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Cyrano4747 posted:The first time I heard the Lovelace term I had to double check because wasn't all that aware of Ada Lovelace and the only famous Lovelace I could think of was Linda. If you look at the comparison graphs on Nvidia's site it's the only series where they use a first name because they're aware of the distinction. They should have called it Linda though, because they screwed the pooch.
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Cygni posted:This sounds more and more like Turing, honestly. i think it's shaping up to be much worse really lol
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We really just need the independent/semi independent benchmark numbers between all the cards when they're allowed to be posted, being patient can be annoying though.
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repiv posted:it may actually be more efficient, RTXDI is supposed to allow sampling a arbitrary number of lights using a fixed ray budget per pixel, rather than tracing shadow rays to every light on every frame. I actually found it interesting how varied the performance can be with RT on. At night it can drop to below 50% max fps. The biggest delta I saw with RT off was like 25% (not counting cpu bottlenecks).
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I think using DLSS Frame Generation will probably increase input lag by a lot. I would think that it'd work by looking at frame N-1, N, and then trying to generate frame N+0.5 by extrapolating the detected motion vectors, rather than looking at frame N-1, N, and then trying to generate from N-0.5 based on the difference. Motion vectors should allow you to do this for opaque stuff already, I guess all the optical flow stuff is to they can project transparent stuff forward. I'm kinda surprised it's take so long for somebody to come back to frame interpolation. The Force Unleashed devs showed an experimental 30 -> 60 FPS frame interpolation technique back in like 2011 that ran on a Xbox 360 and looked pretty good as I recall. They were projecting forward from the previous frame and polled controller input at 60hz rather than 30hz, which let them update camera movement motion vectors at 60hz. This apparently had the effect of reducing perceived latency. I'd be curious to see how something like that would work today, projecting the last frame forward and rendering like a 1/16th resolution frame to fill in disocclusions.
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infraboy posted:We really just need the independent/semi independent benchmark numbers between all the cards when they're allowed to be posted, being patient can be annoying though. I mean, those are coming. But press is strictly under NDA so that Nvidia can do their marketing spiel unabated.
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Sep 20, 2022 20:30
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Rinkles posted:I actually found it interesting how varied the performance can be with RT on. At night it can drop to below 50% max fps. The biggest delta I saw with RT off was like 25% (not counting cpu bottlenecks). Though I wonder if those swings were compounded by DLSS.
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Cygni posted:Lookin at the RE Village chart, its really hard to guess if thats like 3090 non-Ti performance or like 3080 performance. Assuming its 3080 Ti level, that 4080 12gig would be the same as current 3080 Ti street prices for the same performance, with 65w lower TDP and better RT/DLSS3. Thats not ... awful, but also not great. Anyone who was around for the old insane generational performance days will get A Sad. And clearly anyone with value on the mind should stay away and buy firesale Ampere/RDNA2 or wait. Considering the 3080 Ti is only marginally more performant than the 3080 12GB (we're talking single-digit percent), I don't think it makes too much of a difference. The 3080 Ti is also a dumb card to buy right now. The one point I'll give in the 4080 12GB's favor is that if the RT boost is as high as Nvidia claims, then it may be okay to ignore the relative stagnation in rasterization performance. If you're gaming at 1440p, then the raster performance is going to be good no matter what. I genuinely don't think we're going to be seeing that much in the way of highly-demanding games that don't use RT going forward. We will still see plenty of games that go without RT, but those will all likely run at 90+ fps on a 3080 12GB/Ti/4080 12GB at 1440p anyway. RT is the one area that will bring your computer to its knees, so if the 4080 can bring a big boost there, that probably means more than a raster boost would. I think this goes for all of the high-end cards. We've honestly hit peak raster. We have enough rasterization performance now, and there's nothing on the horizon looking to really push that. If you're a skeptic about ray tracing, that's fine, just don't buy the new cards and games will continue to run excellently for you. ...But if you want to do 4K, then this all changes and you're probably wishing that the 4080 12GB would bring a little bit of a boost to rasterization at that price. tl;dr: yeah, it's another turing situation, with almost the same caveats (except now there's at least a pretty decent number of games with RT) Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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steckles posted:I'm kinda surprised it's take so long for somebody to come back to frame interpolation. it's been a staple of VR rendering for years, any time you miss vsync they extrapolate the last frame to the current frames head position to keep you from  ing. AFAIK they even borrow the video encoders optical flow engine like nvidia is doing.due to the artifacts it causes that's generally treated as a last resort though, not something you'd rely on all the time, which is probably why it didn't spread outside of VR until now with a (seemingly) better quality spin on the idea
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Oh, and the official spec sheets confirm DisplayPort 1.4a. DP 2.0 is not support this generation, which is just baffling to me. I wonder if they'll be able to do a firmware update to support it like how they upgraded Pascal from 1.2 to 1.4a.
