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Twincityhacker posted:Back to the yeshivas for a second - while I agree that the vasy majority of what is going on there is Bad, I am confused why "conducting classes in Yiddish and Hebrew" is lumped in there with "having no math classes" and "corpral punishment". Because for these communities, they children often don't speak much English (if any) in the first place. By teaching them in languages only really used within the community, and intentionally not teaching them the one used in the country at large, it's another layer of control to keep subsequent generations locked in and unable to escape into the secular world. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Twincityhacker posted:Back to the yeshivas for a second - while I agree that the vasy majority of what is going on there is Bad, I am confused why "conducting classes in Yiddish and Hebrew" is lumped in there with "having no math classes" and "corpral punishment". They're conducting classes in Yiddish and Hebrew, but not in English, in order to ensure that the kids are cut off from the surrounding communities. The ideal is for them to know just enough English to vote for whoever the Grand Rabbi tells them to vote for, and not one word more. And that's why they've been able to get away with so much to begin with: they're an ironclad political bloc who vote very reliably, and all they really want is for the secular authorities to turn a blind eye and allow them as much autonomy as they can get away with.
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thechosenone posted:I mean I wouldn't be surprised if you could put people through a boot camp to teach them how to do it well enough for a usual work day, but that would open up a whole can of worms on its own if you ever applied it more widely (like you can probably get people started in like six to twelve months in a lot of stuff and then just guide them through with a more experienced worker until they're ready to do things more independently). If you're talking about the train stuff, uhhhh, no, you definitely can't just shove people through boot camp for a "usual work day" when the consequences of loving up that work day could be catastrophic. If some dude smashes a box truck up because he forgets that braking under load takes time or that he has 15' of truck he needs to fit under stuff he maybe kills or hurts a few people, snarls up traffic for a couple hours, relatively little poo poo. loving up with a whole train full of hazmat and god knows what else is not quite the same. It's absolutely on the companies for overworking & understaffing their employees instead of hiring & training more engineers. There is no easy fix to avoid that.
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There's no easy fix and capitalism breeds managers who are fundamentally incapable of seeing anything except easy fixes.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Because for these communities, they children often didn't speak English in the first place. By teaching them in languages only really used within the community, and intentionally not teaching them the one used in the country at large, it's another layer of control to keep subsequent generations locked in and unable to escape into the secular world. Ah, okay, that makes sense. The minority language schools I am familar with, the kids that go there are already proficent English speakers.
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idiotsavant posted:If you're talking about the train stuff, uhhhh, no, you definitely can't just shove people through boot camp for a "usual work day" when the consequences of loving up that work day could be catastrophic. If some dude smashes a box truck up because he forgets that braking under load takes time or that he has 15' of truck he needs to fit under stuff he maybe kills or hurts a few people, snarls up traffic for a couple hours, relatively little poo poo. loving up with a whole train full of hazmat and god knows what else is not quite the same. It's absolutely on the companies for overworking & understaffing their employees instead of hiring & training more engineers. There is no easy fix to avoid that. there have been attempts at doing precisely this for trains in the past! they end in horrifying, and what's worse, horrifyingly expensive accidents. a car crash has a hard time breaking out of six figures of damage; it is relatively easy for a train accident to clear seven.
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There are also bilingual schools where the kids (or at least some of them) speak the minority language at home, but the school will introduce English as a medium of instruction in at least one class, which combined with actually engaging with broader America as a normal person works out pretty well for retaining both languages. Definitely not what was happening here though, those poor kids 
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idiotsavant posted:If you're talking about the train stuff, uhhhh, no, you definitely can't just shove people through boot camp for a "usual work day" when the consequences of loving up that work day could be catastrophic. If some dude smashes a box truck up because he forgets that braking under load takes time or that he has 15' of truck he needs to fit under stuff he maybe kills or hurts a few people, snarls up traffic for a couple hours, relatively little poo poo. loving up with a whole train full of hazmat and god knows what else is not quite the same. It's absolutely on the companies for overworking & understaffing their employees instead of hiring & training more engineers. There is no easy fix to avoid that. Fair enough, wasn't trying to undersell the margins needed for safety. I mainly was trying to bring up that a system for training and placing train conductors/engineers/whatever the correct term for what is being discussed could be done, but they want people to do the guessing for them so they can make someone else foot the bill and use scarcity or overabundance to their advantage. Whether it's something that can be learned in a month of immersion training or requires a decade or more of learning before they trust you with anything the point is that we can train people for this stuff, but we refuse to train them or support them when they train themselves because it would cut into immediate profit and require them to actually plan for the future. They plan not for the future and so have none.
