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Distinguished Competition is what I'll always think of DC as
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Azubah posted:I think the batman flashpoint was supposed to come out after dark crisis. DC has apparently been releasing titles set all around Dark Crisis’s continuity and its been confusing
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Sep 8, 2022 07:58
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Zdarsky threading together Tower of Babel with the Batman of Zur En Arrh kind of rules.
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Sep 8, 2022 08:38
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Open Marriage Night posted:Zdarsky threading together Tower of Babel with the Batman of Zur En Arrh kind of rules. Wait, what? Leave it it to Zdarsky to out Morrisson Morrisson
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Sep 8, 2022 09:34
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Skwirl posted:Wait, what? Leave it it to Zdarsky to out Morrisson Morrisson Yeah, in a almost meme-esque example of "Batman plans for everything" taken too far, it's revealed that the crazy invincible robot that's been chasing down Batman for this arc was built by... the Batman of Zur-en-Arhh. He built it as a safeguard for if Batman ever starts killing. And then made himself forget the shutdown codes so the robot wouldn't be stopped if he were compromised. It's honestly kinda hilarious. 
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Sep 8, 2022 11:58
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TwoPair posted:Yeah, in a almost meme-esque example of "Batman plans for everything" taken too far, it's revealed that the crazy invincible robot that's been chasing down Batman for this arc was built by... the Batman of Zur-en-Arhh. He built it as a safeguard for if Batman ever starts killing. And then made himself forget the shutdown codes so the robot wouldn't be stopped if he were compromised. It's honestly kinda hilarious. This is just the episode of Rick and Morty where Rick created duplicates of the family to act as decoys if enemies showed up. And it later went down a spiral of duplicates created by the duplicates killing each other. Where is the Batman carved out of wood?
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Sep 8, 2022 12:16
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The Question IRL posted:Where is the Batman carved out of wood? Still catching up to Flash: 
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Sep 8, 2022 12:58
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The issue starts with Superman after the end of Tower of Babel, and he’s like “What’s the plan if you become a threat?” Batman replies “You, the Justice League.” “But you have contingencies to stop all of us.” Can the Batman create a contingency so perfect even he doesn’t have a contingency for it? Zdarsky is pretty much making the prep time Batgod eat himself. It would almost seem edgy, if you couldn’t tell Chip knows how absurd that aspect of Batman is, and that his family is what’s important. Bruce is able to snap himself out of the Zur En Arrh state because Tim was in danger. Loudly denouncing Batman treating the Robin’s as soldiers. They’re his sons.
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Sep 8, 2022 15:08
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It has been 35 years, but someone finally gets batman again. God bless chip
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Sep 8, 2022 15:15
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Open Marriage Night posted:It would almost seem edgy, if you couldn’t tell Chip knows how absurd that aspect of Batman is, and that his family is what’s important. Bruce is able to snap himself out of the Zur En Arrh state because Tim was in danger. Loudly denouncing Batman treating the Robin’s as soldiers. They’re his sons. Do they mention the Batgirls? He's got daughters, too.
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Sep 8, 2022 20:47
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Mr Hootington posted:It has been 35 years, but someone finally gets batman again. God bless chip So you are saying no one got Batman post crisis?
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Sep 8, 2022 21:40
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Yes
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Sep 9, 2022 01:50
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Dawgstar posted:Do they mention the Batgirls? He's got daughters, too. They were in the last issue where he talks more broadly about the Batfamily. The current issue is just the Batman of Zur En Arrh and Tim Drake fighting Failsafe in the manor.
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Sep 9, 2022 05:41
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https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1568249785723006977 NGL, this looks sick. Even if the writing is sometimes the quality of sick
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Sep 9, 2022 21:51
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TwoPair posted:Yeah, in a almost meme-esque example of "Batman plans for everything" taken too far, it's revealed that the crazy invincible robot that's been chasing down Batman for this arc was built by... the Batman of Zur-en-Arhh. He built it as a safeguard for if Batman ever starts killing. And then made himself forget the shutdown codes so the robot wouldn't be stopped if he were compromised. It's honestly kinda hilarious. You know, I'm sorry, I didn't care for it. My read of RIP has always been that Zur-en-Arrh was kind of a fugue state, rather than an alternate identity that he could assume at will... certainly not a state of consciousness that could design and implement a superpowered murder-robot like this. Here, it feels like one of those things that makes for a cool reference, but also obscures why the original thing was cool in the first place. There's a heightened sense of mystery the whole time Bruce is running around as Zur-en-Arrh in RIP. Is Bat-Mite real? Was Tlano, the original Batman of ZEA real? Does it matter? Asking myself these questions as I read is what's a big part of what's made that storyline hold up so well over the years. (Has it really been almost 15 years?!?!?!) I will say that Zdarksy does manage to capture some of the best of Morrison's over-the-top style with the dialogue here ("Don't HESITATE, boy! EVERYTHING is on the line!"). Overall, especially with Superman showing up at the end, it feels like he is trying to speedrun Infinite Crisis/OMAC toxic loner Batman through Return of Bruce Wayne actually-has-friends Batman. It's not enough to make me drop it (unlike, a-hem, the aforementioned Tom King and whatever the hell he was doing with his Batman/Catwoman thing), and I'm always on board for Batman friendship stuff. It could still become a cool run that ends up standing on its own.
