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Fuuuuuuck me. Some generals are getting *shot* for this.
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Rust Martialis posted:Fuuuuuuck me. Some generals are getting *shot* for this. some of them even by the Ukranians
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Read a report earlier where a Ukrainian general commented that the HARM played a key role in the push. Apparently they torched Russia's air defenses and were able to push forward with drones, letting them paint the Russians for artillery and direct fire.
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That's some spectacular use of technology if accurate.
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1568514522645774338?s=20&t=PyH9mgCou7nnGUGlxyno5Q ^ for context, starshe edda is extremely pro-russian regime even when other channels are normally cynical russians past the cope stage of grief  Ukrainians the opposite  tbh I kind of expected that the nearly zero posts from russian channels for almost the last 18 hours suggested that some bad and extremely chaotic poo poo was happening to the Russians, but lol ukraine may have fully outdone themselves Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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I'd say that the defeat at Kyiv was engineered by the Russians, upon which the Ukrainians capitalized. The defeat at Izyum, (assuming that the Ukrainians have secured it) has been engineered by Ukraine, against which Russia was not able to defend.
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A.o.D. posted:I'd say that the defeat at Kyiv was engineered by the Russians, upon which the Ukrainians capitalized. The defeat at Izyum, (assuming that the Ukrainians have secured it) has been engineered by Ukraine, against which Russia was not able to defend. Seeing conflicting reports right now that Russia high-tailed it out of Izyum. Also seeing rumors that they've pulled out of Lyman.
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psydude posted:Seeing conflicting reports right now that Russia high-tailed it out of Izyum. Also seeing rumors that they've pulled out of Lyman. For something like Izyum I'm waiting for an official Ukrainian government announcement. That's not that I disbelieve what I'm seeing, just that I require official confirmation for major events.
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A.o.D. posted:I'd say that the defeat at Kyiv was engineered by the Russians, upon which the Ukrainians capitalized. The defeat at Izyum, (assuming that the Ukrainians have secured it) has been engineered by Ukraine, against which Russia was not able to defend. idk, kyiv push fell apart similarly quickly once ukraine was finally able to threaten to cut off their supply lines. they routed all the way back to the border in the course of a couple of days i'd like some better sources about izyum, but idk why russian nationalists would be lying about russians leaving izyum. it certainly appeared to be in danger of being surrounded yesterday and the only thing there really is to do in that situation when you have no reserves is to pull out as many men and materiel as you can Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:idk, kyiv push fell apart similarly quickly once ukraine was finally able to threaten to cut off their supply lines. they routed all the way back to the border in the course of a couple of days I'll have you know that was a gesture of good will on the part of the Russians. Lavrov himself said so.
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Sep 10, 2022 12:20
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psydude posted:I'll have you know that was a gesture of good will on the part of the Russians. Lavrov himself said so. Hmm, that looked a lot like a deliberate withdrawal once the Ukrainian counter attack started getting close to the danger area around the flanks and it was clear that the defence of Kyiv wasn't going to collapse with 'one more push'. Once you decide you aren't getting Kyiv then there's no reason for those troops to stick around, which is why they pull out of the whole north of the country. This feels genuinely different, they thinned the line too much and took risk and now even if it all stops here they've been unhinged from positions they really would have wanted to keep.
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The wildest part so far is the one assessment saying something like “Russians are fleeing faster than Ukraine can liberate those areas”. The D&D thread has a good title right now, as “wrong region, it’s just a sparkling rout” 
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^ that thread title was the best post I've ever made about the war lolAlchenar posted:Hmm, that looked a lot like a deliberate withdrawal once the Ukrainian counter attack started getting close to the danger area around the flanks and it was clear that the defence of Kyiv wasn't going to collapse with 'one more push'. Once you decide you aren't getting Kyiv then there's no reason for those troops to stick around, which is why they pull out of the whole north of the country. I agree this feels different and I definitely think it is different. I'm kind of in the forest of reading too much russian poo poo lately so I'm speaking a bit of that perspective. Their perspective on the april 'withdrawal' is that it happened because the logistics situation for the entire region's push was totally hosed as Ukraine put more and more pressure on their already struggling supply lines and it sure sounds like the kiev axis falling apart was more organic than anything else. the whole narrative (technically narratives) about it being planned or lmao a sign of good faith or whatever came about after the fact. That's not to say it was completely disorderly: all things considered they got a ton of people and materiel out of the kyiv region. But I think actually kind of similar to what we're seeing now, the perception from all levels of the russian military was that it had simply become untenable to keep defending that territory. it sure seems like there's a similar top-to-bottom perception about much of the northern front currently. qualitatively and quantitatively this feels different and in particular i'd agree that it's a lot more actively Ukraine's doing, but it's fascinating how if the seasons weren't opposite, a lot of the footage of captured radars and command vehicles and riverbanks scattered with gear is indistinguishable from what we saw in april btw if wagner telegram is to be believed, this might be an april-scale 'withdrawal' Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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Sep 10, 2022 12:41
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Some people on telegram are claiming they've left a bunch of poo poo behind.