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The grift is reaching into the stratosphere. How can you satirize something like this? https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1570157243957493760?s=20&t=U0u2_MnF80CzRErknjZigg
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There was an A/T thread from an ex-Hasid who left the community, about 10 years old now: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3391326&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Fascinating look into the community, highly recommend.
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Couldn't so much of this poo poo be solved by nationalizing the railroads and airlines (and banks and utility companies and health insurance providers and on and on)? But I guess that's socialism and god for loving bid.
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thechosenone posted:Whether it's something that can be learned in a month of immersion training or requires a decade or more of learning before they trust you with anything the point is that we can train people for this stuff, but we refuse to train them or support them when they train themselves because it would cut into immediate profit and require them to actually plan for the future. whats funny is that, specifically, is not the issue! The issue is that carriers absolutely refuse to do any hiring whatsoever and just place an increasing load on the workers they have despite the fact its already causing runaway retirements and problems on the railways. This entire problem can be trivially solved by either slowing down the schedules, hiring more workers, or both!
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BiggerBoat posted:Couldn't so much of this poo poo be solved by nationalizing the railroads and airlines (and banks and utility companies and health insurance providers and on and on)? Yep! BiggerBoat posted:But I guess that's socialism Yep. Whole lot of people would rather have their drinking water become toxic than yield one inch to the idea that the government could do anything better than private interest. Yawgmoft fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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Nationalizing an economic function doesn't prevent workers from striking. For example, teachers are usually unionized government workers and it is not uncommon for them to go on strike. Another example: police officers are government workers, their unions rank among some of the most successful labor unions, and police departments have gone on strike before.
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Yawgmoft posted:Yep. Whole lot of people would rather have their drinking water become toxic than yield one inch to the idea that the government could do anything better than private interest. On this, it's also a thing where companies like Nestle actually prefer for drinking water to be...well...undrinkable and in many countries have actually succeeded in this and managed to privatize the water supply. Bottled water is such crap. In addition to what I just wrote, there's also the element of the tons of plastic it generated because people won't use filters and water bottles. The most abundant resource on the planet and the essence of life itself must turn a profit, even if we must poison it to do it. Grinds my gears.
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silence_kit posted:Nationalizing an economic function doesn't prevent workers from striking. For example, teachers are usually unionized government workers and it is not uncommon for them to go on strike. Another example: police officers are government workers, their unions rank among some of the most successful labor unions, and police departments have gone on strike before.
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Yawgmoft posted:Yep! Except it's never their own drinking water that becomes toxic, it's always other people's.
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BiggerBoat posted:Couldn't so much of this poo poo be solved by nationalizing the railroads and airlines (and banks and utility companies and health insurance providers and on and on)? But I guess that's socialism and god for loving bid. I’m not sure “be more like the French” is the best way to avoid strikes?
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Yawgmoft posted:Yep! i check the touchscreen on my kitchen faucet to check if Nestle Municipal surge pricing has subsided enough that i can clean some dishes without breaking the bank. grey water packages are out until the weekend, so I opt in for a 10 gallon package at 5pm. i drink a confirmation dew
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silence_kit posted:Nationalizing an economic function doesn't prevent workers from striking. For example, teachers are usually unionized government workers and it is not uncommon for them to go on strike. Another example: police officers are government workers, their unions rank among some of the most successful labor unions, and police departments have gone on strike before. this problem specifically has arisen from mismanagement by private management, and it is going to paralyze the economy on friday absent government intervention. Public carriers would completely defuse this specific crisis
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I’m not sure “be more like the French” is the best way to avoid strikes? Came here to post this, it's amazing how often French transit workers go on strike. Not to say they shouldn't or anything, just pointing our "socialized transportation within capitalism" is still gonna have some worker-management issues.
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haveblue posted:Is it bad that I'm kinda hoping the rail tunnel under the Hudson River collapses and fucks all East Coast rail just to teach everyone involved a lesson and further humiliate Chris Christie only if it happens when he's inside, then the state just cask of Amontillado him and his family.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Came here to post this, it's amazing how often French transit workers go on strike. Doesn't even have to be within capitalism!
