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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm pretty sure that they are starting over completely with Daredevil. Charlie Cox said as much at D23, and the fact that we are going to see the early yellow version of the suit makes me think that they are going to do a clean slate. That gives them more freedom than sticking to established continuity from when they did not have complete control over the creative direction. This is rumour sites completely misquoting Charlie Cox. He explicitly said he has NOT seen any scripts for Born Again, and that it's just a fresh start for the character. Gossipmongers took that to mean a total reboot and ran with it. Calling it now, they will not contradict anything from the 3 Netflix seasons, because they absolutely do not need to. They might do a few extra flashbacks to refresh new viewers on who DD is, and the origin, but that's just a glorified in-universe "previously on..." bit of setup. Even in Hawkeye they were careful to show flashback Kingpin in the time appropriate black suit from before he met Vanessa, changing to white for current era. Sure, the series is going to be another round of DD versus Kingpin, but like the comics haven't done that 100 times already and it still works every time. It's canonically so many years since they last squared off that Fisk has had plenty of time to plot an epic comeback. Though honestly the one downside for the Hawkeye show was seeing him reduced to just the leader of the tracksuit mafia which was a bit "eh" for his return. I still say the best DD/Fisk story would have been set just after The Snap, where Fisk is the "necessary evil" strongman holding a fractured New York together, with DD having to rein in his excesses while being unable to take him down because, frankly, in this near apocalyptic situation there would be some temporary benefit from someone, anyone (even Fisk) saying "I got this" and stopping society falling apart completely. There would have been so many complex moral and ethical quandries to navigate in the "fascism is bad but full societal collapse is worse" aspect of walking that particular line. Hell, they could still do that, just have Fisk's influence first reduced as the world gradually came to terms with a post-Snap world, and then negated after the return. Just use his reputation gain in those first post-Snap years being what wiped out his previous negative rep so he can now cleanly run for mayor etc as he's managed to launder his public image into the saviour of New York.
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Rarity posted:Amazed that anyone could say no to more Elodie Yung Yeah I thought she was great, perfect combo of alluring and scary
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Rarity posted:Amazed that anyone could say no to more Elodie Yung She was a very talented actress doing the best she could with a very poorly written character.
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The “antihero love interest” is so easy to pull off well by just having them be villains who aren’t murderers like Catwoman or Black Cat. I don’t remember much of DD season 2 but I recall some mythical cult and prophecies or something and it just didn’t work. Man the early episodes of season 2 with Punisher and Daredevil in direct conflict were amazing.
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Cythereal posted:She was a very talented actress doing the best she could with a very poorly written character. Yeah I thought she was great.
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Parkingtigers posted:I still say the best DD/Fisk story would have been set just after The Snap, where Fisk is the "necessary evil" strongman holding a fractured New York together, with DD having to rein in his excesses while being unable to take him down because, frankly, in this near apocalyptic situation there would be some temporary benefit from someone, anyone (even Fisk) saying "I got this" and stopping society falling apart completely. There would have been so many complex moral and ethical quandries to navigate in the "fascism is bad but full societal collapse is worse" aspect of walking that particular line. The Avengers, or at least a version of the Avengers, existed during the blip. Going full Escape from NY wouldn't have been necessary.
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live with fruit posted:The Avongers, or at least a version of the Avongers, existed during the blip. Going full Escape from NY wouldn't have been necessary. On the other hand, tell me you don't want to see Kingpin rolling around in a limo with chandeliers mounted to the bonnet.
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There has to be a limit to how big the street level stuff can be. There were no real stakes in Hawkeye and Vulture was just selling weapons. Kingpin becoming the emperor of New York would grab more than just Daredevil’s attention.
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Rarity posted:Amazed that anyone could say no to more Elodie Yung Daredevil Elektra - Yes The Defenders Elektra - No
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live with fruit posted:The Avengers, or at least a version of the Avengers, existed during the blip. Going full Escape from NY wouldn't have been necessary. The Avengers were shown to be in pretty rough shape and straining to keep things intact, and it's already pretty well established they're not really concerned or effective with street level stuff at the best of times.
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live with fruit posted:There has to be a limit to how big the street level stuff can be. There were no real stakes in Hawkeye and Vulture was just selling weapons. Kingpin becoming the emperor of New York would grab more than just Daredevil’s attention. I think the idea works if Kingpin was only consolidating organized crime and pushing more influence over neighbourhoods without it being him sitting on a throne over the rubble of the city or whatever. No reason you can't have someone relatively underground "holding the city together" - just demonstrate that corruption is rife, the police aren't effective, etc.
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live with fruit posted:There has to be a limit to how big the street level stuff can be. There were no real stakes in Hawkeye and Vulture was just selling weapons. Kingpin becoming the emperor of New York would grab more than just Daredevil’s attention.
