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Detective No. 27 posted:Did anyone ever like the Kazon? Even among people who love Voyager, I don't think I've heard anyone say a good thing about the drat Kazon. Ehhh, the original concept had a few possibilities ("rival street gangs in space"), but they came off as a crappy knockoff version of Klingons, and they never really came into their own. Even the writers soon realized they'd blown it: Jeri Taylor, 1996 posted:The Kazon have never been particularly interesting as adversaries, and we just did them and did them and did them and did them. It created the curious implication that we are standing still in space, when our franchise is that we are going at incredible speeds toward the Alpha Quadrant – we keep running into the same people over and over again! It was just an oddity, and I don't think the Kazon have served us well. And [...] it is my intention to leave them behind and to find new and I hope more interesting aliens. Source
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I like Seska and how she had to make increasingly poor decisions that got her involved way too deep with the Kazon, and how she took their incredibly patriarchal anti-woman society and was basically running it within a month.
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Powered Descent posted:Ehhh, the original concept had a few possibilities ("rival street gangs in space"), but they came off as a crappy knockoff version of Klingons, and they never really came into their own. Even the writers soon realized they'd blown it: Like everything else in Voyager, the Kazon ran headfirst into the tension between doing something interesting and still being able to write bog-standard TNG episodes. Low-tech, lovely, rival space gangs could have had some cool possibilities, but not as generic adversaries. Instead of sticking with the idea that Voyager wildly outclassed these dudes and writing to that fact, the writers just kept coming up with increasingly stupid ways for Voyager to get its rear end kicked by the dumbest species in the quadrant.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:11
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They should have just let Tom Paris leave Voyager
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Sep 21, 2022 04:20
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Kill Tom Paris and immediately replace him with Nick Locarno next episode. No one acknowledges.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:23
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So I guess for this episode Neelix has been doing a morning show and now considers himself a reporter and is now investigating secret signals. Neelix, the cook. He's investigating things.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:39
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he's the morale officer
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Hollismason posted:They should have just let Tom Paris leave Voyager He did and that's how we ended up with space slug babies
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Sep 21, 2022 05:10
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I hate this so goddamn much
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Sep 21, 2022 05:18
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Just imagine the Voyager series where all scifi TV wasn't run by idiots and cowards. Like imagine Voyager but with Farscape's production team.
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jeeves posted:Should be Sisko TBH Should be Sisko's dad, who only got with his wife because she was being brain controlled by extradimensional aliens and she immediately left him after they released control.
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Sep 21, 2022 05:58
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I feel seen.
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Paradoxish posted:Like everything else in Voyager, the Kazon ran headfirst into the tension between doing something interesting and still being able to write bog-standard TNG episodes. I just looked them up on Memory Alpha again just to see what sort of ships they got to use and  ...
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Hollismason posted:So I guess for this episode Neelix has been doing a morning show and now considers himself a reporter and is now investigating secret signals. Neelix, the cook. He's investigating things. I'd rather watch Krytie TV
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Neelix as Alex Jones The DEMONS running this ship are trying to silence me people! You think this *shows photo* you think that's Janeway? You are LYING to yourself, that's a liquid metal clone. *balls fists, roars into the ceiling*
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I like Seska and how she had to make increasingly poor decisions that got her involved way too deep with the Kazon, and how she took their incredibly patriarchal anti-woman society and was basically running it within a month. Seska’s a bright spot on this show. I forgot how quickly things ramped up with her. This is my first rewatch of the show so in my mind I was thinking she was on the show much longer before her heel turn/reveal.
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Voyager had to be (kind of) bad so that DS9 could be good.
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Garak would be astonished at how much more effective an interrogator Neelix is than himself. Five minutes alone with Neelix and you’ll be giving away all your military’s top secret information just to make him stop.
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Sep 21, 2022 17:53
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No no, commander. Just one more bowl of leola root to finish and then we can be done with all of this.
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Certainly was a long day in the kitchen. I'ma just pop these shoes and socks off. Hope you don't mind a little... Talaxian foot odor.
