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V. Illych L. posted:again, the main piece of leverage that V has against an S minority government is a snap election, and they will not cause a snap election over anything from which SD is likely to profit significantly The main takeaway for Swedish parties this term is that there is nothing to lose on calling ultimatums. And we only get a snap election if the ruling party calls for it, which won’t happen since S will either cave in or end up as the only option for a possible coalition. S is not likely to call for a snap election since they will lose on it. At this point in the election process, I am mostly interested in how the polls are wrong compared to the final figures. Turnout will be a factor, where especially S is dependent on a higher turnout. At least historically.
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BigglesSWE posted:I'm old enough to remember people thought AfS would breach 4& in 2018. Name one non-Gustav Kasselstrand person who believed that
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Cardiac posted:The main takeaway for Swedish parties this term is that there is nothing to lose on calling ultimatums. And we only get a snap election if the ruling party calls for it, which won’t happen since S will either cave in or end up as the only option for a possible coalition. S is not likely to call for a snap election since they will lose on it. wouldn't there realistically be a snap election if the government lost a vote of no confidence or have i misunderstood the implications here
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Pape's husband pretended to be Jewish and faithfully attending synagogue his whole life. 
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V. Illych L. posted:1) your individual vote does not matter.. true https://data.val.se/partier/anmalda?valtyp=RD pick one at random
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V. Illych L. posted:wouldn't there realistically be a snap election if the government lost a vote of no confidence or have i misunderstood the implications here It is only the sitting coalition that can call for a snap election or the speaker once 4 coalitions have been voted down. After last election, the sitting coalition was voted down as fast as possible to stop any chances of this. So a snap election basically only happens if the sitting government wants it for whatever reason. And S don’t generally want this, as seen last 4 years where S have lost the budget twice and one no confidence vote last summer, and still they remained in power. One should note that S have had extremely weak governments for the last 8 years, but have managed to rule due to a weak and divided opposition. Losing 3 budgets in 8 years is not exactly a great track record.
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I'm a little amazed that for as weak as the S coalition is. The right wing Alliance has been doing even worse. Step by step.
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The blue block is just really bad, with nothing to offer. Very anecdotal, but my entire family votes conservative and the only ones staying the course with those parties are the ones that were salivating at the thought of another Ådalen but with brown people after Ebba's "just shoot them" take. Everyone else is saying that they'll vote blank this year because every option is so poo poo. They might consider S but are terrified of giving V influence, so I guess S leadership does read the room correctly when they're publicly ruling out a government with V. I'm just not sure this potential voter group is listening, or caring. I've been trying to steer my mother towards donating her vote to MP with the motivation that she cares about environmental issues and it's better her vote counts towards something. She, a lifelong M voter, thinks private schools should be abolished and all schools should be state-run, and that all energy companies and railway companies should be 100% state owned. She really ought to consider V, but at the mere hint the garlic and the silver cross come out.
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Feliday Melody posted:I'm a little amazed that for as weak as the S coalition is. The right wing Alliance has been doing even worse. Step by step. It is easy to bluster. But at every single turn this last term, Ulf did a Charlie Brown at the football kick as the center-left coalition simply had more to work with. And the extremely disparate opinions of four right wing parties, that span from nationalistic conservative to free market liberals, especially when they don’t operate based on a common agenda like during Alliansen, is extremely fertile ground for infighting. Both within and between parties. They basically have no common agenda except wanting to be in power when you break it down to actual political issues.
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Demographics are super-clear when it comes to V. There is an entire generation, growing progressively older as time passes, who will never ever vote for V.
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KDs ads are notable for containing no policies whatsoever. Just a picture of Ebba Busch promising a new government. She can't be as personally popular with their base as she assumes. I feel like she just bullies the campaign staff to put her picture everywhere, and they won't argue.
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Feliday Melody posted:KDs ads are notable for containing no policies whatsoever. Just a picture of Ebba Busch promising a new government. Lol would you be surprised that KD has demograpgically gone from a medium sized party mostly supported by the elderly to a small party mostly supported by young men after she took over? It’s a one tone party based on a blonde woman screaming ”shoot the criminals” (Except her. You know, the brown criminals. The Others)
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I had low expectations but Johan Pehrson managed to perform even worse than that. Amazed by how bad he was at debating.
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It was like he could not open his mouth without reciting every single political proposal the Liberal party have ever pushed for.
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Seagull Fiasco posted:The blue block is just really bad, with nothing to offer. Very anecdotal, but my entire family votes conservative and the only ones staying the course with those parties are the ones that were salivating at the thought of another Ådalen but with brown people after Ebba's "just shoot them" take. Everyone else is saying that they'll vote blank this year because every option is so poo poo. They might consider S but are terrified of giving V influence, so I guess S leadership does read the room correctly when they're publicly ruling out a government with V. I'm just not sure this potential voter group is listening, or caring. What is it with the hysterical overreaction against V? Is it just a remnant of cold war red scare or something? Do they think that V is going to turn this into a failed communist state (instead of the currently failed liberal state)? lilljonas posted:Lol would you be surprised that KD has demograpgically gone from a medium sized party mostly supported by the elderly to a small party mostly supported by young men after she took over? It’s a one tone party based on a blonde woman screaming ”shoot the criminals” KD and SD are basically copy pasting the american alt-rights trademark tactics, right down to pre-emptively crying about election fraud https://tidningensyre.se/2022/5-september-2022/sds-partisekreterare-valsabotage-kan-avgora-valet/ McCloud fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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McCloud posted:What is it with the hysterical overreaction against V? Is it just a remnant of cold war red scare or something? Do they think that V is going to turn this into a failed communist state (instead of the currently failed liberal state)? Nah, they just see that V is a party for the privileged middle class in larger cities . Nooshi showed that quite well in last nights debate. And if you wonder why the schools are not a larger issue, it is simply since the majority of the parties will do nothing about it. S will be dependent on C for majority and they like todays school system. So good luck with that.