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The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department may have the worst ongoing misconduct of any department in the nation (Google LASD gangs). Democrat Alex Villanueva took over in 2018 on a pledge to reform the department's blatant corruption, abuse, and disregard of any potentially inconvenient laws. Add another log to the "how do you reform this?"/"this is already the reformed version" fire, because hoooo boy has he been a trip. You have the petty atrocities (whistleblowers allege that his former LASD-employee wife takes an active role in staff management, including insisting that a sexpest and another officer who managed to actually get a criminal investigation into their actions, a minor miracle for a cop, be promoted to captain over the objections of their boss), the unabated proliferation of deputy The glimmer of selfawareness vanished, however, when the coverup was exposed and, eventually, a grand jury convened. First came the press conference announcing a felony investigation into a political rival, the IG tasked with overseeing his department (who had previously announced he forwarded the investigation to the FBI over evidence of conspiracy and obstruction), and the reporter who wrote the story He quickly quote:"This is stolen property that was removed illegally from people who had some intent — criminal intent — and it’ll be subject to investigation,” Villanueva said. When pressed whether he was investigating the journalist specifically, the sheriff said, “All parties to the act are subjects of the investigation.” https://mobile.twitter.com/LACoSheriff/status/1519130930476060672 A creature capable of feeling shame might have felt he overreached and reevaluated the criming that brought him to this point. Sadly for all of us, Alex is a cop. Now, to today's news from the aforementioned journo: https://mobile.twitter.com/AleneTchek/status/1570052180715122689 Kuehl has been a target of the Sheriff for quite some time, for the heinous crimes of "conducting oversight" and "demanding reform and resignation" and "contempt of corrupt LEO shitheads", so this is merely another escalation of his Public Integrity Detail- an enterprise so nakedly abusive that even the LASD union, made up of literal gang members, issued guidance for deputies to steer clear. The DA felt similarly quote:“He’s only targeting political enemies,” Gascón told The Times about Villanueva. “It was obvious that was not the kind of work I wanted to engage in, so we declined.” With all of the angst about politically motivated search warrants and raids floating around right now, I expect that the right wing mediasphere will be all over this story shortly.
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A big flaming stink posted:this problem specifically has arisen from mismanagement by private management, and it is going to paralyze the economy on friday absent government intervention. Public carriers would completely defuse this specific crisis only one of the dozen unions involved has actually voted to authorize a strike (although if one strikes they all strike really) and that union's said that it won't strike prior to the 29th to give time for negotiators to reach a deal. At the moment it's just a pressure move. Very frankly I think both sides are expecting this to end up with lawmakers intervening and want that to happen because they both think they'll end up with a more favorable contract than they would via negotiation.
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A big flaming stink posted:whats funny is that, specifically, is not the issue! The issue is that carriers absolutely refuse to do any hiring whatsoever and just place an increasing load on the workers they have despite the fact its already causing runaway retirements and problems on the railways. This entire problem can be trivially solved by either slowing down the schedules, hiring more workers, or both! But of course, that would require making slightly less money, and worse, paying people, and private business cannot do that. It's not an option. They don't even know how.
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Staluigi posted:i check the touchscreen on my kitchen faucet to check if Nestle Municipal surge pricing has subsided enough that i can clean some dishes without breaking the bank. grey water packages are out until the weekend, so I opt in for a 10 gallon package at 5pm. i drink a confirmation dew aaah man I don't like this at all
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Paracaidas posted:The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department may have the worst ongoing misconduct of any department in the nation. Luckily Villanueva is up for election this year, and last I checked his opponent (Robert Luna) is favored to win. (Villanueva was in first in the primaries, largely because Republicans love him and Democrats were split amongst his opponents, but now that it's just the two of them Luna is ahead.) Now, the bad news is that Luna also has corruption scandals from his time as Long Beach Police Chief. But with luck he'll still be a significant improvement over Villanueva. And both recall campaigns against progressive DA Gascon failed, which is great.
