|
It occurred to me that, with careful pacing and some admittedly tricky reworking of the plot, they could potentially get through the major arcs of the rest of the series in another two seasons. For Season 2: Season of Mists is usually remembered as an epic but there really isn't that much story to cover: Morpheus visits Hell to collect the key, and then we see the negotiations about who gets to keep it. I think that could be accomplished in a tight two episodes, maybe three. While that's going on, Delirium has been hanging around the castle, trying to convince her brother to go on an adventure. So after the key is dealt with, we jump right into Brief Lives, and follow Dream and Del until they catch up with prodigal Endless, which is our episode 10 cliffhanger. Season 2's bonus episode would then be an adaptation of World's End. This would provide an opportunity to adapt all of those beloved single issue stories (Ramadan, Emperor Norton, etc.) as 5-10 minute short films, using the scenes in the inn as a framing device. The climax of the episode is the vision of the funeral procession, setting up another cliffhanger for Season 3. Season 3's premiere shows Dream meeting Destruction with Delirium and then killing his son Orpheus, and episode 2 kicks off The Kindly Ones. If they're committed to doing A Game of You, I think (with a lot of careful thought and effort put into reworking the plot) the events of that story could be folded in here. Since Rose, Lyta and Hal are all in New York City, it would be plausible to bring Barbie and Wanda into their group; we'd spend a few episodes following Barbie, Rose and Lyta's adventures, and then the climax of A Game of You (the stuff with the Cuckoo and Eleanora) would be framed as another of Dream's past mistakes catching up with him in the present. Then Lyta calls down the furies, and we have the entire back half of the season to bring the story to its conclusion. The screenwriters would need to put in a lot of careful work, making sure the reconfigured subplots still connect logically, and keeping the digressions and character bits, which would be tempting to cut but are arguably just as important to Sandman as the main plot. But I do think you could tell the whole story in a satisfying way in 20+ hours instead of 30+.
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2022 18:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 18:15 |
|
|
Indie Rocktopus posted:Season 2's bonus episode would then be an adaptation of World's End. This would provide an opportunity to adapt all of those beloved single issue stories (Ramadan, Emperor Norton, etc.) as 5-10 minute short films, using the scenes in the inn as a framing device. Your idea sucks dude.
|
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2022 18:43
|
|
|
The season 2 bonus episode should be A Parliament of Rooks, maybe paired with Orpheus, but that has early s3 casting inplications (Ideally, though, there would be two bonuses, one before and one after, so the first can be Tales in the Sand+Midsummer's Night Dream.)
|
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2022 19:03
|
|
|
I think the main obstacle is not screentime so much as it is pacing. You don't want to split up the last two books, but you also don't want to have much distance between them and Brief Lives. I think if they're committed to doing A Game of You, the fastest they could speedrun the series would be to do Seasons of Mists/Game of You with a few side stories and then do an extra long season 3 with a cliffhanger break in the middle of Kindly Ones straddling Brief Lives and Wake.
|
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2022 19:16
|
|
|
didn't someone earlier in the thread posted a thing where gaiman was like we figured out a way to like do game of you and seasons of the mists together so sandy wouldn't have to drop out for too long as main character
|
|
#
?
Sep 13, 2022 19:19
|
|
|
I know it's way too early for it to be an issue, but does anyone else worry that the actress playing Lyta Hall is not very good and will not be able to fulfill all the things that Lyta will have to go through?
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 02:37
|
|
|
Borrowed Ladder posted:I know it's way too early for it to be an issue, but does anyone else worry that the actress playing Lyta Hall is not very good and will not be able to fulfill all the things that Lyta will have to go through? At the moment, both her and Constantine come across as a bit too squeaky-clean for me, but on the other hand that leaves plenty of opportunity for them to become more disheveled later as things happen to them.
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 05:12
|
|
|
Borrowed Ladder posted:I know it's way too early for it to be an issue, but does anyone else worry that the actress playing Lyta Hall is not very good and will not be able to fulfill all the things that Lyta will have to go through? IIRC her being kinda flat emotionally was explicit in the text. Except when she wasn't. I did notice though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 07:56
|
|
|
Dave Syndrome posted:At the moment, both her and Constantine come across as a bit too squeaky-clean for me, but on the other hand that leaves plenty of opportunity for them to become more disheveled later as things happen to them. Outside of Thermidor (which would have been a cleaner Constantine anyways) does John Constantine do anything else in the main Sandman books? (I know he's in a couple of Sandman spinoff one-offs, but I can't see those being adapted. God, imagine the Lucifer limited series with Christie...) Not sure they'll have a chance to dirty up modern(!)Johanna, but I have high hopes for Lyta's descent.
