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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




SlowBloke posted:

Having a lightweight modular vehicle usually ends up in the armor package being an option rarely purchased due to prices, which is a worry for a country without endless defense budgets. I think our army Iveco LMV armor packs cover less than 15% of the fleet(the burned out husks of the Russian army Rhys licensed variant in Ukraine were always without).

I think that doesn’t sound too crazy for us. The context here would be that we’re buying 200+ Patria 6x6 vehicles already - that fits 2000 passengers, using baby math, and our army proper is 1 mechanised infantry brigade. Since 6x6 has a fuel tank for roughly 1.2 Latvias across, and can go 100 kmph on highway, the users for this buggy, if it passes testing and all the parts involved in making it a product they can legally sell to NATO armed force, would basically be non-frontline national guardsmen?

Simultaneously, it could trivially be a grift scheme, though. Our current defence minister is hardly the most inspiring career official.

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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I think that doesn’t sound too crazy for us. The context here would be that we’re buying 200+ Patria 6x6 vehicles already - that fits 2000 passengers, using baby math, and our army proper is 1 mechanised infantry brigade. Since 6x6 has a fuel tank for roughly 1.2 Latvias across, and can go 100 kmph on highway, the users for this buggy, if it passes testing and all the parts involved in making it a product they can legally sell to NATO armed force, would basically be non-frontline national guardsmen?

Simultaneously, it could trivially be a grift scheme, though. Our current defence minister is hardly the most inspiring career official.

One thing that is worrisome of this kind of vehicles, where the core units is a over glorified dune buggy with poo poo strapped on, is that its chassis is sometimes far from sturdy. One Iveco LMV got into a crash with a Smart Fortwo(hitting the security cell of the Smart) where the smart got some side panels damage and the lmv got totaled.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




SlowBloke posted:

One thing that is worrisome of this kind of vehicles, where the core units is a over glorified dune buggy with poo poo strapped on, is that its chassis is sometimes far from sturdy. One Iveco LMV got into a crash with a Smart Fortwo(hitting the security cell of the Smart) where the smart got some side panels damage and the lmv got totaled.



:staredog: What the hell?

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

cinci zoo sniper posted:

:staredog: What the hell?

Private doing driving lessons. During the session the steering rack hosed itself and made the driver lose control of the vehicle, it then side swept the smart making it flip. Private and trainer ended up being medevac'd while the smart driver didn't have much of a scratch.

https://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/trieste/cronaca/2014/04/15/news/blindato-dell-esercito-si-ribalta-centra-una-smart-che-resta-in-piedi-1.9055385

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
"Crashing into a Smart car" is probably not one of the top threats for the vehicle so they're not designed for that

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
A full speed Smart probably* has about as much kinetic energy as an APFSDS penetrator, so the LMV is arguably as sturdy as a main battle tank.

*not doing the math

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

mobby_6kl posted:

"Crashing into a Smart car" is probably not one of the top threats for the vehicle so they're not designed for that

I would say a vehicle that is supposed to deal with a war shouldn't bend its chassis that easily.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

cinci zoo sniper posted:


Simultaneously, it could trivially be a grift scheme, though. Our current defence minister is hardly the most inspiring career official.

It's almost certainly this.

I'm half hoping, half expecting that Latvian defense procurement during the war are going to be the bread and butter of investigative journalists 4-5 years down the line.

I'm mostly basing that on the parliamentary secretary for the MoD being a person with a very interesting career track. During the last decade she went from leading the payday loan lobby to leading the construction company lobby to her current role, going from one booming goldmine to the next.

Iceache
Jul 9, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Huh, apparently there’s a homegrown Humvee-style vehicle development pretty far along the development track in Latvia.

*snip*

Also, I should probably do an elections effortpost. Not in the least because that’s the most reliable method that I can come up with to force myself to read manifestos of all the clowns running this year, like LPV or KuK.

At least the party "Vienoti Latvijai" (United for Latvia) will make this task easier.

This is their entire manifesto. 8 of their 28 candidates are unemployed so they did have time to make something better.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Iceache posted:

At least the party "Vienoti Latvijai" (United for Latvia) will make this task easier.