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Sep 10, 2022 02:39
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It doesn't appeal to me either, feels like a waste of time, and just some kind of flight of fancy on the author's part. In general when a hot recent writer gets the keys to Batman, they too often have some insane gimmicky thing right off the bat. Let me believe this is a continuing life story of Batman, and not some fourth wall addressing headline bating bit of nuttiness. But in general with Batman, there are so many tones and flavors, nobody will agree on the way to go. So just hopefully a run will be up your alley sometime etc. Not to say I'm writing this run off entirely. I've heard Chip on a couple podcasts, and he seems fun, but I just get this vibe of playing with toys or something with this Batman stuff. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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Sep 10, 2022 04:22
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I don't mind the direction (it's actually quite fun) but I would love some street level Batman fun too and the fact that Chip requires you to know Tower of Babel and Morrison's stuff just comes across as continuity porn.
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Sep 10, 2022 04:42
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The back up story of the next issue is called Zur En Arrh: Year One.
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Sep 10, 2022 06:11
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I can't believe Chip is referencing such little known stories by some obscure writer named Grant Morrison. What, does he expect Batman fans to have read those books? What a hack.
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Sep 10, 2022 06:22
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Codependent Poster posted:I can't believe Chip is referencing such little known stories by some obscure writer named Grant Morrison. What, does he expect Batman fans to have read those books? What a hack. It was two reboots ago.
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Sep 10, 2022 06:34
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So like, about half a year? 
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Sep 10, 2022 08:16
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DC is constantly doing callbacks to comics much older than Tower of Babel (2000) and Batman RIP (2008). Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Flashpoint Beyond both hinge in no small part to big comics from the 1980s, Human Target relies heavily on a 1980s team book's roster/nostalgia for same, and the number of Killing Joke/Dark Knight Returns/Year One/Judas Contract/Doomsday/Knightfall callbacks and sequels in the past decade are countless and endless. If anything it's jarring for writers to start doing callbacks to things less than thirty years old, like when people started referencing post-Claremont X-Men instead of just Claremont X-Men in the early 2000s. I will also be completely honest and admit that I don't think I've ever read Tower of Babel, but I know the basic gist is "Batman has plans to take down the Justice League, and they fall into the wrong hands." Which is what was conveyed in a two page flashback in Batman, so everyone is pretty much caught up.
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Sep 11, 2022 04:18
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I knew Batman vs Robin was going to deal with that devil from Worlds Finest, but the whole book is about magic. Robin attacks Batman in the batcave with Tim Hunter and Jakeem Thunder. Zatanna makes a slightly disturbing appearance, and you also see just about every magical artifact that Waid can remember. The robot t-rex in the batcave gets turned into a real one. Waid likes using that thing (it attacks Green Lantern and Batman in his Brave and the Bold series with George Perez).
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Sep 15, 2022 06:26
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Open Marriage Night posted:I knew Batman vs Robin was going to deal with that devil from Worlds Finest, but the whole book is about magic. Robin attacks Batman in the batcave with Tim Hunter and Jakeem Thunder. Zatanna makes a slightly disturbing appearance, and you also see just about every magical artifact that Waid can remember. It's Chekov's Robot T-Rex.
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Sep 15, 2022 07:39
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the cave has been destroyed so many times that batman has definitely had to get a replacement robot t-rex before. the penny is probably more durable. it only gets weird when you figure in the costume cases of dead robins, none of whom are currently dead. but he still replaces the display each time.
