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i just talked with a startup cto who was like well idk you don’t have gcp or go or kubernetes on your resume and and that’s what we use here so i’m a little hesitant and i was like well no but knowing the right cloud api calls or whatever out of the gate is a relatively unimportant part of the job, i can learn that stuff, the value i can bring is knowing more broadly how to ask the right questions and how to devise strategies to answer them and he said yeah you’re right that’s a really good point had that really not occurred to him? i was expecting “oh we’re a tiny startup that actually cannot afford even a little time for technology ramp up,” not to seemingly change his mind. maybe he was just lying to be polite idk
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raminasi posted:i just talked with a startup cto who was like well idk you don’t have gcp or go or kubernetes on your resume and and that’s what we use here so i’m a little hesitant he’s cto at a startup and a moron, but I repeat myself
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on the one hand he started with a bad stance that is both reprehensible but extremely common. on the other hand he listened to your argument and changed his mind, which is something a lot of adults can't do.
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had a final round for an internship position today and had to do a graph traversal problem that involved multiplying edge values. i was praised for evidently being the only one out of ~200 intern applicants he's asked that question to do depth-first search on a graph iteratively instead of recursively .... i'm not the only one who was expressly taught that doing recursion on a graph is awful practice right ????
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it actually depends pretty hard on the language. tail recursion in common lisp is optimized to hell and back but java will pop the stack with ease
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to clear up the context we're talking university-level technical interviews where people are used to using python or java or whatever from leets codes. none of these kiddos use lisp
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its bad times w normal peep algol langs mostly yeah
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a basic thing about programming in the wild is that it can be deeply unfortunately stupid like you would expect that specific dfs tail call bustin the stack fuckery to not kill peeps by fuckin w their car brakes, right? right? https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf
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tbh i'm mostly just proud of myself for pushing back on it i was thinking of bdid's "interviewing is just sales" the whole time
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bob dobbs is dead posted:a basic thing about programming in the wild is that it can be deeply unfortunately stupid holy poo poo. i feel like i generally write good code but remind me to never work in a shop where my code quality is relevant to peep's lives
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raminasi posted:tbh i'm mostly just proud of myself for pushing back on it congrats now go prospect more. theres a huge ironic effect where prospecting (and qualifying prospect) is most important in the insane;y low-volume sales and obviously youve got only one of yourself to sell so you gotta go prospect a lot
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lord fifth posted:holy poo poo. i feel like i generally write good code but remind me to never work in a shop where my code quality is relevant to peep's lives proper FuSa projects will have coding standards based on the safety integrity level of the component. in a C project like this involving ASIL C/D hazards as a junior engineer you’ll have hard rules for using language features, rules for libc calls and rules for system/kernel calls. these rules are to keep you inside a safe “box”. any failure would be of the entire engineering process and not a personal one in short: be scared away from embedded automotive projects because of lower salaries than a FAANG and having to work in suburban Detroit
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lord fifth posted:holy poo poo. i feel like i generally write good code but remind me to never work in a shop where my code quality is relevant to peep's lives i used to work on software that ran doctors' offices and the appointment scheduling part was low-stress but i'm really happy that i never had to touch the parts that measured and dispensed drugs
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hobbesmaster posted:proper FuSa projects will have coding standards based on the safety integrity level of the component. in a C project like this involving ASIL C/D hazards as a junior engineer you’ll have hard rules for using language features, rules for libc calls and rules for system/kernel calls. these rules are to keep you inside a safe “box”. any failure would be of the entire engineering process and not a personal one hey hey hey you would have to work in toyota city, aichi, japan, basically bought from the japanese government as a company town with dormitories and de facto company scrip and everything
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will always remember when i started a job working on ECG software and asked about testing only to be told "it's not life critical, who cares"
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Help! I have been doing devops for about two years now and turns out i loving hate it. A lot of my time amounts to fixing cloud problems for web developers that should know better. I graduated college late 2020 with a swe and my boss gave me the devil’s choice of being a devops or webdev. At the time devops seemed cool because that team had more autonomy, and I was already doing admin. Do I have any good path forward to getting back into development with my current experience, or do I have to learn php / react and make a bunch of fart portfolio apps? My job market is the hell that is silicon valley. I write some go, some python, but nothing on the regular because I am mostly crying at yaml.
