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Has there ever been a face version of the million dollar man gimmick? Like a super rich dude who uses his super rich dude powers to screw with heels to the benefit of the baby faces?
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Sep 8, 2022 17:06
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Defenestrategy posted:Has there ever been a face version of the million dollar man gimmick His name is Tony Khan
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Sep 8, 2022 17:10
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Trying posted:His name is Tony Khan Tony Khan the on screen booker man is neutral. He rehired MJF and mercilessly trolled impact with schiavone.
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Sep 8, 2022 17:13
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Defenestrategy posted:Has there ever been a face version of the million dollar man gimmick? Del Rio was sort of like this when he turned face.
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Sep 8, 2022 17:31
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Defenestrategy posted:Has there ever been a face version of the million dollar man gimmick? this was almost kind of "Smooth Sailin'" Ashley Remington's deal, his gimmick as far as I remember was basically "affable man who owns a boat" he didn't try to buy people or the like but he would throw an opponent off their game by bringing them a nice fruit basket
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Sep 8, 2022 18:10
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I wonder if you're associating "Princes of the Universe" so closely with wrestling because it literally leads into a wrestling match in Highlander?
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Sep 9, 2022 02:31
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Defenestrategy posted:Has there ever been a face version of the million dollar man gimmick? Maybe Okada during his second IWGP reign as the Rainmaker when he was still in the gimmick as Rich man and not colossal dork that also happens to be the best big match wrestler ever
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Sep 9, 2022 02:55
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What are some heel spots which just make perfect sense yet piss people off so much? I'll never get over how some heels can get a ton of heat just by leaving the ring when they're getting beaten on. It makes all the sense in the world to get out of dodge, slow the momentum and gather your bearings, but it enrages the fans about as much as blatantly cheating. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Sep 9, 2022 14:34
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NikkolasKing posted:What are some heel spots which just make perfect sense yet piss people off so much? Similarly dodging between the ropes before a lock up to have the ref back up the face and using the ref to cheap shot the face.
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Sep 9, 2022 14:43
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NikkolasKing posted:What are some heel spots which just make perfect sense yet piss people off so much?
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Sep 9, 2022 14:44
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Jay is such a scumfuck because he had the temerity to research his opponents before the match, just so he can counter all their signature spots. What a bastard
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Sep 9, 2022 15:42
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NikkolasKing posted:What are some heel spots which just make perfect sense yet piss people off so much? The fans want to see a fight and the heel is denying them that It's also a toxic masculinity thing where the heel is seen as a weak coward instead of a brave fighter
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Sep 9, 2022 16:36
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Defenestrategy posted:Similarly dodging between the ropes before a lock up to have the ref back up the face and using the ref to cheap shot the face. Toru Yano gets away with this by being a very silly man.
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Sep 9, 2022 16:37
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SG Bamboo posted:Jay is such a scumfuck because he had the temerity to research his opponents before the match, just so he can counter all their signature spots. The best part is he usually eats the move later in the match and it get so much more heat cause everyone really wants it than
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Sep 9, 2022 16:49
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Maybe Okada during his second IWGP reign as the Rainmaker when he was still in the gimmick as Rich man and not colossal dork that also happens to be the best big match wrestler ever yes but he made money rain from the sky he is a giving man
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Sep 9, 2022 20:09
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jesus WEP posted:jay white often collapses to avoid a rainmaker or some big move and it always gets heat even though…. he’s avoiding an opponent’s attack! Why wouldn’t he do that? I love that spot so much. It’s so simple and perfect and the first time I saw Jay do it I think I probably laughed out loud. Why hadn’t anyone done it before?? It’s such good poo poo.
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Sep 10, 2022 00:24
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Ganso Bomb posted:I love that spot so much. It’s so simple and perfect and the first time I saw Jay do it I think I probably laughed out loud. Why hadn’t anyone done it before?? It’s such good poo poo. Because it's a bad idea to leave yourself prone and defenseless.
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Sep 10, 2022 00:32
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MassRafTer posted:Because it's a bad idea to leave yourself prone and defenseless. His opponents are too distracted doing "can you believe this guy?!" body motions to attack
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Sep 10, 2022 00:36
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NikkolasKing posted:What are some heel spots which just make perfect sense yet piss people off so much? When a heel has a small weapon they hide in their trunks but sneak it into their hands when the ref goes to check them. The only time I went to a local show I thought the place was gonna riot when the ref held up his hands to the crowd when he couldn't find the thing they were shouting about.