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From this moment you will enjoy no privilege of rank or person. You will be known only as "friend"
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Powered Descent posted:Ehhh, the original concept had a few possibilities ("rival street gangs in space"), but they came off as a crappy knockoff version of Klingons, and they never really came into their own. Even the writers soon realized they'd blown it: Most to all of Voyager's issues are solved by one more pass and this is also one. Want to use the Kazon? Well stretch them out geographically. Turns out that there's some warp anomaly (make it related to the Caretaker's Array doing something between other, similar arrays?). This optimized path home makes it, like, a 20 or 30 year trip. But, the expressway has Kazon strung along it because they can travel faster along it. They're highwaymen now and they shake down everyone that's trying to use the route.
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It's weird that there's like defined Borg space in the DQ, why haven't they taken over the whole quadrant yet, it's not like there are any badass empires over there
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Why would they care about territory? I always took "Borg space" to mean areas where the Borg are known to be active so if you know what's good for you, you stay far away from there.
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Sash! posted:Most to all of Voyager's issues are solved by one more pass and this is also one. Another angle, the Caretakers are an emipre falling apart and the Kazon are the remnants of their imperialism. I mean, Voyager had some interesting recurring villians that they never could get quite right. I think the Viidians were good and the Hirogen had their moments. They never just went to think them through more.
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Grand Fromage posted:Why would they care about territory? Well I don't mean borders, I just mean I would assume all territory in the DQ would belong to the Borg as a consequence of, you know, the way they are. Like who is opposing them besides Species 8472, and I don't think that war had been going on very long anyway Mooseontheloose posted:Another angle, the Caretakers are an emipre falling apart and the Kazon are the remnants of their imperialism. The Vidians were good, though their makeup was so well done that they were hard to look at. But yeah, creepy body horror guys is fairly fresh for Star Trek. Then there's the episode with Charlie Rocket, you know the one where the only difference between his species and humans is that they carry around ancestral space herpes that makes you down bad for 3 weeks if you catch it.
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The Borg completely ignore you unless you're a threat to them or interesting enough to assimilate, so by implication everyone surviving in the Delta Quadrant is too stupid to be worth assimilating.  But really, space is big and we have no idea how long the Borg have been around. A few centuries isn't all that much time given the scale of space. There's also never been an implication they're interested in conquest as a goal in and of itself.
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Borg space is shark-infested waters
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Its the territorial equivalent of how they let you wander around their ships
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I’m on Threshold. Also got me thinking about how the entire concept of the Spore Drive trivializes the entire premise of Voyager.
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davidspackage posted:Neelix as Alex Jones "I have the PADDs, folks. I have seen the Cardassian optolythic data rods, folks."
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Mooseontheloose posted:Another angle, the Caretakers are an emipre falling apart and the Kazon are the remnants of their imperialism. Wasn't this already their deal? Not the Caretakers, but some other rear end in a top hat species that had them enslaved and then got overthrown? Interesting concepts don't work if your writers suck and don't use them.
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Yeah, the "Trabe" which sounds dirty to me for some reason
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Just testing the movie making features of my new phone. https://twitter.com/tomenheimer/status/1572713608236404739
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davidspackage posted:Neelix as Alex Jones tell me there isn't a voyager episode where the crew lose their memories after eating a big bowl of neelix chili
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One of the few good things that Voyager did with the Borg is showing that they're busy working on a bunch of crazy projects. The Borg aren't interested in assimilating Neelix because they're busy working on their space superhighway network, or invading subspace domains, or inventing a new kind of atom so cool that it kills if you look at it. The Borg have unlocked sandbox mode.
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remember when Data and Geordi got bored and attached a random alien doohicky to the warp core and the only thing it did was shoot Data
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Grand Fromage posted:The Borg completely ignore you unless you're a threat to them or interesting enough to assimilate, so by implication everyone surviving in the Delta Quadrant is too stupid to be worth assimilating.
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Arglebargle III posted:remember when Data and Geordi got bored and attached a random alien doohicky to the warp core and the only thing it did was shoot Data I can't tell if that's a real thing that happened in TNG described poorly or if you're just making poo poo up.
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