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tarbrush posted:They weren't though. The Dolphins did not play well, or do anything particularly exotic, and the Patriots couldn't really put them under pressure in any phase of the game. I was just basing that off of the initial impressions from this thread and the score. It wasn't as bad as the Cowboys' offense last night, right?
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That Dugger dude was he the young CB giving Miami guys hell? The one who open field tackled Hill several times and had a PBU against Wilson? Dude showed up yesterday
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Amy Pole Her posted:That Dugger dude was he the young CB giving Miami guys hell? The one who open field tackled Hill several times and had a PBU against Wilson? He’s a safety but he was the only actually good player yesterday so maybe.
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Sep 12, 2022 16:18
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lol Flacco had the 2nd best PFF grade in the AFCe this week. 
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I’m about 99% sure i noticed the name twice. That’s a strong showing. Great play by very young DBs yesterday.
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Diva Cupcake posted:lol Flacco had the 2nd best PFF grade in the AFCe this week. tua with zero butt throws
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Diva Cupcake posted:lol Flacco had the 2nd best PFF grade in the AFCe this week. Allen and Flacco both had no fumbles, but the former had a FUM grade of 79.8 while the latter got an 82.3. Would love to see the coveted 99.9 FUM game.
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Okay but that post DID get me to check the one true advanced metric, Trent Dilfer's QBR. Guess the Patriots offense WAS worse than the Cowboys's! (Allen is 2nd behind Mahomes, Tua is 5th!)
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fsif posted:(Allen is 2nd behind Mahomes, Tua is 5th!)
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What was the butt throw?
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fsif posted:What was the butt throw? Ehud posted:tua with zero butt throws
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This is some galaxy brain poo poo right here. Get the guy no one wants as OC cause you'll never lose him.
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I don't dislike Josh Allen. But I could learn to.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:This is some galaxy brain poo poo right here. Get the guy no one wants as OC cause you'll never lose him. Patricia is a suck up who owes whatever possibly remains of his continued career to him and so will never overstep his bounds. Also he’s basically free. That’s the biggest reason why he’s here as the de facto OC.
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fsif posted:What was the butt throw? Mac Jones underthrew a receiver by a decent margin in that the dolphin defender covering him got nailed in the booty with the ball
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Amy Pole Her posted:Mac Jones underthrew a receiver by a decent margin in that the dolphin defender covering him got nailed in the booty with the ball butt throw https://twitter.com/BenBrownPL/status/1569041423768461312?s=20&t=igEE2INg182vxT8E4WVePw
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Patricia is a suck up who owes whatever possibly remains of his continued career to him and so will never overstep his bounds. Also he’s basically free. That’s the biggest reason why he’s here as the de facto OC. It's funny cause Bill has been so cutthroat with players throughout his tenure who don't perform up to expectations but apparently coaches have an endless leash.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It's funny cause Bill has been so cutthroat with players throughout his tenure who don't perform up to expectations but apparently coaches have an endless leash. Well for a long time he had one specific player who could cover up a lot of roster deficiencies if he wanted to send a message or simply made a bad decision.
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fsif posted:Okay but that post DID get me to check the one true advanced metric, Trent Dilfer's QBR. Guess the Patriots offense WAS worse than the Cowboys's! That stat just loving loves Tua for some reason. The explanation I always saw last year was that he's really good at avoiding sacks, which he did avoid a few, but he also took a few due to holding on the ball for too long.
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Also none of the idiotic stuff he did bit him in the rear end. There were a few throws that QBR has down as sensible throwaways that were in fact wierd one handed shovels while in some kind of contact. He also had a pick dropped, and Tyreek stole another one
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Why specifically QB Hits? Like, I'm sure the Bills defensive line played well because I saw it, but QB Hit % instead of a more comprehensive pressure/hit/sacks is such a dumb graph.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Why specifically QB Hits? Like, I'm sure the Bills defensive line played well because I saw it, but QB Hit % instead of a more comprehensive pressure/hit/sacks is such a dumb graph. Because it's a good stat to use to make the Bills look the best.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Why specifically QB Hits? Like, I'm sure the Bills defensive line played well because I saw it, but QB Hit % instead of a more comprehensive pressure/hit/sacks is such a dumb graph. Okay well we had seven sacks so
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But last year did make me sour on pressure % or pass rush win rate as useful statistics. The Bills were like 8th in pressure percentage and Hughes was something like in the top 10 (5?) for pass rush win rate, but Hughes finished with 1.5 sacks and quarterbacks would still leave the pocket and complete passes. Amazing how much better it is to watch Von and Phillips actually finish plays.
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LightReaper posted:Okay well we had seven sacks so fsif posted:Because it's a good stat to use to make the Bills look the best.
