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karmicknight posted:That's just George W Bush. glad someone else said it, lol, was having an "am I crazy, or...?" moment
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karmicknight posted:That's just George W Bush. OH MY GOD IT IS CrypticTriptych posted:This system seems like a pretty good stab at "what makes sense" and honestly even if the flotilla:Interest concept is kind of blundered it's almost certainly trivial to mod, since it's being provided by your nation's rank and also as A Thing A Building Makes. I'm sure you can make it so nations get extra interests for inventing the telegraph, lose them for having isolationist policies, or are capped at 2 unless you own the Vatican. Maybe instead of being so intimately tied to flotillas, it should be a matter of flotillas and nearest neighbors? So the Sikh Empire can have interests in Afghanistan, Persia, India, etc.
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They did say you can always have an interest in a country that borders you
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VostokProgram posted:They did say you can always have an interest in a country that borders you Ah, I missed that.
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I also recall them saying something in this week’s stream about isolationism limiting their interests.
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Horsebanger posted:big "I tied a damsel to the railroad tracks" energy karmicknight posted:That's just George W Bush.
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karmicknight posted:That's just George W Bush. The W is his mustache.
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DrSunshine posted:*Britain declares an interest in Bhutan* When he declares war, his mustache flips up to become a pair of angry eyebrows > : )
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karmicknight posted:That's just George W Bush. He's undercover 
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AnoHito posted:He's undercover karl, groucho, & george w. marx
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Naval influence is good because it was a very real thing in the time covered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Expedition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet
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AnoHito posted:He's undercover this unholy combination of jeremy corbyn and W. will haunt my dreams.
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The Paradox game thing where you don't want to play the game because you're waiting for the new patch, but instead it's you can't play Vicky2 while you wait for 3, it's finally gotten to me.
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MuffinsAndPie posted:The Paradox game thing where you don't want to play the game because you're waiting for the new patch, but instead it's you can't play Vicky2 while you wait for 3, it's finally gotten to me. I even bought two new dlcs for it. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME PARADOX!!!
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Nektu posted:I started playing EU4 again to get my fix. Try Anbennar. 
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MuffinsAndPie posted:The Paradox game thing where you don't want to play the game because you're waiting for the new patch, but instead it's you can't play Vicky2 while you wait for 3, it's finally gotten to me. Honestly, I tried firing up Vicky 2 again a little while ago and I just couldn't do it. It's kinda impressive how far Paradox has come in terms of UI and design coherence - one of the things I thought interesting about the V3 streams was that it was still more or less possible for a watcher who hadn't played the game to understand what was happening and even to critique the decisions the streamers were making. Figuring out Vicky 2 cold (when you haven't played in a while) even when you have the game is...considerably more difficult, the UI is actively hostile, and a lot of the game mechanics tend towards the unintuitive at best. "Yeah so OK you're playing a second string power so you have an army but you can't actually afford it so what you need to do is to raise taxes to 100% (don't worry, it's inefficient so you're not ACTUALLY taking 100%) and meanwhile cut supplies to the army to the bone (don't worry you don't really NEED the army right now) and then accumulate funds to build a factory and when you have enough just force yourself into a reactionary party because of your country's parties that's the only one that allows state capitalism and allows you to build factories yourself instead of waiting for your non-existent capitalists to do it, and by the way you've been researching art for Maximum Prestige this whole time, right? Otherwise you'll have issues on the world market, just saying."
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Tooltip technology has come a long way since I was a wee lad. Maybe one day, there’ll be a game that’s only tooltips!
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nested tooltips a tooltip within a tooltip within another tooltip
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That's just Crusader Kings 3
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Is there any info on whether luxury consumer goods (e.g. tea, coffee, sugar, fruits) have an additional production step to represent packaging and processing and so on? If you have a colony, do your coffee plantations produce a 'coffee' good that goes straight to the consumer market, or a 'coffee' material you can send to a factory in Europe to get turned into a finished good and provide more jobs for your European factory workers?
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Red Bones posted:Is there any info on whether luxury consumer goods (e.g. tea, coffee, sugar, fruits) have an additional production step to represent packaging and processing and so on? If you have a colony, do your coffee plantations produce a 'coffee' good that goes straight to the consumer market, or a 'coffee' material you can send to a factory in Europe to get turned into a finished good and provide more jobs for your European factory workers? I believe there is a "groceries" industry, so possibly?
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Red Bones posted:Is there any info on whether luxury consumer goods (e.g. tea, coffee, sugar, fruits) have an additional production step to represent packaging and processing and so on? If you have a colony, do your coffee plantations produce a 'coffee' good that goes straight to the consumer market, or a 'coffee' material you can send to a factory in Europe to get turned into a finished good and provide more jobs for your European factory workers? There would have to be, presumably, because luxury clothes and furniture (which exist as goods in V3 iirc) aren’t produced and consumed straight from silk and wood.
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 I checked and there's a photo from one of the presentations at Paradoxcon showing (presumably?) all the trade goods, actually, so it looks like coffee/wine/tea don't have an intermediate step. It looks like art/paintings are a separate trade good though? Which is kind of cool, I wonder how that works.
