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The X-man cometh posted:Aren't they also trying to hide the dead Russian soldiers body Honestly I’d be shocked if they cared that much. Also Denys is a cool dude and I like his daily updates, but I haven’t watched it yet, so I don’t know about (what I assume is ) ATACMs yet being confirmed or the source. https://youtu.be/WcaiQzWvUq0 Edit: 11:22 in
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The X-man cometh posted:Aren't they also trying to hide the dead Russian soldiers body Reminder that that showed off mobile cremators for getting rid of those guys. Doubt they ever got to use them since Russian logistics. But no, these are more likely casualties and people they've purposefully tortured and murdered. They've been very clear about their intentions to do so.
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Also there's the 3.7 million or so Ukrainians who have been deported out of Ukraine. I'm pretty sure their survival rate is less than 100%.
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I was going to post a can't believe nato made Russia kill all those people post but I don't have the heart for it anymore. Those poor people.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I was going to post a can't believe nato made Russia kill all those people post but I don't have the heart for it anymore. Those poor people. I know…I love comedy as a method to handle tragedy, but I just want vengeance now. And may it come on swift wings. https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1570550526894546945?s=46&t=wemTHJRtVqEOnmc1Pgq66w
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I think the thing that makes me most annoyed is all the morons blaming anything but Russia for any of this. I said at the start it felt like the equivalent of blaming a battered housewife but it's worse than that. Don’t blame you one bit. Also vengeance has started. https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1570549845798096897?s=46&t=wemTHJRtVqEOnmc1Pgq66w
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Honestly I’d be shocked if they cared that much. 13SEP posted:Q: The Lithuanian Foreign Minister tweeted some harsh critics to -- toward the U.S. recently. He said that Ukraine could have thrown Russia out months ago if they had been provided the right equipment right away. And he said that now, U.S. and the West in general should send them, as fast as possible, all their -- their stockpiles of ATACMS and fighter jets. Do you agree with that assessment? The only other news is that Mitch McConnell publicly advocated providing ATACMS to Ukraine.
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mlmp08 posted:The only other news is that Mitch McConnell publicly advocated providing ATACMS to Ukraine. Yeah, I’m confused where he got that from, but nature of war or perhaps a mistranslation or overly broad read. Still good dude overall. That said Mitch and I are having a real broken clock moment right now. I’m not enjoying the vibe, even if I’m agreeing with the message. I think the war crimes and Infrastructure targeting and the usual Russian war crimes may tip the balance in favor. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I think the thing that makes me most annoyed is all the morons blaming anything but Russia for any of this. I said at the start it felt like the equivalent of blaming a battered housewife but it's worse than that. There are two groups who will defend Russia no matter what - "ride and die" tankies and people who fetishize the ability to beat the gently caress out of societal "Others" and how that's more or less legal there, or at least the police/authorities won't do anything other than maybe join in. EDIT: And of course "fellow travelers" who are getting paid through back-channels or those who have Kompromat on them. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There are two groups who will defend Russia no matter what - tankies and people who fetishize the ability to beat the gently caress out of societal "Others" and how that's more or less legal there, or at least the police/authorities won't do anything other than maybe join in. Basically the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact for the 21st century.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:blow up a russian colonel drinking game Even a Russian would die
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mlmp08 posted:The only other news is that Mitch McConnell publicly advocated providing ATACMS to Ukraine. Imo those retrospective comments are less 'we should've done xyz 6 months ago' and are intended more as a rhetorical tool intended to encourage future action. Particularly because I don't see much from really any side suggesting that the post 2/24 assistance was anything other than about the maximum that was politically (or probably even logistically, for that matter) feasible at the time. McConnell weighing in publicly is interesting, though I'll be surprised if Ukraine doesn't end up with ATACMs sooner than later. Or something else comparable. Or (more of?) the longer range GMLRS variants Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
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Murgos posted:While I’m sure Ukraine could find a use for them I don’t think they need 300 mi range precision rockets. Not quite, they have targets they can’t reach like Kerch and others like the Black Sea Fleet on current Ukrainian areas of control. Blasting the Black Sea Fleet means no more Russian naval blockading of Ukraine in the Azov Sea and remove any lingering threat to Odessa and also less cruise missile launchers.
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McConnell weighing in is 100% a "Biden should have done it!" talking point. If the course of events was proceeding differently over there, it would've been "Biden shouldn't have given away escalatory weapons!" with equal fervor.
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Madurai posted:McConnell weighing in is 100% a "Biden should have done it!" talking point. If the course of events was proceeding differently over there, it would've been "Biden shouldn't have given away escalatory weapons!" with equal fervor. That’s a hundred percent true, but it’s still the concept that bugs me. Still if it helps I’m okay with it.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:They found another mass grave in Izuim around 440 graves in one mass area. Russia was famously more than happy to rape and murder their way across eastern Europe in WWII as well. But that time they did it as an Ally so it didn't get much press. Then the Concentration camps also stole the thunder from all the Polish and Germans civilians who were brutalized by the red army.
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Murgos posted:While I’m sure Ukraine could find a use for them I don’t think they need 300 mi range precision rockets. How long is Crimea?
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The idea behind ATACMS is not only ”Oh we can strike targets exactly 299km behind enemy likes” - it is ALSO ”Oh lookie we can take out priority target X even though it has counterbattery radars and Russian counterbattery fires ready to go around it - Because we can just fire a ATACMS from 175 km behind our own lines and still whack it” which gives a ”safe” way to remove the Things That Really Need To Go without sacrificing your own assets. And ofc Sevastopol just happens to be Almost within 300km from current front lines too, which is a nice bonus.
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What's Russia going to do, attack the US and NATO with its backup Army? The counties that stand to lose the most - the Baltic states - are already spoiling for a fight.
