|
davidspackage posted:Star Trek: Roddenberry Paramount should so a Star Trek documentary in the vein of Light and Magic on Disney+. I would like to see the Trek equivalent of that part where it cuts between George Lucas and John Dykstra going Lucas: I was leaving the studio angry every day because nothing was getting done. Dykstra: We were putting in 18 hour days just building the stuff we needed to build the stuff we needed to make the movie because it literally didn't exist yet.
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 18:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:17 |
|
|
Goddamn the spore drive is a dumb loving concept
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:00
|
|
|
Hollismason posted:Goddamn the spore drive is a dumb loving concept
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:06
|
|
|
Hollismason posted:Goddamn the spore drive is a dumb loving concept
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:12
|
|
|
I mean the concept of a jump drive in the Star Trek universe is interesting, making it run on mushrooms, however, is pretty 
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:13
|
|
|
A drive that can explore new reaches of the galaxy is a great concept. But I don't think discovery has used it for that even once on purpose.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:14
|
|
|
The secret ingredient is mushrooms
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:15
|
|
|
the mycelial network lol
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:19
|
|
|
Also lol at whatever producer was like: “MAKE IT SPIN!” “Like how?” “ALL MUST SPIN!”
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:24
|
|
|
nine-gear crow posted:Paramount should so a Star Trek documentary in the vein of Light and Magic on Disney+. I would like to see the Trek equivalent of that part where it cuts between George Lucas and John Dykstra going Problem is that most of the principals involved are dead. Really, the closest we'll come is the Fifty-Year Mission books, and Return to Tomorrow by Preston Neal Jones.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:26
|
|
|
The BLACK ALERT voice was cool, however
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:36
|
|
|
I for one absolutely believe mycelium could find some way to grow under the whole loving universe, but I'm less enthusiastic about routinely using it to teleport ships What really should have happened is the mycelial network developed defenses against Discovery and every time they tried to jump it would just make them collectively hallucinate an adventure until the crew no longer felt any need to jump. Keep increasing the severity until one of the trips is fatal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:52
|
|
|
PerniciousKnid posted:we're gonna get endless prequels of prequels at least until we meet present day. Yup, and in fairness it's not just Star Trek. I read in the 'Who Greenlit This Movie' thread that Disney is going to do a Lion King prequel starring Mufasa. Hollywood is a feedback loop of creating nostalgia, making buck off of it and then selling your own nostalgia back to you.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:54
|
|
|
The mushroom network would be less annoying if the character responsible for being its overlord or whatever wasn't named after the real life mushroom guy. In a show that names Elon Musk (ugh), did Stamets parents name him Paul knowing he'd grow up to be king of the mushroom realm? It's still dumb, though. However, oy vey the way they did it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 20:58
|
|
|
I hate it because it's taking the narratively interesting story and assuming there's infinite narratively interesting stories leading up to it and that's not always the case at all The narratively interesting was built to be so, it's already structured around the parts of story that bring us tension and catharsis. Prequels never do anything but undermine those by setting things up too neatly. The unseen, unknown, unexpected all gets over-explained until a story that is by its nature just-so seems even more so. Wendy's
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 21:01
|
|
|
 No wonder they got ambushed, their science officer is studying for a calculus test instead of doing his job!
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 21:01
|
|
|
Captain Spock grading students' tests when he should be watching their backs 
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 21:15
|
|
|
Arglebargle III posted:
As we've firmly established though 
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 21:18
|
|
|
The spore drive is weird and cool and not even among the top 50 issues with Disco.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 21:48
|
|
|
F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Yup, and in fairness it's not just Star Trek. I read in the 'Who Greenlit This Movie' thread that Disney is going to do a Lion King prequel starring Mufasa. Hollywood is a feedback loop of creating nostalgia, making buck off of it and then selling your own nostalgia back to you.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2022 22:36
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The spore drive is weird and cool and not even among the top 50 issues with Disco. It's one of those can of worms things where they gotta make excuses why you can't use the spore drive to instantly solve problem x or problem y. It's like how transporters are blocked by everything from shields to particularly ornery coffee makers, or how the warp drive goes out every time a ship gets into combat; those things gotta be done so that danger can be injected into the plot. Except for the spore drive the sheer versatility and scale of it means they gotta make excuses as to why it doesn't work for X situation on a practically cosmic level. It's like how everyone pretends that transporting to a ship light years away at warp speed never happened after ST09, because otherwise they'd have to write around it. A similar thing happened in Stargate with the infamous '3 shots disintegrates' guns; they just had to pretend that never happened so they didn't have to address it *every time they shot someone*. On a personal level I also find it irritating that they found it necessary to make the Disco a special snowflake unique ship. The Enterprises have been the Federation flagships but they've never been intrinsically special; it's always that their crew has been the best. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Sep 11, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 00:33
|
|
|
Spore drive is loving dumb
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 00:37
|
|
|
They could have just explained that all the spinning makes everybody on the ship barf and that's why it never went i to full production
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 00:39
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:The spore drive is cool 
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 00:42
|
|
|
Hollismason posted:Spore drive is loving dumb
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 01:03
|
|
|
I was going to joke "when are they going to make a Star Trek show set in present day but I guess they sorta just did that.TheDeadlyShoe posted:
Uh the Defiant has Starfleet's only legal-ish cloaking device.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 01:31
|
|
|
yes, but, *a list of a thousand hypocritical excuses*
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 01:32
|
|
|
I saw a clip from Picard and it looked like the Borg were using guns. As in firearms that fire bullets. Is that right? If so do they explain why they are using guns and not like beam weapons? Is it going to be because bullets bypass Borg shields even though the Borg are the only ones with adaptive shields?