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Ehud posted:butt throw I foolishly thought hitting a defender in the rear end was a bad play but PFF corrected me
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Diva Cupcake posted:lol Flacco had the 2nd best PFF grade in the AFCe this week. PFF has beclowned themselves.
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Yeah, Tua had a few head scratchers but he was the better QB of the two yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3A-q7UKWOA It gets ugly at the end. Why risk it so often just to throw away.
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fsif posted:But last year did make me sour on pressure % or pass rush win rate as useful statistics. The Bills were like 8th in pressure percentage and Hughes was something like in the top 10 (5?) for pass rush win rate, but Hughes finished with 1.5 sacks and quarterbacks would still leave the pocket and complete passes. Facts Pressure means a lot less against mahomes than say yac jones
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Diva Cupcake posted:Why specifically QB Hits? Like, I'm sure the Bills defensive line played well because I saw it, but QB Hit % instead of a more comprehensive pressure/hit/sacks is such a dumb graph.
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DJ Reed balled out and had an INT and apparently his dad died before the game. Jesus. https://twitter.com/D7_Reed/status/1569083172494663683 https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1569340934969597959
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mcmagic posted:PFF has beclowned themselves. ???????? https://twitter.com/zackblatt/status/1569368114181062656?s=46&t=lnu_Fp4CuRTFVJTJTFiDdw
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Missed FG. Missed PAT. Shanked punt setting up a Ravens TD. Checks out. Also fire Braden Mann. That dude sucks.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah this is his bullshit rear end covering excuse. The truth for the current woes isnt “we sold out for a few years” it’s this: No one thinks Bill's 2018-2020 drafting was good. But in terms of money, he did sell out for the end of the Brady era. 2019 was a hail mary with Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, and Antonio Brown that didn't work. Last year you can argue either way, that Bill was stupid to spend a bunch of money on marginal FA talent without knowing who his QB was, or that he did it because he wasn't sure he could get a QB and wanted a passable run game with Cam if he was stuck with him. I look at it as Bill being unwilling to throw away a season, which is what really should have happened. 2020 should have been a complete tank year, with the goal of 2021 spending money to build a strong foundation rather than really trying to compete last year. 2022 should have been a year where refinement happened, with 2023 FA providing an opportunity to pick up the necessary pieces to become a contender again. Instead, Bill keeps committing to short-term things that can't bring the level of success that is expected for the Pats, and if his career ends in failure that's going to be the reason why. It's possible he pulls some old fashioned Johnny 5 Aces GM bullshit next year, but it's got to be his last shot and if he doesn't nail it the team will be an even bigger mess once he's gone. It's hard to judge players well when the coaching staff is a complete mess, which is another thing that falls squarely at Belichick's feet. If he had committed to rebuilding a good coaching staff, you could make more concrete assessments of players, but with a hodgepodge mess there is and will continue to be a temptation to ask how any given player/group would perform with better coaching. You could also argue that Bill hosed up by not trading Garoppolo at the peak of his value and committing to Brady long term, but if you're going to tell me that in 2016 you knew that Brady would legitimately play until 45 with no serious injuries and no decline, well good for you and go have fun in Vegas. Bill's strategy 2016-2018 resulted in 3 SB appearances and 2 championships, the idea that a team should have targeted something MORE optimal than that is insane. The issue isn't the inevitable slump after that, it's the lack of a coherent strategy to come out of it. It's still nothing more than a mild annoyance to me because the team has won so goddamn much I can't really complain, but it is definitely nowhere near optimal and that's notable. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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The Pats FA spending last year was better then you'd normally get from FA's. They signed 4 expensive guys (which okay, that's pretty ridiculous right there) and had a major hit in Judon, and your typical A money for B player in Henry, and two A money for C players in Judon and Aghalor. Add on Bourne as a B hit for C money and that's a good FA period when you're trying to build and develop a rookie. That left them hamstrung for this year in FA, but that's fine, they can be free of everything but the Judon contract this year if needed. The coaching stuff is at best a major concern, so yeah, bang on that all day. But the FA stuff and Belichick's work in the draft the last 3 offseasons has looked pretty positive.
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Week 1, grain of salt, etc. but at best the Dolphins will get a wildcard playoff game this year, tua will be judged as not good enough and have to move back in with his dad, and a divorced Tom Brady will play for Miami in 2023, which will be the year...thanks to Brady, which many of us won't be comfortable with. Brady will finally retire for good, but not before invoking a black magic ritual ensuring Miami never wins the division again. Or maybe it's wait and see.
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K8.0 posted:No one thinks Bill's 2018-2020 drafting was good. But in terms of money, he did sell out for the end of the Brady era. 2019 was a hail mary with Demaryius Thomas, Josh Gordon, and Antonio Brown that didn't work.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Weren't all of those guys on the vet minimum? They were scrap heap pickings. Thomas was cut before week 1 and Gordon was playing for peanuts yes.
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