimates, less generic crowd control etc. The counter pick argument is extra silly because no one in the trenches of ranked, which is the only place affected by this, knows what to counterpick anyways.
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That's bullshit, people counterpick all the time. I still gently caress around on diamond smurfs from time to time and as soon as a reaper comes out, someone picks cree. As soon as pharah comes out, people pick widow. Sure you get the odd idiot who won't but that's games.
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Sep 9, 2022 10:14
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well it's not just for counters. there's also this hero is better for this phase of the map or in this ult and timer situation, and so on.
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Sep 9, 2022 11:33
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hoping gundam evolution sates my desire to play overwatch here in 2 weeks
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Sep 9, 2022 11:44
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I am still salty about the forced picks for your team: you HAVE to have x number of whatevers. Look, maybe we all want to run tanks, why do we need to have a healer? Haven't played OW in a while, been playing Apex Legends, so maybe I might actually be good at aiming. Junkrat is my fave but sometimes aiming is not overrated.
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Sep 9, 2022 15:38
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gundam evo not having roles at all is 99% of the reason im excited for it
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Sep 9, 2022 16:07
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I really didn't like how the guns and netcode felt in the gundam beta, and the maps really sucked, but maybe it'll be better in retail
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Sep 9, 2022 16:21
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Gundam Evo was awesome as soon as I found my Soldier 76 equivalent character
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Sep 9, 2022 17:56
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Evo kinda felt like your team was at a disadvantage if no one was playing the Sazabi, and Barbatos was annoying as poo poo. That said, between the transparency of the devs on their Beta reports with their planned balance adjustments, how measured those changes are, and how outright fun the game was, I’m really looking forward to the launch.
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Sep 9, 2022 19:26
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dogstile posted:That's bullshit, people counterpick all the time. I still gently caress around on diamond smurfs from time to time and as soon as a reaper comes out, someone picks cree. As soon as pharah comes out, people pick widow. lol yea i play almost entirely arcade and even in quickplay classic, the mode that everyone uses to avoid the role queue waits and slam-pick their faves, people counterpick and change up comps mid-match pretty regularly imagine defending this poo poo, like what's wrong with you that you see a change like this and begin trying to rationalize it as good, actually
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Sep 9, 2022 20:08
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Endorph posted:gundam evo not having roles at all is 99% of the reason im excited for it
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Sep 9, 2022 20:18
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Kiriko looks cool.
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Sep 9, 2022 21:21
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It's 100 GB though why
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Sep 9, 2022 21:25
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Wheeee posted:lol yea i play almost entirely arcade and even in quickplay classic, the mode that everyone uses to avoid the role queue waits and slam-pick their faves, people counterpick and change up comps mid-match pretty regularly You know the base roster is unlocked for everyone and it's only the new characters, right? Just say that you don't like having to pay/grind for poo poo that used to be free, that's reasonable enough. Blizz can still gently caress this up by making the new characters paid-only once the battlepass expires, but as is, it's still a better system than any other f2p fps I can think of.
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Sep 10, 2022 11:22
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https://youtu.be/g-nMGtaAoXw
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Sep 10, 2022 16:15
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Yeah I'm curious how they'll handle hero releases. Like, say you weren't around to play enough and didn't have time to unlock whatever hero during a battle pass run. Once that battle pass season expires, and a new hero drops with the next pass, how will you unlock the previous hero then?
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Sep 10, 2022 21:42
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Smite is still the best way to do the whole hero unlock thing in a F2P title. Just drop a one-time fee and unlock every hero in perpetuity.
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teagone posted:Yeah I'm curious how they'll handle hero releases. Like, say you weren't around to play enough and didn't have time to unlock whatever hero during a battle pass run. Once that battle pass season expires, and a new hero drops with the next pass, how will you unlock the previous hero then? I'd assume the new OW2 currency. OW1's is being transferred over but "there are things in OW2 that are not purchasable with those OW1 credits". So: - Pay for the BattlePass get the character - Don't pay for it and grind to get the character - Pay for/Earn OW2 credits, and then buy the character
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Sep 10, 2022 22:02
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Nutsak posted:I'd assume the new OW2 currency. OW1's is being transferred over but "there are things in OW2 that are not purchasable with those OW1 credits". This is exactly how I would put money on it working.