This is their entire manifesto. 8 of their 28 candidates are unemployed so they did have time to make something better.

I’ll be doing the effort post on the weekend, but in the meantime I’ll steal this teaser from Twitter.

https://twitter.com/sprattys/status/1567441789459611648

For non-locals, this is a popular “party compass” quiz, which in this case shows pro-Russia populists/contrarians as the only party with meaningful overlap for someone replying “I both agree and disagree with this” to all questions.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
loving centrists.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Unfortunately, not every party has agreed to submit their answers for the compass, and so it only covers roughly half of the electoral lists, effectively having a fairly big blind spot with Harmony’s omission. Or formerly big at the very least, since pre-election party ratings could spell out a scenario as dire as loss of 2/3 of the voter base.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/a4toslu4ilos/status/1568228885741064193

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
Lmao, good idea to start looking into booking an appointment early to avoid the queues

That post is also probably punishable by at least a fine for discrediting the armed forces

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Yeah it’s a solid “10 years in prison” meme

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
okay i may be high but i am dying

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1568921971894755333

lunael1982
Oct 19, 2012
Sorry for using this thread for tourist questions but I would ask recommendations to do/eat/experience in Warsaw? I was gifted four night trip to Warsaw at end of this month. I am Finnish if that matters. Thanks for advance.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




It’s perfectly fine to ask tourist questions here, don’t sweat it

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

The answer of course is it depends on what you like doing.

The bog standard thing is the Royal Gardens, which you should do on a Sunday because until September 25th there are free Chopin piano recitals at the Chopin monument at 12 and 16. You should also go to Wilanow Royal Palace and the Old Town. Stroll down Nowy Swiat and Krakowskie Przedmiescie for the quintessential touristy experience. Take the elevator to the top of the Palace of Culture and enjoy the Stalinist architecture.

You also want to go to the Warsaw Uprising museum and Polin, the Jewish history museum.

As far as entertainment, catch some pre-war Warsaw vibes on Zabkowska in the Praga District, visit the old Koneser vodka factory there. Go to Plac Zbawiciela in the afternoon to hang out with the cool kids in the cafes there, or to Mazowiecka street at night for the trendy clubs. Get shopping done in the mega-malls at Zlote Tarasy and the surrounding area right smack in the downtown.

That's off the top of my head. Drop me a PM and I'll give you some more pointers if you'd like.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

lunael1982 posted:

Sorry for using this thread for tourist questions but I would ask recommendations to do/eat/experience in Warsaw? I was gifted four night trip to Warsaw at end of this month. I am Finnish if that matters. Thanks for advance.
There's a tourism thread in Ask/Tell, you can try there for more suggestions.

All the downtown area around the market square and Royal Castle (you can get tickets to go inside)
Neon Muzem. Seriously my #1 thing, gives a lot of historical and cultural background than you'd expect.
Warsaw Uprising Museum
POLIN museum of Polish Jews
Palace of Culture and Science, it's a gigantic commie building and you can get a great view from the observation deck
Copernicus Science Centre is better for kids IMO

Try eating in a "Bar Mleczny" for an authentic experience :v:

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 7 days!)

Book tickets at the Copernicus ahead of time, they sell out :(

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

Man, I hate Nowy Świat. It's the boring trendy plasticky street with boring overpriced food and drink places. It'd be vastly better to start somewhere around Uprising Museum and go east, passing the last of old decrepit buildings still left on Łucka st, or remnants of industrial railroad buildings near Warsaw West Station.

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

https://twitter.com/travelgov/status/1569666433738473473?s=46&t=uee4AeeplG5qJdSqasrsmw
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1569589439185432576

This fighting in Armenia proper, not NK.

FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Sep 13, 2022

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




I wonder what’s the objective there.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
Got my mail vote ballots for the Latvian parliamentary election today. I mentioned it to my Polish colleagues and they claim to be mildly jealous, as apparently Poland is making it really hard for the diaspora/absentee voters to vote from abroad. I don't know why that surprised me.

