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multistability
Feb 15, 2014
I don't see what purpose obviously fake videos like that would serve other than to discredit what we do in fact know about the royal family: Andrew is a pedo, Charles was best friends with Jimmy Saville, another notorious pedo, Saville himself was apparently introduced into the Royal Family by Lord Mountbatten, himself another pedo connected to Kincora, who was blown up by the IRA. "And on that boat there was a bomb and Mountbatten didn't last for long." Makes me proud to be Irish

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smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
youtube should be deleted from the internet holy poo poo

the Nick Crowley videos about pipergate and mrsleepypeople are insane what the gently caress

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022

multistability posted:

I don't see what purpose obviously fake videos like that would serve other than to discredit what we do in fact know about the royal family: Andrew is a pedo, Charles was best friends with Jimmy Saville, another notorious pedo, Saville himself was apparently introduced into the Royal Family by Lord Mountbatten, himself another pedo connected to Kincora, who was blown up by the IRA. "And on that boat there was a bomb and Mountbatten didn't last for long." Makes me proud to be Irish

The tweet thread says it's the other way around, the reality show was made to stage such a scene as part of a misdirection campaign to provide an alternate explanation for the existing leaked video of the nude boy. The tweet claims the window isn't dark in the reality show clip, and other differences such as the boy being aged up, which is about as convincing as it gets since it's inherently hard to prove timing of when a reality show clip was initially filmed relative to a scandal. It's a brilliant idea for a trick.

e: In fact knowing about this trick brings into question the supposed closure to the Trump piss tape clip that CSPAM found. In case you missed it, a goon noticed a 4chan user was linking 3 clips from multiple video hosts from January 2019, of Trump with pissing hookers, and these clips utterly failed to get many views thereafter. No one cared. A similarly British reality show episode (from February 2019??) was eventually found to feature that clip, explaining the computerized "faking" of the clip as a prank. The delivery of the bit was oddly unnatural-- very quickly the hosts did this awkward "oh, you think the internet is a source of truth? Here's another example (among several)! Hey look at this convincing clip of the sitting US President watching girls pee on a bed, you think it's real don't you dummy? Well sike it's NOT! WE just made it! Here's that clip being composited together in our software in lots of steps! We just FOOLED you for all of 5 seconds! Pranked!!!" Like, honestly why would anyone have done all the research required to make all the hotel room details match up, then hired someone to do relatively state of the art deepfake software methods shown, throwing in anti-leak-tracking tactics like filming a device with another device, for what amounted to a 30 second throwaway example/joke that the rest of the episode ignored? Better yet how does this square with how it turned out the internet (besides one CSPAM thread) completely ignored the leaked clips, implying that the reality show therefore made no attempt to make their "prank" go viral before it aired? Well, there's another possible explanation.

maxwellhill has issued a correction as of 19:04 on Sep 13, 2022

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

:pisstape:

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

maxwellhill posted:

The tweet thread says it's the other way around, the reality show was made to stage such a scene as part of a misdirection campaign to provide an alternate explanation for the existing leaked video of the nude boy. The tweet claims the window isn't dark in the reality show clip, and other differences such as the boy being aged up, which is about as convincing as it gets since it's inherently hard to prove timing of when a reality show clip was initially filmed relative to a scandal. It's a brilliant idea for a trick.

I'm pretty sure the building he's climbing down from in the video isn't even Buckingham Palace. Zoom into the window he's climbing out from and count the "segments", and then compare to the number of segments on an equivalent window of Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace is 1x3 whereas the window in the video is 2x2

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
The whole purpose of hoaxes is to destroy honest signalling, which humans rely on to make sense of the world

Intentionally misleading people then going “look how gullible people are!!” is only helpful if you’re looking to destroy their trust, you didn’t actually show anyone anything by doing that other than there’s no way to protect yourself from a lie if you don’t already know the truth.