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:08
|
|
|
Qpid is such an insane idea for an episode. Real TOS S3 vibe.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:13
|
|
|
BattleMaster posted:I saw a clip from Picard and it looked like the Borg were using guns. As in firearms that fire bullets. Is that right? If so do they explain why they are using guns and not like beam weapons? Is it going to be because bullets bypass Borg shields even though the Borg are the only ones with adaptive shields? Dr. Soong's ancestor made a deal with the time-traveling Borg Queen, who basically took control over one of Picard's shipmates for reasons, that she would help him kill Picard and Co if she could be given access to their ship. Soong just out of the blue hires some mercs and the Queen kind of assimilates them (but it's really not the normal way of assimilation and doesn't really make sense) and that's why they have guns. This is supposed to take place in 2024.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:20
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:So it's really stupid (which I can say for a lot from this show). Thanks. "They have guns because they don't have access to sci-fi beam weapons" is actually a much more reasonable explanation than I thought it would be. I thought it was going to be that they just have guns because it's cool and edgy or something.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:23
|
|
|
The mercs completely come out of nowhere. In one scene the Queen shows up in Soong's office, and then in the next they are both in some warehouse with these mercs who she proceeds to assimilate.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:24
|
|
|
FlamingLiberal posted:The mercs completely come out of nowhere. In one scene the Queen shows up in Soong's office, and then in the next they are both in some warehouse with these mercs who she proceeds to assimilate. They also somehow manage to get from Los Angeles, to La Barre, France in about 2 hours somehow without the excuse of having a transporter like Picard and co. do.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 03:50
|
|
|
SporeDrive.gif: Edit: finding the above gif made me explore a rabbit hole called Swear Trek:  
jeeves fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 11, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 04:22
|
|
|
Man, the STVI 4k looks so so so much better than the old blu-ray. Watching it on my 110" screen with laser projector, so much more detail. Gone is the nasty DNR.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 04:36
|
|
|
Watched the BR of the TMP Director's Edition, and drat, it's a good thing Star Trek: Phase II never happened because the guy who would have been Xon, the Spock replacement, was terrible as the Epsilon 9 commander. Real "reading off cue cards in an amateur production where he knows nothing about the context of his scene" energy. There are actually quite a few wooden planks in the film, which shows that even one of the most expensive films ever made at the time with an A-list Oscar-winning director can struggle to find actors with the necessary chops to deliver a very specific kind of technical dialogue convincingly. Hell, Shatner's wife was in the cast and you'd think would be able to get tips on how to say a line like "Confirmed, vessel is floating free" without sounding like a text-to-speech program, but nope.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 08:19
|
|
|
TMP wasn't as expensive as it is on paper, they rolled the costs for Phase II and Planet of the Titans into its budget for tax reasons.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 09:12
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:TMP wasn't as expensive as it is on paper, they rolled the costs for Phase II and Planet of the Titans into its budget for tax reasons. And to give everyone who took points on net instead of points on gross a nasty haircut, lol
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 09:18
|
|
|
Brawnfire posted:I for one absolutely believe mycelium could find some way to grow under the whole loving universe, but I'm less enthusiastic about routinely using it to teleport ships This sets up the only acceptable ending for Discovery: anything after the first "spore jump" is actually the entire crew having a joint mushroom trip, which becomes increasingly dumb as their brains are getting fried.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 12:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:17 |
|
|
Well now they've made it so that they've duplicated the Spore Drive and built a second generation version that can be fitted on any ship as long as you have a navigator, which makes it make even less sense that this dumb 800 year old ship is in service any more, refit or no.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2022 12:24
|
|