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Sep 20, 2022 20:39
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Any details on how RTX remix will work (demoed on Morrowind)? That looked amazing, but I’m not sure how automated it’ll be.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Oh, and the official spec sheets confirm DisplayPort 1.4a. DP 2.0 is not support this generation, which is just baffling to me. Does any monitor on the market even have DP2.0 yet?
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With the Etherium change I'm hoping this might be a good time to upgrade my graphics card. Here's my current system: CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K @ 3.70GHz 16 GB RAM PSU: Corsair 550 W RM550x Series 80 PLUS Gold Asrock Z370 Pro4 Motherboard I'm rocking a 2015 vintage GTX 970, so it's probably due. I have a 4k monitor from an old work computer that I'd like to run at 60Hz and a crappy 1080p Samsung. I'm in the UK so prices are still absurd and there's no stock of any founders edition 30 series (except the 3070Ti, lol). What can I reasonably attach to that motherboard?
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Rinkles posted:Any details on how RTX remix will work? That looked amazing, but I’m not sure how automated it’ll be. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-remix-announcement/ seems like it's basically plug and play for DX8/DX9 games, but to get good results out of the raytracing engine someone will need to author PBR texture replacements and set up light sources for the game they're saying that Portal RTX is actually built using remix, so the implication is that it's still the original unmodified executable from 2007 and the new renderer is just wrapped around it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZHBl5yWqJk repiv fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Looks like PNY revealed the AD102 specs in the spec sheet for one of their workstation cards: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-details-ad102-gpu-up-to-18432-cuda-cores-76-3b-transistors-and-608-mm%c2%b2 608 mm² is seriously small for the kind of performance being claimed, with 76.3B transistors claimed to be packed in there. Is that even more transistor density than the H100? Shipon posted:Does any monitor on the market even have DP2.0 yet? No, but it would help with adoption if the new cards supported it.
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Wolfsbane posted:With the Etherium change I'm hoping this might be a good time to upgrade my graphics card. Here's my current system: Can't you get a used mining card from eBay.co.uk? An example I saw just now: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385110612195?epid=3048026982
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what's a turing situation. do I have to upgrade my 12gb 3080 or not
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Impermanent posted:what's a turing situation. do I have to upgrade my 12gb 3080 or not turing was the 20 series which had major price increases + limited performance gains, & was not well-received as a result
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Impermanent posted:what's a turing situation. do I have to upgrade my 12gb 3080 or not Definitely not, enjoy.
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Impermanent posted:what's a turing situation. do I have to upgrade my 12gb 3080 or not turing situation = price to performance stagnation with traditional rendering, but with fancy ray tracing capabilities and extra features. don't upgrade until you find something you want to do that you can't do with your current card.
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Even me on a 3080 FE, I'm not really considering the "upgrade". Now if I get one for free through the upcoming twitter giveaways, that'll be a different story. 
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repiv posted:https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-remix-announcement/ Yeah this seems awesome. I wonder if games have to be whitelisted by nvidia to work with the RTX Remix Runtime.