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022
Reminds me of that Maxwell-connected fixer someone posted, the one who manufactured media scandals for powerful individuals to have instead of worse scandals they were a misdirection from

multistability
Feb 15, 2014
Yeah it's why QAnon, pizzagate et al are all highly effective ops. Post-pizzagate if you bring up Epstein to the average person it's highly likely you will receive some incredulous response along the lines of "lol you believe there's a cabal of elite paedophiles out there raping children in restaurant basements???" It's infuriating. The temporal proximity of the pizzagate "revelations" to the Epstein revelations makes me think they had foreknowledge of just how much poo poo was gonna leak out and how bad it was going to get, so they let the pizzagate stuff "hang out", to throw people off the scent. Similarly the "Wuhan lab leak" limited hangout, if you so much as even hint at the fact the there is a possibility SARS-CoV-2 might have been engineered you will get called a QAnon MAGA CHUD Nazi all because of some stuff Trump said at the beginning of the pandemic. It's actually a brilliant op

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

maxwellhill posted:

Reminds me of that Maxwell-connected fixer someone posted, the one who manufactured media scandals for powerful individuals to have instead of worse scandals they were a misdirection from

And the conclusion you're supposed to draw from that is that if the middling scandals are the more believable if demonstrably untrue, then the worse ones are total fabrications by people motivated to make them look bad- who as luck would have it, also engineered the lesser scandal! :newlol:

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

multistability posted:

Yeah it's why QAnon, pizzagate et al are all highly effective ops. Post-pizzagate if you bring up Epstein to the average person it's highly likely you will receive some incredulous response along the lines of "lol you believe there's a cabal of elite paedophiles out there raping children in restaurant basements???" It's infuriating. The temporal proximity of the pizzagate "revelations" to the Epstein revelations makes me think they had foreknowledge of just how much poo poo was gonna leak out and how bad it was going to get, so they let the pizzagate stuff "hang out", to throw people off the scent. Similarly the "Wuhan lab leak" limited hangout, if you so much as even hint at the fact the there is a possibility SARS-CoV-2 might have been engineered you will get called a QAnon MAGA CHUD Nazi all because of some stuff Trump said at the beginning of the pandemic. It's actually a brilliant op

Pizzagate, QAnon, Scamdemic etc. are lumped together the same as Aliens, Bigfoot, and the Kennedy assassination- if there's any credible kernel of truth, the goal becomes to get it mixed up with anything and everything that is perceived as foolish so it also rubs off and discredits the mere notion.

Johnny Cache Hit
Oct 17, 2011

multistability posted:

Yeah it's why QAnon, pizzagate et al are all highly effective ops. Post-pizzagate if you bring up Epstein to the average person it's highly likely you will receive some incredulous response along the lines of "lol you believe there's a cabal of elite paedophiles out there raping children in restaurant basements???" It's infuriating. The temporal proximity of the pizzagate "revelations" to the Epstein revelations makes me think they had foreknowledge of just how much poo poo was gonna leak out and how bad it was going to get, so they let the pizzagate stuff "hang out", to throw people off the scent. Similarly the "Wuhan lab leak" limited hangout, if you so much as even hint at the fact the there is a possibility SARS-CoV-2 might have been engineered you will get called a QAnon MAGA CHUD Nazi all because of some stuff Trump said at the beginning of the pandemic. It's actually a brilliant op

it plays on our fuzzy brain tendency to smooth out all the edges over time. so if you say something like “Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot in a single-engine Cessna, so how did he manage to handle a passenger jet, let alone execute a precise corkscrew right into the Pentagon”, all the narrative and counternarrative that had been placed into the listeners head makes them think you’re talking about holographic planes and lasers, and we know that’s a lie!

what scares me is that it used to take crisis actors, a pliable media, and a ton of investment & effort to sell a fake story. but now I can do a passable face swap deepfake in an afternoon and get it viral on social media by the evening. we are heading for an exciting war of opposing narrative that anyone can fight

Trauts
May 1, 2010
The black boxes were never found. The paper passports of the hijackers were though. Luckily.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

maxwellhill posted:

Reminds me of that Maxwell-connected fixer someone posted, the one who manufactured media scandals for powerful individuals to have instead of worse scandals they were a misdirection from

If this is about Max Clifford, he ended up being a pedo as well lol

Johnny Cache Hit
Oct 17, 2011

Trauts posted:

The black boxes were never found. The paper passports of the hijackers were though. Luckily.

why don’t they simply make the whole airplane out of Saudi passports, huh?