Cinci, how's the effortpost coming along?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




a podcast for cats posted:

Got my mail vote ballots for the Latvian parliamentary election today. I mentioned it to my Polish colleagues and they claim to be mildly jealous, as apparently Poland is making it really hard for the diaspora/absentee voters to vote from abroad. I don't know why that surprised me.

Cinci, how's the effortpost coming along?

I’ve gone through 11 of 19 lists, but have to rewrite what I did for most of them, as my thoughts on the optimal format of presentation have meaningfully shifted along the way. My current plan is post it on Thursday evening, but I don’t mind trying to hurry up, if that’s the implication.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
No rush on my behalf, my mind has been made up. Just curious about reading it is all.

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

a podcast for cats posted:

Got my mail vote ballots for the Latvian parliamentary election today. I mentioned it to my Polish colleagues and they claim to be mildly jealous, as apparently Poland is making it really hard for the diaspora/absentee voters to vote from abroad. I don't know why that surprised me.

Cinci, how's the effortpost coming along?

Thanks for reminding me, I really should call the Polish consulate here in Toronto and get my passport. I may have to start from scratch with proving citizenship as I only had a passport at 14 because my mom got it for me, and they're now asking for me to provide a PESEL number and whatnot, which I don't have.

Speaking of, what are the actual rules on voting from abroad? I generally don't follow Polish politics that closely, but how does it work as a citizen who's never resided in the good ol' RP? Figured you guys could use an extra vote that isn't PiS or PO.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




a podcast for cats posted:

No rush on my behalf, my mind has been made up. Just curious about reading it is all.

For Thursday it remains then. Not sure whom I’ll going to vote for yet myself, but the coalition at this point looks reasonably straightforward - JV is going to score like 25-30%. NA and AS are going to be 10-15% parties, and PRO and A/P 5-10%. NA and A/P have both caused friction for various reasons in the current government, so the only thing that I cannot predict confidently is which of the two is going to get cast out into opposition, if it comes down to that.

I would say for the specific coalition makeup my logic would be that we are going to get JV-AS-PRO, and, if that lacks the majority, or simply to have a bigger group, they will more likely go with A/P over NA, since NA’s gay marriage manoeuvring will make it much harder to sell PRO an alliance with NA, than to simply PR away some grumbling for letting A/P back into the government. Alternatively, we could, mathematically, get a JV-AS-NA(-A/P) coalition, but I expect JV to value young people’s support quite highly, and they’re hardly happy with NA on gay marriage either.

In other words, I guess what I’m saying is that I already want to be discussing all of this, so I need to hurry up with the post for my own sake. :v:

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 13, 2022

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

a podcast for cats posted:

Got my mail vote ballots for the Latvian parliamentary election today. I mentioned it to my Polish colleagues and they claim to be mildly jealous, as apparently Poland is making it really hard for the diaspora/absentee voters to vote from abroad. I don't know why that surprised me.

Cinci, how's the effortpost coming along?

Just the impression I get, but I've seen several countries with conservative/right wing governments make it harder for overseas citizens to vote, on account of such voters usually being more left wing than the average population.

Sir Bobert Fishbone
Jan 16, 2006

Beebort

cinci zoo sniper posted:

For Thursday it remains then. Not sure whom I’ll going to vote for yet myself, but the coalition at this point looks reasonably straightforward - JV is going to score like 25-30%. NA and AS are going to be 10-15% parties, and PRO and A/P 5-10%. NA and A/P have both caused friction for various reasons in the current government, so the only thing that I cannot predict confidently is which of the two is going to get cast out into opposition, if it comes down to that.

I would say for the specific coalition makeup my logic would be that we are going to get JV-AS-PRO, and, if that lacks the majority, or simply to have a bigger group, they will more likely go with A/P over NA, since NA’s gay marriage manoeuvring will make it much harder to sell PRO an alliance with NA, than to simply PR away some grumbling for letting A/P back into the government. Alternatively, we could, mathematically, get a JV-AS-NA(-A/P) coalition, but I expect JV to value young people’s support quite highly, and they’re hardly happy with NA on gay marriage either.