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Sep 10, 2022 22:08
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Wheeee posted:lol yea i play almost entirely arcade and even in quickplay classic, the mode that everyone uses to avoid the role queue waits and slam-pick their faves, people counterpick and change up comps mid-match pretty regularly I mean, there's hardly any counterpicking going on right now on the current professional meta. If they don't need counterpicking, why would we? (  )
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Sep 10, 2022 22:24
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Jimbot posted:Smite is still the best way to do the whole hero unlock thing in a F2P title. Just drop a one-time fee and unlock every hero in perpetuity. i feel like DotA2's is better, which is to say there's just no fee and you get every new hero
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Sep 10, 2022 23:16
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Yeah any grind to unlock new kit is lame, and having cash be an option to circumvent the grind incentivizes the devs to make new poo poo overpowered for profit.
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Sep 10, 2022 23:26
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Nutsak posted:I'd assume the new OW2 currency. OW1's is being transferred over but "there are things in OW2 that are not purchasable with those OW1 credits". That makes sense. I was assuming that each new hero is tied to a specific battle pass season.
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Arzachel posted:You know the base roster is unlocked for everyone and it's only the new characters, right? Just say that you don't like having to pay/grind for poo poo that used to be free, that's reasonable enough. Blizz can still gently caress this up by making the new characters paid-only once the battlepass expires, but as is, it's still a better system than any other f2p fps I can think of. cringe
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Sep 11, 2022 04:20
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I would simply not defend games companies moving towards predatory transaction models
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Sep 11, 2022 04:40
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Nutsak posted:I'd assume the new OW2 currency. OW1's is being transferred over but "there are things in OW2 that are not purchasable with those OW1 credits". Heroes will be on the free track of the battlepasses, supposedly. So no paying to grind. Most battlepasses are not even about grinding and more about consistency: play some games every day and you'll get everything. Perhaps bliz will do it differently. Perhaps bliz will gently caress it up.
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Sep 11, 2022 07:19
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At that point, if its free and anyone can easily earn them, why is it on a battlepass at all? All it does is make people who don't religiously play Overwatch 2 behind on earning characters. And that's a dangerous road to walk in this kind of game. Especially with how Blizz balances. Imagine spending your limited currency on a hero whose battlepass you missed, only for Blizzard to change their playstyle into something unrecognizable. Or not having, say, Brigitte unlocked during her reign of meta terror.
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Sep 11, 2022 07:38
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Minera posted:cringe I'm glad you're here to protect the honor of *checks notes* the game that created the concept of time limited lootboxes?
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The Bee posted:At that point, if its free and anyone can easily earn them, why is it on a battlepass at all? All it does is make people who don't religiously play Overwatch 2 behind on earning characters. And that's a dangerous road to walk in this kind of game. Its because they want to encourage FOMO.
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Arzachel posted:I'm glad you're here to protect the honor of *checks notes* the game that created the concept of time limited lootboxes? I will agree TF2 did its lootbox poo poo way worse, and it does not get nearly enough guff for being the progenitor of all of this.
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Sep 11, 2022 08:21
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Arzachel posted:I'm glad you're here to protect the honor of *checks notes* the game that created the concept of time limited lootboxes? buddy you're the one defending the grind to play pay to win game replacing (not succeeding, replacing) the game that had a flat fee of entry for all gameplay features
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Minera posted:buddy you're the one defending the grind to play pay to win game replacing (not succeeding, replacing) the game that had a flat fee of entry for all gameplay features lmao has it been long enough for people to get nostalgic about loot boxes of all the things
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Arzachel posted:lmao has it been long enough for people to get nostalgic about loot boxes of all the things you are so loving stupid lmao
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So I hear overwatch is going free to play. As in I’m free to play other games so I don’t have to deal with pay to win garbage were the teams aren’t even. By by bnet
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And the rest of us are free to play without you. It is a Win-Win situation. 
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adhuin posted:And the rest of us are free to play without you. I mean don’t get me wrong I’d love to keep playing the game but if all 10 players don’t have the same tools it’ll be just as fun as turning God mode on. I just can’t have fun with games where money is what makes teams even or not. Ill have to see what they do but the silence in the face of the internets reaction doesn’t make me hopeful.
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The heroes being grind unlocks once they're off a battlepass matters a lot more in Overwatch than it does in other F2Ps or games like R6 Siege because the roster is smaller and classes are more specialized, especially for tank and healer roles. If you don't have Kiriko unlocked then you're locked out of 13% of the healer characters lol It's way worse than a game like Siege where there's probably a character that functions similarly to the new one added and everyone dies in one headshot anyway, or a game like LoL where the roster is well into the triple digits.
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Arzachel posted:They also thought people would play multiple characters, switching depending on the situation, and that characters hard countering each other was fun and cool gameplay People don’t play this way? That’s how I play, switch to Winston to kill the junk rat etc.
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Sep 11, 2022 16:46
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No. I slam pick hanzo all day everyday.
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Still think the dps "30% ultimate save" passive should be universal and dps should get something else
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