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One wild-card in the whole 'Ukraine should get ATACMS' debate - America isn't the only country that has them.
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Baconroll posted:One wild-card in the whole 'Ukraine should get ATACMS' debate - America isn't the only country that has them. That could be a scant supply of missiles, since they're only made here and the DoD could presumably say "oh you want more? Tough luck" when country X comes by looking to replenish their stocks after giving them away.
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Sep 21, 2022 06:57
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Comedy option: secret Ukrainian Orion Drive nuclear weapon that drops a conventional kinetic penetrator, and nothing else. Maybe a toilet.
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Sep 21, 2022 07:14
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Putin just gave his address: Partial mobilization, of reserves and former military persons. Called Ukraine "novarossisk" Referendums to be annexed by Russia will go through in Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk, a few others. The torture reports are real but done by Ukraine. Ukraine is blackmailing Russia with the ZNPP.
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Sep 21, 2022 07:30
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Wombot posted:Putin just gave his address: I'm doing my part
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Sep 21, 2022 07:43
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm doing my part In getting pink misted synced to the Benny hill theme.
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Sep 21, 2022 07:47
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 Partial mobilization Now let's see who's going to train them, and what they're going to be equipped with.
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Sep 21, 2022 08:10
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Xakura posted:
Its partial mobilisation because thats the part they're not doing.
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Xakura posted:
Per the latest ISW update: quote:Russian forces continue to degrade their force generation capabilities by cannibalizing training elements to fight in combat formations in Ukraine. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the Russian military is forming four new infantry battalions at the base of the Russian 36th Motorized Rifle Brigade (29th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) in Borzya in Zabaykalsky Krai and that the Russian military is pulling faculty from the Russian Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School to serve as officers in these battalions.[44] The Russian military‘s continued stripping of Russian training units and service academies of personnel will further impede its ability to train new conscripts and replacements.[45]
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Sep 21, 2022 08:18
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Steezo posted:Comedy option: secret Ukrainian Orion Drive nuclear weapon that drops a conventional kinetic penetrator, and nothing else. Maybe a toilet. Just fill washing machines with cobalt 60 and trebuchet them over the border.
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Fortunately for everyone Zelensky's government is smart, and knows the easiest path to nuclear security is by furthering ties to NATO and the nuclear armed western powers, not starting a Manhattan Projeski that would sap valuable industrial resources and give Russia an excuse to nuke them without reprisal. If Russia goes nuclear I would like to think that the US and NATO would, at a minimum conduct a full blockade of Russia, to include destroying any assets out of their territorial waters or airspace, as well as providing direct air and LACM support in the conflict in Ukraine, but I'm hoping I don't find out. Full Clancy option: Russia launches strategic nuclear weapons at Ukraine that are intercepted by land-based AEGIS from Poland. In retaliation a wolf pack of US submarines sink the entire Northern Fleet and Tomahawk every Naval installation on the white sea. Simultaneously the 82nd Airborne and half the USMC make landfall in Sevastopol and drive the Russians out of Ukraine with a firm warning not to come back
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Sep 21, 2022 11:03
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Carth Dookie posted:Just fill washing machines with cobalt 60 and
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Sep 21, 2022 11:15
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With any luck, Putin will shoot himself in the back of the head eighteen times then fall out of a window into the trunk of a car.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:18
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Xakura posted:
Are you forgetting they have Steven Segal?
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Sep 21, 2022 12:58
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Ah yes, to train you to poo poo your pants when confronted
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Sep 21, 2022 13:03
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Throwing untrained reservists or old vets that haven't even probably ran in years into planes, tanks and infantry units didn't help Germany in '45 and won't help Putin now.
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BadOptics posted:Throwing untrained reservists or old vets that haven't even probably ran in years into planes, tanks and infantry units didn't help Germany in '45 and won't help Putin now. Yup. Even better, he's probably going to drain a lot of the workforce that is needed to enact his other plan to step up production of weapons and ammo.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:57
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Fingers crossed, the more desperate he gets the more likely the window option is. He knows it, we know it, his buddies know it.
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M_Gargantua posted:Fingers crossed, the more desperate he gets the more likely the window option is. He knows it, we know it, his buddies know it. I mean, yeah, that's why everybody else is going out the window this year. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1572547984386322432?s=20&t=ow6nXGDofaH1GGQMKMwm8Q CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Sep 21, 2022 14:03
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Putin's nuclear threats are meant to get the US and UK to negotiate with him on Ukraine's behalf. Zelensky is not a nuclear head of state, so obviously Washington and London shouldn't leave MAD in his hands. Putin truly believes that the US and UK operate hand-in-glove with respect to Kyiv. That was evident in February when he wanted to negotiate with them more than with Ukraine. So he may think that his way out is to shock the US and UK into talks. Washington has its own blind spots. The State Dept is supposed to be the voice of diplomacy. It's their job to have staff who can take an understanding approach to any foreign power, even pariahs, and put diplomatic options on the president's menu. A while back War on the Rocks (I think?) had a State Dept senior councilor on the show to discuss Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the guy was super disinterested in Russia as an actor. He was completely preoccupied with showing how tough State could be. The guy was, obviously, morally right, but also failing at his job, which is not to show that diplomats can be meatheads too. World powers do want to avoid war, and ruling classes want to avoid ruin, but blind spots like these make it possible for miscalculations to pile on top of miscalculations, potentially resulting in most of us getting fried.