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 21:17
|
|
|
There's a theory that the show will eliminate Thessaly, slotting Johanna Constantine into her place.
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 21:35
|
|
|
Thranguy posted:There's a theory that the show will eliminate Thessaly, slotting Johanna Constantine into her place. Huh. That would probably work pretty well actually. The hardest part would be contriving to get her into the mix with the rest of the people in that apartment, but Constantine has friends/enemies/former lovers everywhere, so I'm sure a reason could be found.
|
|
#
?
Sep 14, 2022 21:38
|
|
|
I feel like putting Johanna Constantine into Thessaly's role is fitting a square peg into a round hole. At their core, the Constantine (John or Johanna) are driven to do good in the world. Thessaly is a very petty, vengeful person. There would have to be some serious changes to the role to make these characters fit the same person, especially with Thessaly's role in The Kindly Ones. I'm eager to see how the modern adaptation of A Game of You would look. I feel like they'd try to especially hammer home the whole "gods are wrong" angle with the Moon, but I'd like to see a happier ending for Wanda.
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 06:28
|
|
|
I’d settle for a “Thessaly is just an idiot” angle but I’m of the opinion that Thessaly should be getting dunked on 100% of the time she’s present in a scene.
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 06:53
|
|
|
Whenever Thessaly is not getting dunked on on screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Thessaly's comeuppance?"
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 07:00
|
|
|
Dunking aside Thessaly is a great take on immortality. Someone who has hollowed out every other part of her life in order to live forever. She's a very compelling monster. She's practically an open world RPG player character.
Happy Underpants fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Sep 15, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 08:01
|
|
|
I could see twisting Constantine and the plot to play Thessaly in Game of You, but I don't see how you do it for Kindly Ones. That seems to far, either for book Constantine or the one we saw in S1.
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 10:58
|
|
|
Seems exactly like the thing a Netflix adaptation would do to "play with" viewers' expectations and for expedience, only question is can they convince Gaiman to tweet about how it's actually good
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 11:14
|
|
|
Ravenfood posted:I could see twisting Constantine and the plot to play Thessaly in Game of You, but I don't see how you do it for Kindly Ones. That seems to far, either for book Constantine or the one we saw in S1. Constantine is first and foremost a bastard and a survivor. The Constantine who sold his soul to three Lords of Hell to buy himself a few more years cancer-free would absolutely buy a couple of centuries by betraying someone whose life he'd inveigled his way into on the chance that he could exploit them for the same purpose. And by gender flipping the present day Constantine, they've left the door open for her to be the same Constantine who met Dream in 1789 - a Constantine who is making deals for temporary immortality. She knows Hob did it, after all. That is the kind of twist that I'd expect to see, if they were going to use one.
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 12:05
|
|
|
Jedit posted:And by gender flipping the present day Constantine, they've left the door open for her to be the same Constantine who met Dream in 1789 - a Constantine who is making deals for temporary immortality. She knows Hob did it, after all.  They already made it quite clear that they're different people..!
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 17:33
|
|
|
Sentinel Red posted:
So if you were a showrunner planning a big twist on the existing material you'd be sure to tell everyone about it a year in advance the very first time it's speculated? Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily see it happening and wouldn't particularly like it if it did. I'm just saying they've made it possible and provided a reason for it to happen.
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 18:29
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/cbr/status/1570435021428920321?s=46&t=5LoWIYDonUvnc1bUtvUCNg it’s an absolute hit but still not renewed what the absolute gently caress
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 19:54
|
|
|
the escape goat posted:https://twitter.com/cbr/status/1570435021428920321?s=46&t=5LoWIYDonUvnc1bUtvUCNg The streaming wars are pivoting from the "see who can light the most bags of money on fire" phase to the "see who can cut their service to the barest minimum" phase
|
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 19:59
|
|
|
Jedit posted:Constantine is first and foremost a bastard and a survivor. The Constantine who sold his soul to three Lords of Hell to buy himself a few more years cancer-free would absolutely buy a couple of centuries by betraying someone whose life he'd inveigled his way into on the chance that he could exploit them for the same purpose. And by gender flipping the present day Constantine, they've left the door open for her to be the same Constantine who met Dream in 1789 - a Constantine who is making deals for temporary immortality. She knows Hob did it, after all. That is the kind of twist that I'd expect to see, if they were going to use one. Yeah, Constantines are, to a man/woman, selfish assholes. Sure, they do good things on occasion and can be quite charming, but these people are by and large poison for anyone they care about/come in contact with. Being Constantine's "friend" can be worse than being their enemy. They're also prideful, and I could definitely see Johanna plunging ahead half-cocked with the various magics in A Game of You because they're convinced it's the only way to solve a problem. It would also be less "confusing" wrt the rightness of the actions, since Thessaly is mysterious and self-assured, but Johanna would probably be more visibly winging it. DJ_Mindboggler fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Sep 15, 2022 |
|
#
?