In other words, I guess what I’m saying is that I already want to be discussing all of this, so I need to hurry up with the post for my own sake. :v:

I saw some news story the other day about A/P being potentially implicated in some sort of VID-involved bribery scandal, so if that progresses much beyond "it's possible" handwaving in the near future they may find themselves the odd party out.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:

I saw some news story the other day about A/P being potentially implicated in some sort of VID-involved bribery scandal, so if that progresses much beyond "it's possible" handwaving in the near future they may find themselves the odd party out.

Oh huh, I need to catch up with Latvian news for September then. If they’re plausibly caught red handed by VID, their coalition chances are basically dead, since they already did gently caress up big with ‘rona and gambling, sitting at 2/3 of their rating for the past election. They’re being kept afloat by basically just by Pavļuts being a good communicator, and Pabriks being a weirdo in an endearing way, whose latest stint of public misogyny isn’t helping them, however.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:

I saw some news story the other day about A/P being potentially implicated in some sort of VID-involved bribery scandal, so if that progresses much beyond "it's possible" handwaving in the near future they may find themselves the odd party out.

I saw that one on TV3's Nekā Personīga last week and while I have no love lost for A/P and Jaunups, it stuck me as posturing by the extortionists. They only stand to benefit from being seen as untouchable because of protection from high up, so it makes perfect sense from them to tell that to the victim.

Edit: It was a group of VID investigators trying to shake down a businessman for a 100K bribe in order to avoid a trumped up/falsified tax evasion case. According to what they told the victim, they were part of a group that did this sort of blackmail routinely and enjoyed the protection of a power/gray eminence who's controlling a major coalition party.

a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 13, 2022

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

Torrannor posted:

Just the impression I get, but I've seen several countries with conservative/right wing governments make it harder for overseas citizens to vote, on account of such voters usually being more left wing than the average population.

Not the case in Poland. Due to significant US segment right wingers would love overseas Poles to vote. In recent times US Poles voted mostly PiS.
Unless they prepare for those hundreds of thousands that GTFO'd to Western Europe, which would probably lean left..

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
In Croatia too, the diaspora votes are overwhelmingly conservative.

From reading a bit about Swedish elections, their votes from abroad also lean right.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Turkey as well. The German Turks who can (and bother to) vote, vote AKP.

(The "and bother to vote" part is often overlooked imo, since a sizeable number of those who can vote in Turkish elections don't vote)

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

Clashes resumed in Armenia today. Prime Minister Pashinyan announced that 105 soldiers have been killed and Azerbaijan has seized areas of internationally recognized Armenia (i.e. not NK)

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1570035233537286144?s=20&t=dG54xGw7GhJrcd_CNJYIcw

Russian media is reporting that they've invoked or inquired about invoking Article 4 of the CSTO which would call Russia to intervene militarily.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I talked to an Armenian friend, she happened to be out of country but her daughter in in NK and the region's been sealed off. She doesn't seem to have more detail but also said that Azeris are attacking Armenia proper. I dunno if we have any leverage over Azerbaijan to get them to chill.

Just gonna post this here under the "ex-soviet = eastern europe" rule

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1570034869761179650

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

mobby_6kl posted:

I talked to an Armenian friend, she happened to be out of country but her daughter in in NK and the region's been sealed off. She doesn't seem to have more detail but also said that Azeris are attacking Armenia proper. I dunno if we have any leverage over Azerbaijan to get them to chill.

Just gonna post this here under the "ex-soviet = eastern europe" rule

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1570034869761179650

I hope she stays safe. Azerbaijan is going to use the collapse of Russia's forces and the EUs dependence on Azerbaijani oil to take as much as they can.

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




FishBulbia posted:

Clashes resumed in Armenia today. Prime Minister Pashinyan announced that 105 soldiers have been killed and Azerbaijan has seized areas of internationally recognized Armenia (i.e. not NK)

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1570035233537286144?s=20&t=dG54xGw7GhJrcd_CNJYIcw

Russian media is reporting that they've invoked or inquired about invoking Article 4 of the CSTO which would call Russia to intervene militarily.

CSTO observers are on their way already. https://www.interfax.ru/world/862010

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