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Sep 10, 2022 02:31
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MassRafTer posted:Because it's a bad idea to leave yourself prone and defenseless. A worse idea than being hit by a rainmaker?
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Sep 10, 2022 08:38
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SiKboy posted:A worse idea than being hit by a rainmaker? Did Okada hit the Landslide first?
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Sep 10, 2022 08:42
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SiKboy posted:A worse idea than being hit by a rainmaker? Yeah look what happened to Adam Cole when he did it at Forbidden Door he was knocked out legit.
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Sep 10, 2022 18:13
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Austin’s theme was a hard rock version of Razor Ramon’s theme, which itself was just a rip off of the Eagles “Those Shoes”.
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Sep 11, 2022 05:30
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I’m pretty sure RVD’s WWE theme was just the Acolytes’ pre-APA theme played at double time
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Sep 11, 2022 09:06
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Has there ever been a match where someone got a 2 count and then immediately went for the cover again and got 3?
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Sep 14, 2022 03:00
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Has there ever been a match where someone got a 2 count and then immediately went for the cover again and got 3? Not quite the same but there was a Chikara match where a heel complained to the ref (Bryce, if I’m not mistaken) that a 2 count was actually a 3 and the ref was like “Oh? It was? Okay, ring the bell!”. I’ve always wondered if that thing of a person trying the same pin multiple times has ever worked, though.
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Sep 14, 2022 03:26
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Has there ever been a match where someone got a 2 count and then immediately went for the cover again and got 3? Surely we all haven't all forgotten the signature win of Freddie Joe Floyd? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufe9SxkwJkQ
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Sep 14, 2022 03:26
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Yesterday, WhatCulture Wrestling put up a pretty fun list video called 10 Precise Moments Wrestling Bookers Lost Their Minds. Basically a list of jump the shark moments for various bookers. For those who don't want to sit through the 12 minutes, here's the list: 10) Triple H: The Cole/Gargano/Ciampa run of NXT where top matches started getting excessively long. 9) Delirious: The endless Supercard of Honor XII. 8) Bully Ray: G1 Supercard. 7) Vince McMahon: Making Warrior champ (I guess because it's him doubling down not on Hulk Hogan, but the Hulk Hogan type?) 6) Vince McMahon again: The Austin heel turn swerve at WM17. 5) Vince Russo: His first episode of Nitro. 4) Hogan and Bischoff: The 2nd Monday Night War. 3) Paul Heyman: ECW on TNN. 2) Gedo: Various failings from the last couple years, but mainly his push of Evil. 1) Gabe Sapolsky: Nigel's never-ending title run amidst other staleness. While I think there are probably better choices for Vince, I thought it was an interesting discussion. What are your thoughts on the subject, whether it's someone on the list or not? Like easily the big moment for Mike Quackenbush is the whole Ashes storyline. It killed the company's momentum dead and even when the promotion returned, it was never quite the same. There were plenty of solid storylines and gimmicks in the years that followed, but they rarely ever hit their full potential. Also, the endless title run for Juan Francisco de Coronado did irreparable damage to the top face roster.
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Gavok posted:While I think there are probably better choices for Vince, I thought it was an interesting discussion. What are your thoughts on the subject, whether it's someone on the list or not? There are more indefensible Vince moments than 6, Austins heel turn is sorta defendable Austin wanted to go heel, his character had been literally doing the same schtick since late '96, and the main event heel selection was getting really really thin. It didn't end up so great, but not "losing his drat mind" moment worthy such as... WM9 Bret gives his title shot to Hogan. Wrestlemania 28 - Sheamus squashes AmDrag in 18 seconds to win the WHC Wrestlemania 30 - Cena goes over Wyatt Family December to Dismember - Removing Sabu, and not giving the win to either Punk or RVD. Giving the belt to a then green and uninteresting Lashley.