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Cardiac posted:Nah, they just see that V is a party for the privileged middle class in larger cities . The idea that V is for privileged middle class is divorced from reality
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Anyone else getting spammed by the different parties here in Sweden? I'm getting SMS messages from all of them, begging me to vote for them or not vote for others. God drat
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Zzulu posted:Anyone else getting spammed by the different parties here in Sweden? I'm getting SMS messages from all of them, begging me to vote for them or not vote for others. God drat 
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Zzulu posted:Anyone else getting spammed by the different parties here in Sweden? I'm getting SMS messages from all of them, begging me to vote for them or not vote for others. God drat I received one from M and protip: don’t send women unsolicited “specially recorded video”. Weird look, Ulf! 
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Most right-wingers that I encounter are incredibly mad at MP and never even talk about V. I have no idea why MP makes them so angry. Maybe V just feels like less of a threat.
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Their role in dismantling nuclear power, but to be frank, that's not just limited to the right wing loving hating MP on that account.
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Feliday Melody posted:Most right-wingers that I encounter are incredibly mad at MP and never even talk about V. I have no idea why MP makes them so angry. Right wing angry men hates MP with a burning passion because their right to cheap petrol is about three fourths of what they care about in politics.
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McCloud posted:What is it with the hysterical overreaction against V? Is it just a remnant of cold war red scare or something? Do they think that V is going to turn this into a failed communist state (instead of the currently failed liberal state)? It's generational, it's clear as day in the demographics. To a large part of the population who were alive during the height of the cold war V is still just VPK. 
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MiddleOne posted:It's generational, it's clear as day in the demographics. To a large part of the population who were alive during the height of the cold war V is still just VPK. Yeah, I never heard my dad discuss anything remotely political about Sweden except when I mentioned once one of those voter compass things said I should vote for V. My dad and my aunt (both born in the 1930s) were utterly mortified. I’m not entirely convinced it’s ethical for me to vote in Sweden elections since I haven’t lived there in 30 years but hey they send me the materials and people seem to love getting to be the official witnesses. Writing down their address always gives people pause but I ask them what exactly they think the government of Sweden is going to do with their (already publicly available) mailing address. I just found out that my childhood friend in Sweden is getting involved in some local politics and is now a part of some KD farmer outreach program or something. He sent me a paywalled local news article where he was with Ebba at some campaign kickoff event  I knew he was a bit right-leaning since I’m from the Skåne-ist of Skåne but goddamn. My V vote cancels out his I guess 
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david_a posted:
Good man
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david_a posted:
Just out of interest, where? Personally I would locate that at maybe... Sjöbo? Höör-området? Örkelljunga is afaik the only kommun with an out-and-out Nazi party competing. But to be honest it's too hilly and wooden to be real Skåne... It's more of a Halland vibe up there...
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My wife is gonna get to vote for Riksdag for the first time and she's very excited!
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Konec Hry posted:Just out of interest, where? Personally I would locate that at maybe... Sjöbo? Höör-området? Örkelljunga is afaik the only kommun with an out-and-out Nazi party competing. But to be honest it's too hilly and wooden to be real Skåne... It's more of a Halland vibe up there... Österlen
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McCloud posted:What is it with the hysterical overreaction against V? Is it just a remnant of cold war red scare or something? Do they think that V is going to turn this into a failed communist state (instead of the currently failed liberal state)?
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Isn’t it true though that V has never formally renounced some of their old extreme positions? I got the impression this was somewhat intentional because they want to hold on to some of their older tankie voters.
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Nah, it's because they're good positions.
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I don’t know, anything I know about Swedish politics I’ve had to piece together from websites since I left well before schooling covered anything beyond ancient history. Wasn’t V more or less run by the Soviet Communist Party at one point?
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david_a posted:I don’t know, anything I know about Swedish politics I’ve had to piece together from websites since I left well before schooling covered anything beyond ancient history. Wasn’t V more or less run by the Soviet Communist Party at one point? quote:You are communists! please don't hurt our feelings, don't call us commies 
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And I voted. Playing it safe and going straight S. They installed those screens here, so you can anonymously pick party pamphlets this time. The last 2 elections those were just placed out in the open, so you would have 5-6 people picking at them at the same time. Also known as the "screw SD" approach. It was also very corona themed, so even though I arrived at 8:10. I still had to stand in line, and they let in 1-2 people at a time. I wonder how it's going to look between 11-12 when 80% of the municipality arrives to vote.
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Now this is great. https://twitter.com/BlagulaBilen/status/1568864640729518084?s=20&t=qXHd9MPUmC_KSr6v9W1yLQ
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thotsky posted:Nah, it's because they're good positions. lol Well on another note, voted MP. Now if they screw this up I am never voting tactically for them ever again. Went V and S for Municipal and County/Region respectively.
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