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Sep 15, 2022 20:36
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Batman even gets attacked by the costumes in Batman vs Robin. I also saw a video about the Sword of Superman that gets referenced in the issue. It’s from the 1984 Superman annual, and was supposedly created at the dawn of the universe, and had the Superman S on the pommel. It was destined for Superman, and when he finally wields it, the sword tries to make him into a god, but he casts it back into space instead. Then the first Crisis happened, and it was never mentioned again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NFWo1m8DRU
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Sep 15, 2022 23:12
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Open Marriage Night posted:Batman even gets attacked by the costumes in Batman vs Robin. And the super deed that earned him the Sword of Superman was him beating up a ghost so well that he only hurt the ghost and not the person he was possessing.
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Sep 15, 2022 23:40
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The best part of Batman vs Robin: How does Alfred come back? He simply walks in the front door. If they take that back, I'm going to be rather pissed.
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Sep 16, 2022 02:51
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i was expecting some outsider nonsense, tbh
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Sep 16, 2022 06:15
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i was expecting some outsider nonsense, tbh Three Alfreds ultimate crossover event, coming soon!
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Sep 17, 2022 03:47
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King/Evely Supergirl was wonderful, is it time to look forward to a Tom King project in Danger Street?
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Sep 17, 2022 05:18
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Space Fish posted:King/Evely Supergirl was wonderful, is it time to look forward to a Tom King project in Danger Street? As with most modern Tom King projects, flip a coin to predict it.
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Sep 17, 2022 18:46
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Space Fish posted:King/Evely Supergirl was wonderful, is it time to look forward to a Tom King project in Danger Street? Yeah, True Grit kicked rear end. I really am looking forward to danger street way more that I expected as well.
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Sep 17, 2022 20:51
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https://twitter.com/captmarvelology/status/1571559826676928513?s=46&t=GHOPTFGGib2xgj_OgTzBgg How many of these are relaunches and how many of these are just events
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Sep 18, 2022 23:50
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They were all events/stories that REDEFINED CONTINUITY AS YOU KNOW IT New 52 was basically a hard reboot of just about everything, except for the books that they decided still happened. Rebirth revealed that the New 52 was still the original universe, but everything had been altered by Dr. Manhattan. New Justice is arguable but it was the relaunch after Metal where they'd revealed how there was actually an entire extra set of Dark Multiverses and more than 52 'regular' multiverses and also the super secret history of the Over Monitors and the World Forger and Perpetua and the Source Wall being destroyed that either rewrote history or restored the super secret thing that not even Dr. Manhattan knew he was erasing. Infinite Frontier comes after Death Metal, which involved all of the 52 known universes getting destroyed and recreated by Golden God Wonder Woman, and in the aftermath there is an All New Prime Earth and also an infinite number of Earths in Multiverse-1 and also an infinite number of Multiverses in the Omniverse. Dawn of the DC comes after Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, which involves Pariah using the Great Darkness to take the newly formed multiverse and blow it up in order to create even more multiverses inspired to heroism by the tragic death of the most recent multiverse. In many of these cases, popular characters/concepts just sort of continue along without major continuity changes (which in itself has turned into a dumb meta-narrative through these events) but all five of them have in-story events that essentially create new realities/continuities for the books that come after them. This is also ignoring Doomsday Clock and Flashpoint Beyond, two mini-series that serve in some part for Geoff Johns to go "nuh uh" and provide his own explanations for reality being repeatedly re-shaped.
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Sep 19, 2022 00:44
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I feel like ultimately all Rebirth did was explain anyway any continuity problems with Superman after the N52 one died and bring back Wally West. Unless I'm forgetting anything And Infinite Frontier brought back the Justice Society. I can't really remember any other long-term consequences any of those other rebrands brought about besides maybe a good or bad mini here and there TwoPair fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Sep 19, 2022 |
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Sep 19, 2022 00:49
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TwoPair posted:I feel like ultimately all Rebirth did was explain anyway any continuity problems with Superman after the N52 one died and bring back Wally West. Unless I'm forgetting anything They didn't even sort out the Superman poo poo until like a year after Rebirth. I think in the long run all it did was bring Wally back and drag Watchmen into the clutches of Geoff Johns.
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Sep 19, 2022 00:51
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It's as with the Legion; having rebooted it once they can't think of anything else to do.
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Sep 19, 2022 01:10
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Dawn of the DC? Really? They're doing another one now? Infinite Frontier was fine.
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X-O posted:Dawn of the DC? Really? They're doing another one now? Infinite Frontier was fine. Well how else will you know when the event ends and there's a bold new status quo, huh? A status quo like... uhhhh... young heroes taking the place of the old ones... wait that's not right the old ones are coming back... um, let me think here....
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