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guidoanselmi posted:Tooltip technology has come a long way since I was a wee lad. Maybe one day, there’ll be a game that’s only tooltips! Old World has best tooltip tech.
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Red Bones posted:
The Papal States AAR showed that fine arts "factories" produced prestige, and in that particular build a handful of them rocketed the pope to great power status.
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Red Bones posted:
For coffee, tea, and sugar I assume the industry represents not just the growing part but the processing part to get it ready for consumer use. Just like you can get wine "out of the ground" in an industry that represents the entire vine-to-bottle process in an agricultural setting. Ardryn posted:The Papal States AAR showed that fine arts "factories" produced prestige, and in that particular build a handful of them rocketed the pope to great power status. Part of me thinks that's unfortunate- it's perfectly historical for a minor country to briefly be considered a great power due to their art, and there are some interesting gameplay repercussions for doing that. But then I remember that the historical precedent I'm thinking of is Victoria 2 and the whole concept is insane from a real life perspective.
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Eiba posted:For liquor and wine I'm pretty sure there are multiple ways to do it. You could use a production method on your farm to produce liquor/wine out of the ground essentially, or you could chose a production method in your grocery industry to turn grain/fruit into liquor/wine. I'm not sure how you'd model international papal influence, which if I recall the era correctly had significant influence in how Italy became, well, Italy.
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It won't be there on release but the expansions can introduce some sort of celebrity system. Religious leaders, philosophers and artists may have influence on specific groups of people. Like Uncle Tom's Cabin influenced abolitionism, you know. Or that Marx guy. Pope would be a constant celebrity.
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Eiba posted:Part of me thinks that's unfortunate- it's perfectly historical for a minor country to briefly be considered a great power due to their art, and there are some interesting gameplay repercussions for doing that. But then I remember that the historical precedent I'm thinking of is Victoria 2 and the whole concept is insane from a real life perspective.
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Eiba posted:Part of me thinks that's unfortunate- it's perfectly historical for a minor country to briefly be considered a great power due to their art Who did you have in mind, here?
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Gort posted:Who did you have in mind, here?
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I think IRL you do have stuff during the period like western fascination with Japanese art and culture; western artists visiting west Asia and North Africa and producing orientalist art for western audiences; European support for Greek independence in part from the cultural prestige of classical Greece; various national romantic arts movements being tied up with respective nationalist movements... I have no idea how you'd slot these kinds of things into an economics and politics simulator though. Art was important during the period, more for politics than economics, but it's not really neatly encapsulated into a paintings trade good. Maybe giving an opinion bonus to foreign states if they're importing it from you might be the best way to model it simplistically? Really some kind of art + archeology + museums + tourism expansion would be a logical move at some point. There's a lot of interesting material to work from there, both in terms of domestic politics and international relations.
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Gort posted:Who did you have in mind, here? lmao
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Red Bones posted:I think IRL you do have stuff during the period like western fascination with Japanese art and culture; western artists visiting west Asia and North Africa and producing orientalist art for western audiences; European support for Greek independence in part from the cultural prestige of classical Greece; various national romantic arts movements being tied up with respective nationalist movements... Archeology/plundering the treasures of other countries could definitely be a mechanic of its own, with the countries that lost them getting a permanent CB to get that poo poo back.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, that's why I suggested it boost your other stats. Greece wasn't seen as like at the level of France or whatever, but the prestige it got from its association with Ancient Greece put it well ahead of its Balkan peers in terms of the respect afforded to it by the great powers. I, for one, fully support this in hopes that it will lead to many clown car naval invasions (like Belgium invading St. Petersburg) up the Thames to try to retrieve lost artifacts from the British History Museum.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, that's why I suggested it boost your other stats. Greece wasn't seen as like at the level of France or whatever, but the prestige it got from its association with Ancient Greece put it well ahead of its Balkan peers in terms of the respect afforded to it by the great powers. yes, exactly - maybe prestige should be a regional/cultural thing where it sways the great powers to favor you over regional peers because they think you're less savage or w/e goes through the brains of victorians when deciding who to be more or less racist toward
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Victoria 3: Royal In all seriousness, more modeling of soft power and international institutions would be great to see.
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Arrath posted:I, for one, fully support this in hopes that it will lead to many clown car naval invasions (like Belgium invading St. Petersburg) up the Thames to try to retrieve lost artifacts from the British History Museum. Jazerus posted:yes, exactly - maybe prestige should be a regional/cultural thing where it sways the great powers to favor you over regional peers because they think you're less savage or w/e goes through the brains of victorians when deciding who to be more or less racist toward
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Collecting public domain images of historical paintings was unironically one of my favourite parts of Civ 5, and I'd do it all again in Vic if I could.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, that's why I suggested it boost your other stats. Greece wasn't seen as like at the level of France or whatever, but the prestige it got from its association with Ancient Greece put it well ahead of its Balkan peers in terms of the respect afforded to it by the great powers. "Recover Artifacts" should probably be a minor diplomatic play/war goal. Were there any wars fought during the period where the primary CB was recovering artifacts?
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