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some plague rats posted:aaah man I don't like this at all Then don't read Neuromancer!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:But of course, that would require making slightly less money, and worse, paying people, and private business cannot do that. It's not an option. They don't even know how. The railroad labor dispute is over attendance policies, not wages. I don't think it's obvious that the policy changes the unions want would actually cost the employers money. This isn't a point in the employers' favor.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:only one of the dozen unions involved has actually voted to authorize a strike (although if one strikes they all strike really) and that union's said that it won't strike prior to the 29th to give time for negotiators to reach a deal. At the moment it's just a pressure move. Very frankly I think both sides are expecting this to end up with lawmakers intervening and want that to happen because they both think they'll end up with a more favorable contract than they would via negotiation. It needs to be made abundantly clear that until now there hasn’t actually been any negotiation because prior to the 60-day cooling off period & stuff the frieght cos refused to negotiate with the unions. Unions that have been working on expired contracts and terms that are entirely outside of previously negotiated contracts. This is not a “both sides” issue whatsoever.
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James Garfield posted:The railroad labor dispute is over attendance policies, not wages. I don't think it's obvious that the policy changes the unions want would actually cost the employers money. Likely one of the easiest ways to solve the incredibly moronic scheduling demands that are one of the primary points of contention would be railroad companies hiring more employees to ensure that they have enough staff to allow existing employees to actually have days off without the entire system grinding to a halt, which would definitely cost the employers money.
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Kanos posted:Likely one of the easiest ways to solve the incredibly moronic scheduling demands that are one of the primary points of contention would be railroad companies hiring more employees to ensure that they have enough staff to allow existing employees to actually have days off without the entire system grinding to a halt, which would definitely cost the employers money. In many cases, sick leave policies have been neutral to good for businesses because of secondary effects like improved productivity, reduced turnover, and fewer outbreaks of contagious diseases. It might not affect all industries/jobs in the same ways, but it's not just a given that because the employers don't want it, it would be bad for them - there are lots of cases of businesses making decisions that lose them money.
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Staluigi posted:i check the touchscreen on my kitchen faucet to check if Nestle Municipal surge pricing has subsided enough that i can clean some dishes without breaking the bank. grey water packages are out until the weekend, so I opt in for a 10 gallon package at 5pm. i drink a confirmation dew Does the dew taste like freedom
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James Garfield posted:In many cases, sick leave policies have been neutral to good for businesses because of secondary effects like improved productivity, reduced turnover, and fewer outbreaks of contagious diseases. It might not affect all industries/jobs in the same ways, but it's not just a given that because the employers don't want it, it would be bad for them - there are lots of cases of businesses making decisions that lose them money. Half the reason workplace regulations exist is because business owners will actively refuse to implement basic common sense procedures for long term success unless literally forced to. They want all the money now and don't care if it'll cost them ten times as much in the future.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:Then don't read Neuromancer! I finally read neuromancer like two years ago and a lot of references suddenly made sense, which I know is embarrassing to admit
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VikingofRock posted:Luckily Villanueva is up for election this year, and last I checked his opponent (Robert Luna) is favored to win. (Villanueva was in first in the primaries, largely because Republicans love him and Democrats were split amongst his opponents, but now that it's just the two of them Luna is ahead.) so you're saying it can't be reformed
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Cranappleberry posted:so you're saying it can't be reformed It's definitely not going to be significantly reformed via this election, but maybe it can at least be (somewhat) improved. There were better candidates in the primary; I voted for Eric Strong, who came in 3rd (and so missed the top-two fall run-off). If Strong had been 2nd instead of Luna, we probably could have had a real chance at reform in this election, since LA has shown that it is willing to vote in and keep reformers like Gascón. That all said, I'm personally all for fully disbanding the sheriff's department, and re-allocating its funding to social services, along with the majority of the funding for the various city police forces in LA County. We'd all be much better served by that than by more armed, racist cops.
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silence_kit posted:Nationalizing an economic function doesn't prevent workers from striking. For example, teachers are usually unionized government workers and it is not uncommon for them to go on strike. You're aware that there are a number of states that have passed laws against job action and/or unionization by public employees, right?
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James Garfield posted:In many cases, sick leave policies have been neutral to good for businesses because of secondary effects like improved productivity, reduced turnover, and fewer outbreaks of contagious diseases. It might not affect all industries/jobs in the same ways, but it's not just a given that because the employers don't want it, it would be bad for them - there are lots of cases of businesses making decisions that lose them money. Typically companies are primarily interested in the short term economic outlook rather than the long term. "We have to add 25 to 30% more staff to cover for our employees now having access to extravagant luxuries like weekends and sick days" is a huge short-term expense; while it will almost assuredly pay enormous dividends in the long run, they don't want to spend the money now because it will make the short term number go down a lot.
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