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I actually wonder if they're building towards a big streetlevel event. There's already a connection between Echo, Kate and Hawkeye, with Daredevil coming and he's got connections to Spider-Man, sort of, and She-Hulk. "Kingpin Level Threat" could become a thing.
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Rarity posted:Amazed that anyone could say no to more Elodie Yung gently caress it just have her play Kwannon or something, Elektra loving sucks and is the worst Daredevil should never be allowed near ninja bullshit
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Elektra is too well known among non-nerds to not be a part of the MCU.
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Mameluke posted:gently caress it just have her play Kwannon or something, Elektra loving sucks and is the worst this is the most wrong thing I have ever heard
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Soul Glo posted:make jon favreau say electric nachos again Goddamn it, I'm sure other, smarter, people have already mentioned it, but only just this moment did it click with me that Favreau's now shared a scene with two versions of Daredevil.
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Hmmm. The Hand. The Hood. The High Evolutionary. Hammerhead… ..if it weren’t for Hela and the Hobgoblin, I’d say ban all H supervillains, they’re completely rubbish. Also, I’m trademarking Hela and the Hobgoblin for my band name, do not steal.
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Sentinel Red posted:Hmmm. The Hand. The Hood. The High Evolutionary. Hammerhead… I'm also a big fan of Hydro-Man, Hypno-Hustler and Hhhhhwiplash
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Can’t believe that Triple H is gonna be the antagonist in Ant-Man 3.
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Gonz posted:Can’t believe that Triple H is gonna be the antagonist in Ant-Man 3. especially when most folks know him as a Blade villain
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FlamingLiberal posted:In fairness they were alien powered weapons This is specifically why the stakes were high. Tony didn't think Chitauri weapon dealers were any bigger than regular cop level, but Uncle Aaron is terrified of them because he's just doing street stuff for money and recognizes how dangerous it is for everyone to be able to get building-destroying energy rifles. Which is a good callback to the first Avengers movie. Steve is pissed when he finds out that SHIELD is trying to take advantage of everything to reverse-engineer alien and Tesseract technology to make these, and he ends up absolutely right about their motivations in the end. SHIELD was compromised all along and the influx of alien tech is causing a lot of chaos and destruction around the world.
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Oh dip! https://deadline.com/2022/09/loki-eugene-cordero-upped-series-regular-season-2-1235122473/
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swickles posted:Oh dip! Dude is in all the big franchises: MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Godzilla/Monsterverse .... He's also going to make the move from animated Star Trek character to live action when Lower Decks has a crossover episode with ST: Strange New Worlds next year
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Dude is in all the big franchises: MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Godzilla/Monsterverse .... He's such a That Guy actor that his role in Loki seemed like a glorified cameo so it makes sense they'd bring him back and give him something to do.
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I only know him from The Good Place
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Oasx posted:I only know him from The Good Place Okie dokie!
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Dude is in all the big franchises: MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Godzilla/Monsterverse .... He is? I thought that was just going to be Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid.
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Parkingtigers posted:Though honestly the one downside for the Hawkeye show was seeing him reduced to just the leader of the tracksuit mafia which was a bit "eh" for his return. I thought this was a huge down side myself, the squashing of any sort of real danger so that the same goofballs can be pummeled over and over again. I really disliked that show other than the White Widow interactions
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"Just the leader of the Tracksuit Mafia" doesn't seem accurate considering how scared Kate's mom, who was pretty powerful, was of him.
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live with fruit posted:"Just the leader of the Tracksuit Mafia" doesn't seem accurate considering how scared Kate's mom, who was pretty powerful, was of him. That’s fair. But the Kingpin they talked about in fearful hushed tones, and the Kingpin they showed hanging with the bros, felt like two different people. Instead of Fisk limping away down an alley, I would have liked to see the cops rushing to arrest him at the car crash site but as soon as they see him they’re all “oh sorry Mr. Fisk you can go” and that alone would have sold him as a threat outside the law. That was I needed for him. The best Kingpin scenes were deleted. Hope they find a way to use them in Echo.
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He did, yeah. Which is the opposite of where I would have taken it, but Hawkeye was just the teasery little "look who's back, bitches" return to the MCU for him so I won't judge until Echo and Born Again drop.
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I just assumed the Tracksuit Mafia was one part of the Kingpin's operations and he had other stuff going on off-screen
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Parkingtigers posted:He did, yeah. Which is the opposite of where I would have taken it, but Hawkeye was just the teasery little "look who's back, bitches" return to the MCU for him so I won't judge until Echo and Born Again drop. Gotta give Kingpin something to do across three shows.
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