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HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Devor posted:

You could stifle the second trigger if you were an opponent of Dark Depths, right?

Edit: Signs point to no from my googles

You can. But it will just trigger again.
If Depths is in play, with no counters, it will just keep triggering. Over and over until someone removes it from play or adds a counter.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:25

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 21:15

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Devor posted:

Sorry, my conception was that the intervening if would create a second trigger that actually creates the token.

I think your right. There are two triggers here. Trophy can only interact with the first one.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:26

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Devor posted:

Sorry, my conception was that the intervening if would create a second trigger that actually creates the token.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but that's what happens?
Except second also includes "third", "fourth", "fifth" and so on.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:26

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

My conception, which I think does not follow from the rules:

quote:

(A) When Dark Depths has no ice counters on it, sacrifice it.

(B) If you do, create Marit Lage, a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and indestructible.

(A) goes on stack. Destroying land breaks up the combo, because (B) never happens.

(A) goes on stack. Resolves. (B) sees land sacrificed, puts a new trigger on stack.

But this doesn't work because the Intervening If is not a separate trigger, it's all just part of the first trigger.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:30

Chakan: Mar 30, 2011

Devor posted:

My conception, which I think does not follow from the rules:

But this doesn't work because the Intervening If is not a separate trigger, it's all just part of the first trigger.

Right, it's not (A) going on the stack, it's (A)(B) going on the stack. Really, you get a trigger on the stack that reads "sacrifice Dark Depths. If you do, create ML etc etc" this is to ensure that when the trigger resolves you have to sacrifice DD in order to get the effect.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:34

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Devor posted:

My conception, which I think does not follow from the rules:

But this doesn't work because the Intervening If is not a separate trigger, it's all just part of the first trigger.

So an "intervening if" has a specific meaning in magic: and you can tell intervening ifs because they're written as "Whenever [thing happens] if ..."
Dark depths doesn't have an intervening if trigger. It just has a trigger.

But you got there in the end: Sacrificing Depths nd making the token is all a singular triggered ability.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:34

Tom Clancy is Dead: Jul 13, 2011

"If you do" is a conditional not a trigger, it all resolves at once off the original trigger.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:40

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Neat!

code:

Psychomancer
1B
Artifact Creature - Necron Wizard
Flying

Whenever Psychomancer or another nontoken artifact you control is put into a graveyard or exiled from the battlefield, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.

Non token looks like it was added just to make it less Legacy playable but IDK, Artifact Blood Artist might still be!

# ? Sep 15, 2022 17:48

Bugsy: Jul 15, 2004; I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.; Slippery Tilde

That goober pinging on treasures would probably be too much.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:04

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Bugsy posted:

That goober pinging on treasures would probably be too much.

Plus there's this in that deck.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:15

Archenteron: Nov 3, 2006

Ah yes, Trazyn the Goes Infinite

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:19

fatherboxx: Mar 25, 2013

Finally, a use for that foil Pili-Pala, Trazyn rules

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:27

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

fatherboxx posted:

Finally, a use for that foil Pili-Pala, Trazyn rules

Buried Alive can throw Palladium Myr and Pili-Pala into the yard, then you can go infinite with Trazyn lol

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:39

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

mcmagic posted:

Sheoldred is not only a loving stupid card that is poorly deigned and boring, it's also loving VERY annoying to play against on Arena because if you're tapped out and they play it, it will feed you right into your draw step on your turn even if you have a instant speed kill spell for it that you could cast on your upkeep even if that just makes you die. This happens no matter how fast you click on the stop too.

This just happened to me after reading this, thanks for passing along the curse

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:40

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Archenteron posted:

Ah yes, Trazyn the Goes Infinite

I know its expensive and all but this is a stupid loving card and i love it

# ? Sep 15, 2022 18:44

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

I think they added a special pause pre-combat for stuff like Legion Warboss. Maybe they'll do one now in upkeep for stuff like Sheoldred.

edit: Felt like a genius adding a stop when Warboss was on the stack so I could avoid having a token be created, but it was annoying that that was necessary.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:01

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

mandatory lesbian posted:

I know its expensive and all but this is a stupid loving card and i love it

That's fine. Just play him with Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:08

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

https://twitter.com/ghostmoding/status/1570430950953156609?s=20&t=ikKhxt5u5OJ1Rz8iQe8lZg

Its time for the bad combooooos

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:16

Johnny Truant: Jul 22, 2008

Wait I thought you couldn't respond to things in your untap/upkeep/draw phases?

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:29

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

Johnny Truant posted:

Wait I thought you couldn't respond to things in your untap/upkeep/draw phases?

You can't do stuff during Untap unless an ability was triggered by something untapping, but Upkeep and Draw phases are valid times to do things in Magic.