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


smarxist posted:

youtube should be deleted from the internet holy poo poo

the Nick Crowley videos about pipergate and mrsleepypeople are insane what the gently caress

idk who that is, link it up. i haven't had enough brain breakage this week

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

maxwellhill posted:

The tweet thread says it's the other way around, the reality show was made to stage such a scene as part of a misdirection campaign to provide an alternate explanation for the existing leaked video of the nude boy. The tweet claims the window isn't dark in the reality show clip, and other differences such as the boy being aged up, which is about as convincing as it gets since it's inherently hard to prove timing of when a reality show clip was initially filmed relative to a scandal. It's a brilliant idea for a trick.

e: In fact knowing about this trick brings into question the supposed closure to the Trump piss tape clip that CSPAM found. In case you missed it, a goon noticed a 4chan user was linking 3 clips from multiple video hosts from January 2019, of Trump with pissing hookers, and these clips utterly failed to get many views thereafter. No one cared. A similarly British reality show episode (from February 2019??) was eventually found to feature that clip, explaining the computerized "faking" of the clip as a prank. The delivery of the bit was oddly unnatural-- very quickly the hosts did this awkward "oh, you think the internet is a source of truth? Here's another example (among several), hey look at this convincing clip of the sitting US President watching girls pee on a bed, you think it's real don't you dummy? Well sike it's NOT! WE just made it! Here's that clip being composited together in our software in lots of steps! We just FOOLED you for all of 5 seconds! Pranked!!!" Like, honestly why would anyone have done all the research required to make all the hotel room details match up, then hired someone to do relatively state of the art deepfake software methods shown, throwing in deniability tactics like filming a device with another device, for what amounted to a 30 second throwaway example/joke that the rest of the episode ignored? Better yet how does this square with how it turned out the internet (besides one CSPAM thread) completely ignored the leaked clips, implying that the reality show therefore made no attempt to make their "prank" go viral before it aired? Well, there's another possible explanation.

John le Carré/David John Moore Cornwell (former UK intel dude turned author) was on NPR in 2015 explaining that if there was a compromising tape of trump there'd be a deluge of stuff talking about how easy it is to fake people into videos to cast doubt on any real video and that's basically all that's happened since then with a bajillion deepfake things flooding the internet/pop culture

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

when signal is indecipherable from noise theyll know theyve won

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
https://twitter.com/BoltzmannBooty/status/1569710688100302848

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Hooplah posted:

idk who that is, link it up. i haven't had enough brain breakage this week

The pipergate poo poo is extra nms because it's a mixture of creepy YouTube edits but was potentially part of some CP distribution thing. literally 4chan went "this is so hosed" and started a crowd sourced investigation and released a 32 page report


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEj102gNnLE



the mrsleepyhands poo poo is literally just crimes and abuse - the youtube community. apparently the original guy is gone but there are tons of videos like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sKXKn6pCY

both of these videos are pretty :nms: but nothing nws, just creep poo poo

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022
Ok but what is it about, in words? There's still not enough info here to justify starting up an hour of youtube

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

maxwellhill posted:

Ok but what is it about, in words? There's still not enough info here to justify starting up an hour of youtube

The video docs are about content creators on youtube that were found making insanely sociopathic poo poo, their followers, and the communities and legions of similar accounts that cropped around making the same type of content. one was confirmed to be a sex offender in the database who might have been distributing CP, the other is some creepy abusive person who fucks with women's eyeballs who are asleep and records it, and spawned a bunch of similar channels doing the same thing