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They go into RTX Remix on the website more, show Gothic, Oblivion, and some other games as well. It is a full blown 3d scene ripper. You can at any time export the current scene as a USD that will be loaded into the Remix Editor. from there you can place new light sources, adjust the ones in the scene, swap out materials and models to your heart's content. And then export that version of the scene as an RTX Remix modpack. That when loaded will dynamically swap out textures/materials and models with your new versions as they are told to be loaded. You can essentially replace the static geometry and materials of any dx8-9 game I think. Will be fun messing with it in V:TM:B when it comes out.
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Rinkles posted:Yeah this seems awesome. I wonder if games have to be whitelisted by nvidia to work with the RTX Remix Runtime. it reads like their intention is for it to work with any game of that era, i doubt there will be any whitelisting
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Yeah, right now id buy a 6800xt over a 3070 or 3080 and chances are Ill buy a 7800xt over a 4070 or 4080 Same. Big question is how AMD 6-series and even Nvidia 3-series prices are going to react to these prices. I suspect they'll go up or stop dropping since the new gen is so overpriced as to leave a vacuum pushing up those prices. Is today going to be the low on existing gen for the next few months? Prices were dropping nicely, with 6800xts around $560 last I looked, but that trend may stop. Thanks, Nvidia. v1ld fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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repiv posted:it reads like their intention is for it to work with any game of that era, i doubt there will be any whitelisting Yeah, but some games have cheat detection that maybe will ping off it if used. You can't reshade planetside2 for example. Which is a shame because I wanted to see how TF2 could be tweaked up as well.
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edit: ehhh I don't want my PMs to blow up, I will wait until I have a new card in hand 
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Gen 5 SSDs, new video cards, new AMD/Intel CPUS and chipsets, time to call the Chase and see if I can up my credit limit.
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Still thinking on RTX Remix possibilities. How many emulators have a dx9 renderer available. There are some ps1 games that could be fun to see it try its best to make look better
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Wait, this seems like a way bigger deal than RTX alone. Like, a way bigger deal. Doesn't this open up a massive number of modding possibilities for games that were previously unmoddable?
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yeah even if ada is an overpriced snoozefest and most of us won't actually be able to use DLSS3 any time soon, we're going to get some sick rear end mods from RTX remix
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Rinkles posted:Do I understand correctly that this’ll also backdoor DLSS to old games? It only mentions dlss 3. By logic it means it should be able to support 2.0 since they use all the same inputs at a minimum. but doesn't mean Nvidia won't make dlss 3 only to make you buy a newer gpu.
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repiv posted:it's been a staple of VR rendering for years, any time you miss vsync they extrapolate the last frame to the current frames head position to keep you from
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Their Mount & Blade screenshot has the shadows acting like a single light source is in the middle of the shot At least get your promo shots right nvidia
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So I see the RTX 4000 series cards have been announced. As a 3080 owner from launch day, is there anything worth getting here or should I go back to sleep and check on the next generation? I stopped paying attention when I got a 3080 before the worst of the shortages and scalping.
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Video overview of RTX Remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg52-HZhrFc
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Kraftwerk posted:So I see the RTX 4000 series cards have been announced. As a 3080 owner from launch day, is there anything worth getting here or should I go back to sleep and check on the next generation? I stopped paying attention when I got a 3080 before the worst of the shortages and scalping. absolutely not
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Kraftwerk posted:So I see the RTX 4000 series cards have been announced. As a 3080 owner from launch day, is there anything worth getting here or should I go back to sleep and check on the next generation? I stopped paying attention when I got a 3080 before the worst of the shortages and scalping. Unless your pushing for 4k 120fps via DLSS 3 and are okay dropping over a thousand dollars you can go back to sleep.
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Going through steam looking at games I own that support dx9, funnily most also use dx11 so to make them look better you would load up the weaker renderer. Stand outs from the list that I would love to mess with: GTA4 - mostly everyday enviroment means the ai will probably ace it on it's own for material replacement. FEAR Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Burnout Paradise Mass Effect, You can't make me buy the Legendary edition, I'll make my own legendary edition Beyond Good and Evil Mirror's Edge Batman Arkham City PAYDAY 2 METAL GEAR RISING: REVENGEANCE
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