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one imagines that a lot of the foreign votes will have been, as someone noted, pensioners in spain, a notedly reactionary bunch
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At least more of those than the people who are saying they're going to move away because of the immigrants.
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Yeah, this is not good, oh well, getting ready for four years of pain.
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loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. Take that you leftist fuckers in this echo chamber. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cardiac posted:loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. 
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"make sweden okay again" lol guess we were never great enough for an oomphier slogan e: liberties of translation
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Cardiac posted:loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. If the living conditions of your average Svensson will improve over the next 4 years because of the blue government, I will loving eat a hat. Fortunately, I have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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Maybe once SD is finally left holding the bag on something instead of playing the poor hapless victim people will catch on that Jimmie isn't going to bring back that one summer day they remember when things were good (lol who am I kidding)
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Cardiac posted:loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. Idiot king doing a ‘I told you so’ victory round, because the thread isn’t racist enough for their liking, seems a little weird. Very scandinavian though. (USER DOESN’T THINK THERE IS THAT MUCH LEFTISM IN THIS THREAD ACTUALLY) E: certainly I’m one of the few actual leftist fuckers itt. I did a lot of leftist loving at university. Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Revelation 2-13 posted:
Obama account spotted. Anyway, I predict that whatever the gently caress happens in terms of government, it's not gonna last more than a year, tops. SD is gonna either implode, explode or cause a shitshow that will lead to either an election or a "sensible" S/M+ coalition.
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The previous government wasn't very left either IMO, just another flavour of liberalism.
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BonHair posted:Obama account spotted.
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So when the right bloc needs literally every vote from their side to ram changes through, and it is to be expected that they don't match completely on economy or value issues, then at the hope is that the new government will spend years just trying to find compromises like the Sipilä-Soini-Stubb government in Finland did before faceplanting just before elections.
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C will almost certainly support M/L/KD on a lot of specific issues and votes. There is a reason we've been running with literal right wing budget resolutions a good part of the last few years. e: still, true that C support isn't enough unless some a laying down votes, my brain hasn't caught up to the full result yet. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Jack Trades posted:If the living conditions of your average Svensson will improve over the next 4 years because of the blue government, I will loving eat a hat. It will just as it did during Alliansen! However, this time there will also be actions against mass immigration. Overall a solid result, unfortunate that SD, KD and M didn't get a majority of their own and have to rely on L but it could have been much worse with the socialists still in power.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:C will almost certainly support M/L/KD on a lot of specific issues and votes. There is a reason we've been running with literal right wing budget resolutions a good part of the last few years. But C doesn't give them a majority, they can do nothing without SD.
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How many actual SD MPs are actually right wing in any sense but the racism? I genuinely don't know, in just working backwards from DF in Denmark, where there was clearly a very socdem faction and a more classic borgerlig faction (Messerschmidt definitely fits here). If SD has the same, and a bit less authoritarian leadership, they might do some weird chaos votes to keep everyone happy internally.
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Like seriously, S and SD together hold over half of the seats. All the rest of the parties including V could get together around M and it would still be a minority.
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Nenonen posted:But C doesn't give them a majority, they can do nothing without SD. That was true before the election as well, but they still got budgets passed. Budgets arent everything ofc, but we've had a somewhat right wing majority in parliament for the last 4 years already. Admittedly they can't roll like that and eke poo poo out anymore while in government so in some ways they're more hosed this time around.
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Nenonen posted:Like seriously, S and SD together hold over half of the seats. All the rest of the parties including V could get together around M and it would still be a minority. S + SD government when?
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:It will just as it did during Alliansen! However, this time there will also be actions against mass immigration. Wait... we had socialists in power? 
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BonHair posted:How many actual SD MPs are actually right wing in any sense but the racism? I genuinely don't know, in just working backwards from DF in Denmark, where there was clearly a very socdem faction and a more classic borgerlig faction (Messerschmidt definitely fits here). If SD has the same, and a bit less authoritarian leadership, they might do some weird chaos votes to keep everyone happy internally. Back when they entered parliment they where slightly to the right of the social democrats on economic issues, trying to portray themselves as a centre party with added racism. These days their voters, and the party with it is solidly right economically with the exeption of pensions and unemplyment benefits. Their voters like lower taxes and the party leadership, which really only care about immigration and culture war stuff will follow along.
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Nenonen posted:Like seriously, S and SD together hold over half of the seats. All the rest of the parties including V could get together around M and it would still be a minority.
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Kamrat posted:Wait... we had socialists in power?
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Nenonen posted:Like seriously, S and SD together hold over half of the seats. All the rest of the parties including V could get together around M and it would still be a minority. Add in KD they all have demokrater in their name there`s some common ground surely. Volkshem getting back to its roots!