Both of them ran for years, and had moderate followings before being found and shut down, it's mostly just like lifting a gross rock up at youtube and seeing the worst poo poo underneath, and there's apparently no way to proactively find and shut this poo poo down, someone just has to stumble across it and make enough noise or generate interest in finding out "wtf"

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

smarxist posted:

The pipergate poo poo is extra nms because it's a mixture of creepy YouTube edits but was potentially part of some CP distribution thing. literally 4chan went "this is so hosed" and started a crowd sourced investigation and released a 32 page report


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEj102gNnLE


the narrator/video author in this is really milking that thing for his audience, it's hosed up, no doubt but nothing particularly surprising. Oh you mean weird perverts like to roleplay as the object of their desire and are creepy while doing it too? wow stop the presses

I'm not particularly pessimistic or cynic or anything but go to any kind of fetish or even porn hosting website where the hosts don't curate what's posted and you will start seeing off-putting content without even trying. That someone flew under the radar for a long time on youtube because the moderator team there is stretched thin over million of reports about tens of thousands of accounts is sadly neither surprising nor newsworthy. And yeah, turns out the police is woefully incompetent at its job.

edit : I hope this come off as mean spirited, all my criticisms are of the author of the video, not of you

January 6 Survivor has issued a correction as of 00:55 on Sep 14, 2022

skipmyseashells
Nov 14, 2020
yeah, some pedo deepfaking kid pics onto weird creepy fetish videos is like a drop in a bucket compared to the other poo poo going on in this thread

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

skipmyseashells posted:

yeah, some pedo deepfaking kid pics onto weird creepy fetish videos is like a drop in a bucket compared to the other poo poo going on in this thread

Allen Dulles wouldn't even give it a second glance. Amateur hour. Pure applesauce.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




allen dumbass

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

skipmyseashells posted:

yeah, some pedo deepfaking kid pics onto weird creepy fetish videos is like a drop in a bucket compared to the other poo poo going on in this thread

what a long strange journey it has been to this valid observation

this is why you gotta take E-breaks now and again, do you can get a little crack ping from maudlin horror youtube docs about good ol fashioned hosed up weirdness

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

cum jabbar posted:

zionist afroturfers are constantly searching out criticism of israel in order to reply, either by hand or automation

canary project does this

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012




If only he used it

skipmyseashells
Nov 14, 2020

smarxist posted:

what a long strange journey it has been to this valid observation

this is why you gotta take E-breaks now and again, do you can get a little crack ping from maudlin horror youtube docs about good ol fashioned hosed up weirdness

going cold turkey just means I’ll overdose when the next insane thing either happens or gets unearthed

Ham Cheeks
Nov 18, 2012

Feeling hammy
I have a distinct memory of what I assumed was a helicopter flying around the twin towers after the first tower was hit, does anyone remember something like this?

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Ham Cheeks posted:

I have a distinct memory of what I assumed was a helicopter flying around the twin towers after the first tower was hit, does anyone remember something like this?

No, just the news choppers

Ham Cheeks
Nov 18, 2012

Feeling hammy

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

No, just the news choppers

Okay yeah, that's what it was

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die



great post/av combo

UwUnabomber
Sep 9, 2012

Pubes dreaded out so hoes call me Chris Barnes. I don't wear a condom at the pig farm.
Halfway through Ultimate Evil and Jesus Christ how are investigators this inept.

Can someone post the book list? I need more stuff for work.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Shitstorm Trooper posted:

Halfway through Ultimate Evil and Jesus Christ how are investigators this inept.

Can someone post the book list? I need more stuff for work.

I find that when people or organizations fail repeatedly to do what they’re supposed to do, then maybe their real job isn’t what you think it is, and maybe their real job is to do something that they are often quite successful at. Your task is to figure out what that job is.

Is that the Son of Sam book?

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HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I find that when people or organizations fail repeatedly to do what they’re supposed to do, then maybe their real job isn’t what you think it is, and maybe their real job is to do something that they are often quite successful at. Your task is to figure out what that job is.

Is that the Son of Sam book?

the purpose of investigators is what they uncover :eng101:

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