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psydude posted:Some people on telegram are claiming they've left a bunch of poo poo behind. Yeah, they probably did leave their field latrines behind.
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new website idea: gathering of juggalos OR Russian army camp
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Alan Smithee posted:new website idea: gathering of juggalos OR Russian army camp Juggalos don't dig crosshatch trench patterns for their ammunition storage, so it'd be a pretty simple game...
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Nero is opening a ferris-wheel while the Northern front is collapsing  https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1568569887605362688?s=20&t=43giFPLTQahpr1p7esa18w It's been a great morning to wake up and realize that the Ukrainians have collapsed a huge section of the Russian front within a week. e: Ukrainians definitely entering Izyum https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1568567011906654212?s=20&t=43giFPLTQahpr1p7esa18w
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Xakura posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUdVxJH6yI (The sound at 2:17 is pretty good) The kinetics will almost always end up winning. Lasers I think will remain valuable against drones and slow missiles. But we can always make bigger and faster AA missiles. It's gonna be weird but I'd expect a lot of high performance SAMs will be those 8-10m tall giants but with shorter range due to being tuned for speed
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Xakura posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUdVxJH6yI (The sound at 2:17 is pretty good) And that was five years ago. That noise is still horrifying.
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I’m enjoying the take on Twitter and CSPAM that this is all a carefully designed retrograde action to lure the Ukrainian army into a trap.
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ironically pretty much anyone who speaks russian is entirely aware of what's going on, meanwhile american/anglo supporters of russia are both way the gently caress less cynical about literally everything to do with russia and also get their info after it's filtered through a couple pro-russian layers of media like even among russian nationalists the pov is that it's pretty much to be expected that incompetent fuckwit bandits in charge of stuff hosed everything up E: also lines are moving pretty significantly around kherson and we might get something else, too Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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M_Gargantua posted:The kinetics will almost always end up winning. Lasers I think will remain valuable against drones and slow missiles. Based on what davecrazy posted:I’m enjoying the take on Twitter and CSPAM that this is all a carefully designed retrograde action to lure the Ukrainian army into a trap. CSPAM delenda est
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ironically pretty much anyone who speaks russian is entirely aware of what's going on, meanwhile american/anglo supporters of russia are both way the gently caress less cynical about literally everything to do with russia and also get their info after it's filtered through a couple pro-russian layers of media Yeah, this is a translated Russian reaction to Putin's complete inaction to stop something like this from happening and it's so much more critical than your average tankie which, last I checked, was mulling the "dear leader Putin was forced into launching this war of liberation unprepared by the perfidious West" narrative.  e: https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1568582302720196609?s=20&t=43giFPLTQahpr1p7esa18w
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Xakura posted:Based on what Based on physics e; it would take 2.5kg of mass budget to make an SM-3 laser resistant with zirconia, that's a 0.1% increase. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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It must be getting really bad for Russia. War Thunder has shut down their in-game chat again. The last time they did this was when Russian got it's rear end kicked during the original invasion.
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M_Gargantua posted:Based on physics What does that do to your balance, to your guidance package, to your launcher, to your handling? Not saying you're wrong, but it's not as simple as spray painting a coating.
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Generation Internet posted:Nero is opening a ferris-wheel while the Northern front is collapsing 
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The HIMARS pounding around Kherson is going to go down as a case study in masterful mildec.
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Godholio posted:What does that do to your balance, to your guidance package, to your launcher, to your handling? Agreed, its not 1950's simple, but its modern engineering simple. If you're going against scifi laser defenses the solutions are already available and a solved physics problem. Just like adding EA and EP, its just one more layer of battlespace you have to spec and build for in the process. You either 1) boost faster so you smack the threat before the ablation finished or 2) Add ablative armor so you smack the threat before the ablation finishes. Even a partial ablation will add a off axis torque to the fusalage, which the control surfaces have to have the software and speed to account for or else the missile will tumble and then its own aero forces will tear it apart. Combined with EWAR Lasers just become like flares or chaff in that they're annoying to your hit rate but overall defeatable.
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Raged posted:It must be getting really bad for Russia. War Thunder has shut down their in-game chat again. The last time they did this was when Russian got it's rear end kicked during the original invasion. lmao
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The Russian feint is gaining speed https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1568595931112640514?s=20&t=P4GB_G5bxL8wpc6OTLCyUg
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Generation Internet posted:The Russian feint is gaining speed I put that firmly in the 'rumour and gossip' category but it would be absolutely hilarious if after eight years Russia gives up Luhansk in a week.
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Alchenar posted:I put that firmly in the 'rumour and gossip' category but it would be absolutely hilarious if after eight years Russia gives up Luhansk in a week. I've been trying to contain my optimism all week and every time I think "there's no way Ukraine has been THAT successful" there's a picture of them in a new town the next day.
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Alchenar posted:I put that firmly in the 'rumour and gossip' category but it would be absolutely hilarious if after eight years Russia gives up Luhansk in a week. Kyiv Post is reporting on it. https://mobile.twitter.com/kyivpost/status/1568596285254410240?s=46&t=oZuD_nKJiUl__HfQFPto7g
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