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Nenonen posted:So when the right bloc needs literally every vote from their side to ram changes through, and it is to be expected that they don't match completely on economy or value issues, then at the hope is that the new government will spend years just trying to find compromises like the Sipilä-Soini-Stubb government in Finland did before faceplanting just before elections. they will probably be making compromises with S for most stuff and try to freeze out SD when possible. there's not that much light between modern centre-right scandipoliticians and modern centre-left scandipoliticians though yeah it's not going to be a very strong government and if S are moderately competent they should be able to crowd them out quite easily in four years
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Collateral Damage posted:No we had liberals pretending to be social democrats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy 
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Cardiac posted:loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. I don't think that you seriously believe that loving Turbo and Jimmie are going to improve the lives of anyone except corporate cronies and the upper-and-above middle classes. You know, to the cost of everyone else, including future generations. Congratulations to your victory.
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Cardiac posted:loving finally after 8 years of idiocy. 
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Neoliberalism and right wing politics hollowed out Sweden until it was an empty shell of a country filled with all kinds of problems and running on a bostadsbubbla and everyone is thinking the country has gone to poo poo despite the last 30 years being them getting their every wish come true economically. Yet everyone worries about the left and socialists despite them not being near power since ever. And just ask any random swede of enough age about the 80s they will most likely wax nostalgically and wanna go back. To that era they would now deride as communism. Swedes want to have the safe, equal working society of the 1980s, but they also want to have low taxes, private schools, high inequality (for that cheap labour) and capitalism on full steam mode. Cake and eating it situation. If you want capitalism and free markets and all this to be what runs your society, get used to the shootings, degrading school systems, slums and so on, they are linked at the hip.
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Ahem, the lepers colony might be of interest  But in a more serious (and non-gloating) manner, a brief recap on the actual election results: S: Did a very good election, usually one would expect S to lose 1% due to their voters literally dying off, but that trend have been broken. The issue for S is that their gain came from cannibalism within the red-green side M: Goes marginally back. Gained some voters from S as well as from internal cannibalism. SD: The winner of this election and gained voters from both S&M. The result of M is kinda surprising seeing the losses to SD V: Goes back, but based on this thread I would guess it is comrade 4% to keep MP in riksdagen, so no biggie. C: A bad election in many ways, both poll and influence wise. The clearest loser party in the election KD: A bad election (good historically), and it is apparent that their line in politics is not gaining voters compared to SD&M MP: A good election, since they are still in L: A very good election since they are still in and will be part of the ruling coalition in some way It is interesting to see how loyal the voters are for SD, S, M and V in terms of ratio.
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I'm thinking KD is a concept that can't really work in Sweden 2022. I guess they float because of tactical voting. Can't be conservative enough for the really crazy people while keeping any normal voters. Also probably losing a lot of votes just from being as conservative as they dare to be now. It's kinda like SD, while they might not to ban abortion they are the only way to vote if you think we should move in that direction. Kinda like SD might not (all) be literal Nazis but voting for them sure is contributing to steering us in that direction.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just as I predicted, SSD government coming up. That would be an order of magnitude faster than the last generation's government!
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Cardiac posted:Ahem, the lepers colony might be of interest M did a horrible election once you look beyond the national block vote. They lost the place as the second largest party. Their self-imagined god given right to be the leaders of the right block got a large dent. If you look at regional and kommun level, they lost power in a lot of places, with very few success stories. It's looking like they'll lose their crown jewel, Stockholm. They've lost popularity in most cities. If L, KD, M and SD together had received one percentage point fewer of the votes, it would have been described as one of the largest M failure in modern times. Looking at it, very few parties except for SD had a good election. The left grew in the cities, but lost big in the countryside, where SD grew at the expense of other right wing parties. Everyone else shrunk everywhere. L-KD-M-SD will have to deal with a very disparate policy aims. The three SD talking points I've read the most of lately are to crush public service, to not lower A-kassan, and to make dental care free. Needless to say, squaring such ideas with the other three parties will be.... interesting. Especially as 2023 might see one of the most volatile economies in Sweden in a long time. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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Aren't A-kassan and Dental public services then? Cognitive dissonance much? All in all, I am getting the impression that SD voters seem to be pro-leftish policies a lot of the time, but think of themselves as right wingers who hate all that leftism stuff. One wonders how the party squaers that with itself, let alone with the others on the bourgeoise side.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Aren't A-kassan and Dental public services then? Cognitive dissonance much? They want a system that protects them, but does not bind them, and also binds everyone they don't like, but does not protect them.
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There’s the camp that actually does dislike the economic policy of the social democrats, and also hates Muslims, and there’s the side that actually likes the welfare state, but also hates Muslims. That’s basically the SD base. It’s a kind of bizarre coalition because I don’t think they portray anything other than a front united on the platform that immigration reform is needed urgently. On just about everything else they have different stances.
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ted hitler hunter posted:Nice IK you got there D&D Look who gave the probation 
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