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Sep 21, 2022 14:19
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yurtcradled posted:World powers do want to avoid war, and ruling classes want to avoid ruin, but blind spots like these make it possible for miscalculations to pile on top of miscalculations, potentially resulting in most of us getting fried. Putin isn't going to use nuclear weapons over Ukraine. He's used this threat repeatedly and its the same bluff as always. The message has been clear, he has to negotiate with Ukraine, and Ukraine wants him out of the occupied territories and will accept nothing else.
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Sep 21, 2022 14:21
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CommieGIR posted:They intend to: They don't have the tires to move them there.
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CainFortea posted:They don't have the tires to move them there. Spintires lied to me!
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Sep 21, 2022 14:30
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He threatened to use "military technical means" to prevent Finland and Sweden from joining NATO, and yet here we are.
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Sep 21, 2022 14:33
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psydude posted:He threatened to use "military technical means" to prevent Finland and Sweden from joining NATO, and yet here we are. Does that mean a dshk on a lada?
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Sep 21, 2022 14:38
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A.o.D. posted:Does that mean a dshk on a lada? That or more Hard bass.
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Is "bribing Orban and Erdogan to vote no on Sweden and Finland" military-technical?
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The X-man cometh posted:Is "bribing Orban and Erdogan to vote no on Sweden and Finland" military-technical? Technically mno
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Sep 21, 2022 14:58
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As a Brit it's pretty hilarious that Putin is wanting to negotiate with "US and UK" as if the UK is anywhere near as important as the states. Don't get me wrong I'm pleased with our response to date, but it seems daft. Putin seems to have a really inflated opinion of the UKs importance.
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The X-man cometh posted:Is "bribing Orban and Erdogan to vote no on Sweden and Finland" military-technical? Yeah but it's kind of on the extreme end of the alignment chart 
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Roblo posted:As a Brit it's pretty hilarious that Putin is wanting to negotiate with "US and UK" as if the UK is anywhere near as important as the states. Probably it’s because they’ve had a lot more success infiltrating the British decision making process and hope to use the UK to assist with Russian desired outcomes
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Or they think the UK is America's poodle and so treat both of them as a package deal.
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Roblo posted:As a Brit it's pretty hilarious that Putin is wanting to negotiate with "US and UK" as if the UK is anywhere near as important as the states. Don't sell yourselves short. Other than the Czechs, the Poles, and the Baltic states, all of whom have a personal grudge, y'all have been more weight in this than anyone else in Europe. As for Putin, I think any declaration of what he wont do is premature. At every opportunity during his reign, he's chosen to escalate. He's doing it now, and there's no rational indication that he'll stop any time soon. This is only going to get more dangerous the longer this continues and he's in charge.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:As much as I don't want to see this war escalate to Russia using tacnukes, if it does, the world will not end, it'll just get way more dangerous and tense. The entire Indian subcontinent could go up in ashes and the incidence of cancers in North America might rise in the single digit percentages over the next two decades. Yes, there'd be agricultural effects, but, as usual, they'd gently caress the poor and third world over way more than "us." yurtcradled posted:The State Dept is supposed to be the voice of diplomacy. It's their job to have staff who can take an understanding approach to any foreign power, even pariahs, and put diplomatic options on the president's menu. A while back War on the Rocks (I think?) had a State Dept senior councilor on the show to discuss Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the guy was super disinterested in Russia as an actor. He was completely preoccupied with showing how tough State could be. The guy was, obviously, morally right, but also failing at his job, which is not to show that diplomats can be meatheads too.
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I know the info isn’t available but would be fascinating to know how barebones every non-Ukraine war Russian deployment is at the moment, especially if it’s true they are sending nuke missile specialists in as infantry. Wonder if they’ve considered docking navy ships and having crews redeploy as infantry.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I know the info isn’t available but would be fascinating to know how barebones every non-Ukraine war Russian deployment is at the moment, especially if it’s true they are sending nuke missile specialists in as infantry. Wonder if they’ve considered docking navy ships and having crews redeploy as infantry. There was already a couple Naval Aviation troops killed or found in Ukraine. And their Naval Infantry is already deployed there and a brigade got wiped out.
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https://twitter.com/markrid89403375/status/1572617285466222592?s=46&t=h4lMBYTJL31VXMSXFsyhGQ That doesn’t strike me as a sound way to transport bombs. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Are the nuke soldiers actual nuke-touchers or just the security guards for nuclear bases?
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Joke Miriam posted:Are the nuke soldiers actual nuke-touchers or just the security guards for nuclear bases? Road based mobile launcher drivers and crews.
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