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Defenestrategy posted:WM9 Bret gives his title shot to Hogan. I agree that these are all worse than those listed. I'd also nominate giving long runs to both Yokozuna and Diesel when they didn't seem particularly over and there were better options available (namely Bret). I was thinking maybe also the Lawler-Cole fiasco at WM27 and WM32 for just being bafflingly awful in general, but the stuff with DBry and Sheamus was a much establishing "haha gently caress you fans!!" moment that characterised pretty much the next ten years. I think you can debate there being earlier ones for Russo as well. It's just harder to argue because obviously McMahon was still very much in charge during his time with WWF. That said, the period between Royal Rumble 99 and Wrestlemania XV really is Russomania running wild, and then shortly after that you have the Higher Power nonsense. Alternatively, you could argue that he didn't go fully insane in WCW until he booked that awful world title tournament, though granted, that was like a week or two after he started.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Has there ever been a match where someone got a 2 count and then immediately went for the cover again and got 3? Yes! I joke about this with my brother occasionally. Juvi was wrestling on WCWSN, hit a big move, got 2, tried again, got 3! For the life of me I cannot remember who it was. Edit: cagematch has him only wrestling on WCWSN twice, once winning against El Dandy (maybe?), and a no contest tag match. But they're not completely exhaustive. And different search terms resulted in a win over Bobby Blaze. But I'm positive I saw it happen with Juvi winning El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Sep 14, 2022 17:34
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I was there for the long Nigel McGuinness ROH title run and I guess I'm in the minority because I loved that run. Nigel was loving awesome
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Sep 14, 2022 17:48
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Elephant Ambush posted:I was there for the long Nigel McGuinness ROH title run and I guess I'm in the minority because I loved that run. Nigel was loving awesome A lot of it was awesome but I remember a couple defences towards the end where the perception was maybe it was time to drop the belt. Specifically Steen in Toronto and I want to say Tyler Black, too? And even then it would have been fine if they didn't have him drop in a weird half assed cross promotion with The Wrestler. And I love Jerry Lynn.
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Gavok posted:While I think there are probably better choices for Vince, I thought it was an interesting discussion. What are your thoughts on the subject, whether it's someone on the list or not? While you could easily name fifty insane booking decisions by Vince, the Austin heel turn wasn't a bad idea in a vacuum. The problem was that they tried turning Austin heel in Texas, which left the crowd confused as to whether it was a heel turn or if Vince had turned face, and the whole thing never really recovered from that.
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Gavok posted:Like easily the big moment for Mike Quackenbush is the whole Ashes storyline. It killed the company's momentum dead and even when the promotion returned, it was never quite the same. There were plenty of solid storylines and gimmicks in the years that followed, but they rarely ever hit their full potential. Also, the endless title run for Juan Francisco de Coronado did irreparable damage to the top face roster. That booking was a picture perfect example of why a "hiatus" is a terrible thing for a regular promotion, even if it makes some sort of storyline sense. Reminds me of when Bischoff was trying to buy WCW and wanted to take weeks off to build to a return, to which Time Warner said absolutely not as that time had ad spots that needed running and WCW already owed make good money. Also, it basically encourages your fans to go find something else to occupy their time.
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Defenestrategy posted:There are more indefensible Vince moments than 6, Austins heel turn is sorta defendable Austin wanted to go heel, his character had been literally doing the same schtick since late '96, and the main event heel selection was getting really really thin. It didn't end up so great, but not "losing his drat mind" moment worthy such as... '95 King of the Ring would be my #1. Vince triples down on New Generation cartoony camp in ECW country, sacrifices Taker and HBK to make fuckin Mabel KOTR, and caps it with a heatless house show tag match as a main event. No belts defended on the entire show. There are so many for Russo; this one's later in his WCW run but it's my #1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZf1QqZmYno
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El Gallinero Gros posted:A lot of it was awesome but I remember a couple defences towards the end where the perception was maybe it was time to drop the belt. Specifically Steen in Toronto and I want to say Tyler Black, too?
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Sep 14, 2022 18:46
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone try to explain just what the gently caress was going on with the Mabel push.
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Sep 14, 2022 18:49
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I don't think I've ever heard anyone try to explain just what the gently caress was going on with the Mabel push. hes big
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I'd say most of HHH's worst booking decisions are from before he officially had the book?
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