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if you still like the company see if its possible to switch roles
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What do you want to do instead? Apply for those jobs or move internally
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all in all the company is a good fit for me. i do not have professional experience as a web developer, but it probably doesnt hurt to ask. actually i was under the assumption that it would hurt to ask because the current team is small and leaving would probably cause headaches. e: i applied to several programming roles this evening. mostly some sort of “backend” title, but some roles with descriptions vague enough that they couldnt say no to be based on description bullet points. if i could pick anything it would be a backend programming role, but those are asking for experience and educational chops that i dont think i have. it is prob not as confusing as all this but recently i applied to a dev role. the recruiter basically said “You arent qualified wanna do IT to get your feet in and transfer later?” and it pretty much broke my brain. Bored Online fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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MononcQc posted:on the one hand he started with a bad stance that is both reprehensible but extremely common. that’s a really good point and a super rare quality in a person
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Bored Online posted:“You arent qualified wanna do IT to get your feet in and transfer later?” and it pretty much broke my brain. that's just a crooter being a crooter e: If external they likely recon (probably correctly) that it will be less work and more pay to put you into IT. If internal they are thrilled because getting IT folks is hard and they can dangle a reward in front of you to depress salary. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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passed a technical interview phase but the heavy hitter interviewer guy was late and had to leave early and seemed distracted and the other guy was really light on questions or deeper technical discussion and also new to the company but I’m moving onto the next phases I guess, so  the crooter let me know that while I passed they felt like I didn’t do a good job talking about my technical choices, which really bugs me because I tried to start discussions about that and even returned to our diagramming after Q&A to see if they wanted to talk more about anything since the discussion we had was so light lol. the crooter let me know this as sort of a hint for what to emphasize in my remaining calls if it comes up again, super weird I’m glad it went fine, but I’m not glad that the org is green enough that they’re so clumsy at interviewing. I felt like it was one of the worst interviews I’ve participated in as an interviewee in a while. very weird vibes. it drives me up the wall because I’ve been the interviewer for that same kind of panel and handled it way better! if I decide to take this role based on the remaining interviews and offer then I’m immediately going to try and improve their technical interviewing strategy and rubric interviewing always feels like such a poo poo show
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Bored Online posted:Help! I have been doing devops for about two years now and turns out i loving hate it. A lot of my time amounts to fixing cloud problems for web developers that should know better. I graduated college late 2020 with a swe and my boss gave me the devil’s choice of being a devops or webdev. At the time devops seemed cool because that team had more autonomy, and I was already doing admin. Do I have any good path forward to getting back into development with my current experience, or do I have to learn php / react and make a bunch of fart portfolio apps? My job market is the hell that is silicon valley. I write some go, some python, but nothing on the regular because I am mostly crying at yaml. Polish up your resume and get started sending out those applications. There are plenty of work out there it's just to grab it (and then never ever do devops again)
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Bored Online posted:current team is small and leaving would probably cause headaches. not for you!
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unless you have really bad management, the company would much prefer you moving internally than having you leave
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my homie dhall posted:unless you have really bad management, the company would much prefer you moving internally than having you leave Yeah, this. But keep in mind that if you do move internally and it's a small company you will absolutely get pulled back a lot until they backfill you.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its bad times w normal peep algol langs mostly yeah python blessedly no longer using the c stack in 3.10, so unless trying to desperately conserve memory (in python, lol) you can recurse away.
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Private Speech posted:that's just a crooter being a crooter a cyberpunk goose posted:the crooter I don't like that this word is catching on
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crooter
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The Fool posted:I don't like that this word is catching on they're just getting their crouton
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The Fool posted:I don't like that this word is catching on yeah i am strongly against this
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who needs they crooter ate
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crutons
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Cold on a Cob posted:Yeah, this. But keep in mind that if you do move internally and it's a small company you will absolutely get pulled back a lot until they backfill you. so related: I did this from support/solutions engineering stuff to dev, and it did heavily impact the team I left and I helped them until they got their poo poo together with a replacement I really like my work and coworkers so it wasnt that big of a deal It was a good move for me and allowed me to sneak around whatever bs hiring things I'd have to put up with edit: i had already been doing development in terms of workarounds/glue and fixes with domain experience but not like dev "make new stuff" so i did have some dev experience in that regard Share Bear fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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yep I'm not saying you shouldn't try OP, just be aware it tends to happen
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yeah i already got hit with that once moving from systems administration / IT. I think they gave me the option to go engineering because i had graduated and clearly woulda left if they hadnt. It is a good company (i actually like the people here) and fairly large but their inability to grow the devops team with the rest of the org, and me being a knowledge holder will probably be a set back. im gonna ask anyway though because if i can get away with getting a year or two practical dev experience while dodging the technical interviewing bs itd prob be worth it. i just cant imagine my boss not feeling really inconvenienced by it for the before mentioned reasons and then ill have no choice but to bail
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The Fool posted:I don't like that this word is catching on i like it specifically because it's so awful
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Plorkyeran posted:i like it specifically because it's so awful I used it because it was a dick recruiter move, I wouldn't actually use it normally also to provoke people a bit
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crootr
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