E.g. in your draw step (after you've drawn), I cast Vendilion Clique

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:32

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Johnny Truant posted:

Wait I thought you couldn't respond to things in your untap/upkeep/draw phases?

You can?
Not untap, but the other two yes players receive priority.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:32

Johnny Truant: Jul 22, 2008

Well dang, you learn something new (and very important...) every day!

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:41

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

Devor posted:

You can't do stuff during Untap unless an ability was triggered by something untapping,

Even still, the trigger happens in the upkeep I think

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:42

scytale: Dec 10, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

I�ll never forget there�s room in between untapping and drawing after a game I thought I had won versus a cycling deck I had milled to 0 that flared me before he lost. I go through the same thing of never being quick enough to turn on full control for sheoldred when I could kill her.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:46

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

Framboise posted:

Buried Alive can throw Palladium Myr and Pili-Pala into the yard, then you can go infinite with Trazyn lol

Oh yeah, forgot the payoff card, Walking Ballista.

A wincon in one card!

# ? Sep 15, 2022 19:48

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

Lone Goat posted:

Even still, the trigger happens in the upkeep I think

Correct, it waits till upkeep to go onto the stack.

scytale posted:

I�ll never forget there�s room in between untapping and drawing after a game I thought I had won versus a cycling deck I had milled to 0 that flared me before he lost. I go through the same thing of never being quick enough to turn on full control for sheoldred when I could kill her.

My best limited moment ever was winning with my final card in hand, an instant x damage spell, tapping every permanent I controlled, for exactsies, on my upkeep, with an empty library.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 20:19

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

Archenteron posted:

Ah yes, Trazyn the Goes Infinite

This guy owns. He's expensive but very powerful.

I like this deck a lot more than the other ones so far, with these previews.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 20:49

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

Have entire decklists come out yet, or just the new cards?

# ? Sep 15, 2022 20:55

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

Framboise posted:

Have entire decklists come out yet, or just the new cards?

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/warhammer-40000-commander-decklists

# ? Sep 15, 2022 20:59

Toph Bei Fong: Feb 29, 2008

Archenteron posted:

Ah yes, Trazyn the Goes Infinite

It's interesting how much better the commanders in the deck are than the face commanders

I mean, we still haven't seen an Urza or a Winota level commander yet, but...

# ? Sep 15, 2022 21:02

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Framboise posted:

Have entire decklists come out yet, or just the new cards?

one a day at 2pst
but theyre always late

# ? Sep 15, 2022 21:50

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

Archenteron posted:

Ah yes, Trazyn the Goes Infinite

I loving love this guy, I loved Necrotic Ooze back in the day and now I get it as a commander, except it can also do Staff of Domination lines.

# ? Sep 15, 2022 22:57

Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Necron deck has some solid reprints;

Mystic Forge
Caged Sun
Living Death
Darkness
Endless Atlas
Gilded lotus

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:07

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Darkness means you won't have to use the art made by a Nazi.
But you will have to use the art depicting space-nazis.

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:12

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

The Necrons aren't nazis afaik, just soulless automatons hellbent on destroying all organic life. Which is probably less bad.

Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Sep 16, 2022

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:24

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

The Shortest Path posted:

The Necrons aren't nazis afaik, just soulless automatons hellbent on destroying all organic life. Which is probably less bad.

It's 40k. They're all Nazis to see extent

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:29

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

The necrons are Space Pharoahs!!

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:33

Lord_Magmar: Feb 24, 2015; "Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"

HootTheOwl posted:

It's 40k. They're all Nazis to see extent

They're really not, the Imperium kinda are. But the Orks aren't, the Necrons aren't, the Tau aren't (they're communists instead), the Tyranids are just hungry.

The Shortest Path posted:

The Necrons aren't nazis afaik, just soulless automatons hellbent on destroying all organic life. Which is probably less bad.

New lore is that they're not this, they're space Tomb Kings. More seriously, Szarekh the Silent King, their overall leader, wants to return them to their flesh and blood bodies which requires organic life to exist. He returned to the galaxy to stop the Tyranids from consuming all organic life.

# ? Sep 16, 2022 00:36

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Eej posted:

The necrons are Space Pharoahs!!

Pharaohs are just ye-olde Egyptian Nazis.

The Tau are commie-Nazis.

The orks are hunter gatherers who also are ethno Nazis

I don't know what the gently caress the eldar are but I'm pretty sure they're sex Nazis after they made a sex demon.

Tyranids are a metaphor for imperialism. And Nazis.

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Necron deck has some solid reprints;

Mystic Forge
Caged Sun
Living Death
Darkness
Endless Atlas
Gilded lotus

Darkness getting a new print is good stuff

# ? Sep 16, 2022 02:42

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