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psydude posted:What's Russia going to do, attack the US and NATO with its backup Army? The counties that stand to lose the most - the Baltic states - are already spoiling for a fight. Poland, most of all. And god help the Russians if the Poles get pulled into this.
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Murgos posted:While I’m sure Ukraine could find a use for them I don’t think they need 300 mi range precision rockets. ATACMS rockets in Ukrainian hands pretty much forces Russia to move their ammo dumps back into Russian territory at a minimum (or at least hide them better), and if Ukraine is given permission to blow poo poo up within Russia then the ammo would need to be moved at least 300km from the front lines. It would probably spell the end of any bridges along major supply routes and put a stop to rail transport into occupied parts of Ukraine by Russia. There's a reason why Russia considers it a Big loving Deal if Ukraine is given those things. Herstory Begins Now posted:Imo those retrospective comments are less 'we should've done xyz 6 months ago' and are intended more as a rhetorical tool intended to encourage future action. Particularly because I don't see much from really any side suggesting that the post 2/24 assistance was anything other than about the maximum that was politically (or probably even logistically, for that matter) feasible at the time. Uncovering fresh evidence of warcrimes/genocide would probably be as good a excuse as any to start handing them over to Ukraine.
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Kesper North posted:I have heard that Pole arms are quite lethal Just wait until you see their dancers
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Remember the 3rd Army Corps that Russia was putting together? The one filled with old men, criminals, and drunks. And that was receiving about a week of training before being sent into Ukraine. You know, the one that western analysts said would fold like a wet napkin. Guess who made up the bulk of the Russian forces in Kharkiv. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...3f8941a12a2f55b
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Is there a way to get another print run of the GIP dick art book going with a new intro centered on Zelensky playing the piano with his dick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Is there a way to get another print run of the GIP dick art book going with a new intro centered on Zelensky playing the piano with his dick? note he did this skit at a campaign event
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Murgos posted:While I’m sure Ukraine could find a use for them I don’t think they need 300 mi range precision rockets. In a war, you always need the longest-ranged weapons possible.
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gay picnic defence posted:ATACMS rockets in Ukrainian hands pretty much forces Russia to move their ammo dumps back into Russian territory at a minimum (or at least hide them better), and if Ukraine is given permission to blow poo poo up within Russia then the ammo would need to be moved at least 300km from the front lines. It would probably spell the end of any bridges along major supply routes and put a stop to rail transport into occupied parts of Ukraine by Russia. There's a reason why Russia considers it a Big loving Deal if Ukraine is given those things. One way or another Ukraine is getting long range missile capability beyond what they currently have. For a bunch of reasons US supplied seems to be the significant preference, but there are other ways to get missiles and other countries that have an interest in Ukraine being able to strike deeper targets. I actually get the reticence around providing them insofar as Ukraine doing something stupid (or acting on bad intel) and blowing up some target full of civilians or something in Russia proper would be unbelievably counterproductive. Also that would be a political shitshow for whoever provided them. I generally think that they should be given what their situation needs, but it's worth recognizing that there's significant potential there for blowback. That said, Ukrainian target selection and their overall use of himars has been a big mark in their favor. I'd be surprised if the aftermath of russian occupation doesn't grease the wheels once it starts getting more publicized. I still suspect that the Crimea air base strike likely was non-American provided weapons. Or potentially even American weapons, albeit ones not provided by the US psydude posted:Remember the 3rd Army Corps that Russia was putting together? The one filled with old men, criminals, and drunks. And that was receiving about a week of training before being sent into Ukraine. You know, the one that western analysts said would fold like a wet napkin. I am skeptical of the reporting about that because outside of a few pictures of just a handful of vehicles (and a couple photos of abandoned vehicles), there's basically zero evidence that they were actually there in any number or doing anything. They were supposedly moved in as reinforcements but other than a single series of pictures (and also faked footage from state TV of them deploying by helicopter in the kharkiv region as a reserve force), I've seen no evidence that there was anything that couldn't be explained by 20 fsb guys in a few armored vehicles with some spraypaint. If any at all significant amount of the 3rd corps was there, I'd expect there to be far more signs of them. I could certainly be wrong, but all the evidence of them so far that I've seen is just the same few pictures, which just does not add up. also the video linked in there was released at the absolute height of russian panic and collapse and it came out in a series of russian releases intended to show that they did in fact have reserves to deploy in kharkiv region. I also never saw anyone credible confirm where or when that footage was actually from Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/15/7367584/quote:If Washington decides to supply Kyiv with missiles of a larger range, it will cross the red line and will become a party to the conflict.
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Was there ever anything definitive about how they pulled off that Crimean airbase attack? I don’t remember seeing anything, but might’ve just missed it (my job went crazy for a while  )
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Icon Of Sin posted:Was there ever anything definitive about how they pulled off that Crimean airbase attack? I don’t remember seeing anything, but might’ve just missed it (my job went crazy for a while Long range tactical babushkas
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/15/7367584/ They've already crossed multiple 'red lines' before this, I think as long as they only cross one at a time it doesn't seem to matter. I'm also not entirely sure what Russia has to threaten the US with besides ICBMs which strikes me as overkill. Herstory Begins Now posted:I still suspect that the Crimea air base strike likely was non-American provided weapons. Or potentially even American weapons, albeit ones not provided by the US I'm not so sure, there's usually been no shortage of photos of bits of missile in the aftermath of strikes like that. I guess being an airbase it limits opportunities for passers by to get photos, but they've been pretty undisciplined with this stuff in the past. Or maybe it was a missile and Russia is keeping quiet about it because they don't want it known that another of their red lines has been crossed and they're too weak to do anything about it.
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