Sep 15, 2022 21:08
|
|
|
the escape goat posted:https://twitter.com/cbr/status/1570435021428920321?s=46&t=5LoWIYDonUvnc1bUtvUCNg I have a sneaking suspicion they are saving the announcement for their big circle-jerk TUDUM event at the end of the month.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2022 23:58
|
|
|
It’s been leaked here and there that they’re already green lit, maybe they’re trying to keep it secret to build up anticipation
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 00:35
|
|
|
Steve Yun posted:It’s been leaked here and there that they’re already green lit, maybe they’re trying to keep it secret to build up anticipation This is the first I've been hearing about this -- I assumed between Netflix having to pay through the nose on covid delays and the WB downsizing this would be dead. Where did you hear about this?
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 02:28
|
|
|
This show was almost definitely expensive as gently caress and also painful to film. It kinda works by itself so I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t renew it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 02:32
|
|
|
Open Source Idiom posted:This is the first I've been hearing about this -- I assumed between Netflix having to pay through the nose on covid delays and the WB downsizing this would be dead. I should walk it back There are a bunch of reports of pre-production on season 2 happening but I guess that’s no guarantee
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 08:52
|
|
|
Steve Yun posted:I should walk it back When you say "pre-production" do you mean the writing's started up, or something else? Because the writing thing's already come up in the thread, and it's not a smoking gun (As I understand it Gaiman's said the exact opposite, that they've decided to jump the gun and open up a writer's room without the show being renewed yet).
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 08:54
|
|
|
Per the man himself they've written the scripts for season two and the VFX team is working on it (I don't know how if nothing has been filmed, but I trust Neil not to lie). This is the interview he's referencing in the Tweet. https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1571290521343070209
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 14:43
|
|
|
Even if Netflix doesn't renew, it's a big enough hit that some other network will take it now. The question is what budget it gets.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 15:58
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Even if Netflix doesn't renew, it's a big enough hit that some other network will take it now. The question is what budget it gets. This is likely the sticking point--I'm sure Netflix wants a season 2 but they may not want to splurge on the budget again.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 16:15
|
|
|
in the streaming world of the 21st century, a show is a theater troupe looking for wealthy patrons to show their talents
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 16:15
|
|
|
Soysaucebeast posted:Per the man himself they've written the scripts for season two and the VFX team is working on it (I don't know how if nothing has been filmed, but I trust Neil not to lie). Pre-visualisation. They probably want to make some things feel a bit bigger, there are some CGI characters that they'll want to have designs in place for, and so on.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2022 16:27
|
|
|
Popoto posted:in the streaming world of the 21st century, a show is a theater troupe looking for wealthy patrons to show their talents In Sandman terms, Gaiman and co. are Will Shaxberd's troupe performing A Midsummer Night's Dream, and the entertainment industry is the fair folk. ...immortal, abusive, capricious, fond of one-sided contracts and child abduction. Yep, checks out.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2022 13:58
|
|
|
Indie Rocktopus posted:In Sandman terms, Gaiman and co. are Will Shaxberd's troupe performing A Midsummer Night's Dream, and the entertainment industry is the fair folk. poo poo, one of the Hollywood executives stayed behind when they went back to Executive-land and their whereabouts are uknown. I am sure that won't cause problems down the line.
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2022 23:27
|
|
|
the holy poopacy posted:The streaming wars are pivoting from the "see who can light the most bags of money on fire" phase to the "see who can cut their service to the barest minimum" phase It's this.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2022 00:53
|
|
|
I've done a little more reading around, and I'm less worried about this show not being renewed now based purely on the timeline of events -- it took The Umbrella Academy around two months to be renewed for a fourth and final season. That said, I don't think this is a done deal at all, and given covid costs impacting the first season, the state of the WB and the state of Netflix, I'm still not holding my breath.
|
|
#
?
Sep 21, 2022 01:27
|
|
|
Gaiman tweeted, and then deleted, that Netflix isn't rushing to green light S2 because people didn't binge S1 so the metrics look kind of lovely after getting split between two monthly cycles.
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2022 07:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 18:15 |
|
|
I can't find any evidence of this tweet's supposed existence. Unless you mean this, which was not deleted: https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1572648570389692416?s=20&t=R3v90NuXvrj_RDuTE0pI9A
|
|
#
?
Sep 23, 2022 07:33
|
|
