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Annointed posted:I'm not seeing why limiting gambling is bad? Well that's the problem, a good portion of what's going on isn't limited in an effective way, as the Munecat video posted earlier goes into.
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Sep 21, 2022 07:54
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horse tracks are also very cool, i love watchin the ponies race
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Sep 21, 2022 07:56
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Annointed posted:I'm not seeing why limiting gambling is bad? its good actually but the scope of this is so limited that its silly and clearly targeted toward bandaging over streamer relations. they should ban gambling because....its trashy and stupid lol. let some other site host it. twitch is interested in cultivating an audience comprised of the most people possible instead of maintaining any kind of standard
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Sep 21, 2022 07:57
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you should be forced to go to a website called POKERDUKES.COM for gambling streams and it should have its own nascarPigbuster posted:It actually isn't that hard at all. You can just buy it on the gambling site itself with fiat money, no problem. you do actually have to do identity verification, as per the link you posted. which usually means providing a photo i.d.
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Sep 21, 2022 08:00
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fun hater posted:i dont know how to tell you this, but all gambling is rigged in favor of the house. you would literally have to be the dumbest idiot in the world to think you can get money for nothing.
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Sep 21, 2022 08:17
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Ghostlight posted:i don't know what to tell you other than donald trump was the 45th president of the united states hold on a minute e: i just checked this and its true wtf
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Sep 21, 2022 08:19
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fun hater posted:the idea of a child sitting down to watch a slot machine stream is extremely funny like what would they even get out of it except the euphoria of bright lights and flashing colors. Guess how Slot Machines are precisely engineered to trigger a dopamine response and addiction? They're built on randomess and the excitement of if this roll will be The One, and you don't need to be the one pulling that lever if you're excited to see [Favourite Twitch Streamer] succeed via parasocial relationship.
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Sep 21, 2022 08:33
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The last week on Twitch, and hell -- big streamer Twitch in general -- has been absolutely insane. I mean, the literal hundreds of thousands of dollars that Sliker finessed from his peers and his audience is one thing. Then you've got the allegations of covering up sexual assault that were basically used as a GOTCHA when folks like Mizkif and Pokimane made their moves against gambling (that and Ice Poseidon releasing some pretty edgy DM's that Mizkif sent him back when he was Ice's cameraman)...I mean, there's no doubt that Mizkif excused and said some pretty awful poo poo with regards to that, but Hasan made the pretty salient point that if you're someone like xQc/Train, and you know about all of this, yet you're basically just holding onto it as some sort of nuke to fire when poo poo hits the fan, it's kinda clear that you don't care and you're just as much of a scumbag, if not more. On top of all that you've had xQc (AGAIN - he's kind of a constant in just about any drama on the platform) and his ex-girlfriend Adept essentially streaming their breakup to over 10,000 viewers, the guy accused of sexual assault going missing (he's been found now), other streamers kinda having mental breakdowns live over the whole thing...it's a real clusterfuck. Hard to follow it all. As far as the ban on slots goes, I'm a little surprised to see how quickly Twitch made a move as soon as the threat came from the likes of Mizkif and Pokimane to go dark in protest of it. I know that Miz has been pretty well anti-slots for some time now but it's the first time that those guys made a move like that, and it appears to have worked. One wonders what might have happened if they'd made a bit more of a move around the time all the hate raids and so on were happening, but hey-ho. The big likes of xQc and Train who stream slots will probably end up being fine, of course. It's kinda fun to try and keep up with all of this, as someone who's pretty satisfied with their lot on the platform and would never really want to get to that level. I mean, there's always a bit more of a disconnect with drama on YouTube whereas here it's all live, big calls are going on right now and you can see the knives being twisted into people's backs as all these ragtag groups of huge streamers and streamer houses/communities and so on who all like to collab yet probably secretly hate the gently caress out of each other try and endlessly fail to coexist, and inevitably Hasan gets roped into it all even when he's scarcely involved. All the while you have the rather inconsistent policing of Twitch itself hanging heavy over things -- the sort of moderation that bans one person for a month just for having a bit of jokingly aggressive banter with a regular in their community, but then only bans another person for a week when they were quite literally getting hosed on a stream. It's a huge loving mess.
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Sep 21, 2022 09:36
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On lighter news, Jamie Sterling has joined the Vampire Survivors dev team! https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1572504323476848643
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Sep 21, 2022 09:59
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Gambling is fine if you have disposable money and also go into it with the proper mindset, but unfortunately for the vast majority of people who partake they both don't have the money to reasonably do so and end up ensnared in an utterly addictive lifestyle that can very easily destroy their livelihood. Somebody who budgets a couple hundo for a day at the racetrack hoping to win but expecting to lose is very, very, very different than somebody who bets everything they have at the races needing to win.Declaring that people who've fallen into scams like gambling and become destitute as a result were just stupid and deserve their fate for being such is callous and disgusting. Might as well start trying to pontificate about how homeless people got that way because they're lazy, immoral drug addicts. Humans love vice intrinsically. We've wanted to gently caress, drink, smoke, and gamble pretty much as far back as our recorded history goes. This is why excessive sin tax or outright sin bans are insanely dumb and always end up creating a black market for those things. But limits are not the same as bans, and making institutionalized gambling harder to engage in without actively seeking it out is not a bad thing and drives down the rate of those who engage when they're otherwise unable to, in the same way that legal barriers to smoking and drinking help drive down those activities as well. Particularly for minors, where it's been demonstrated time and again that drinking/smoking/gambling before as a child drastically increases the chances of you performing those activities at an unhealthy level in adulthood.
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Sep 21, 2022 10:19
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fun hater posted:you do actually have to do identity verification, as per the link you posted. which usually means providing a photo i.d. Correct, but you only need photo ID for level 2 verification. You can start gambling with merely a Level 1 verification, which going by their KYC policy is evidently just name+address+phone information that an AI authenticates, and I found plenty of reddit posts that show people get around that by just entering in bullshit that matches their VPN's IP. It steps up to level 2 verification when you deposit/withdraw over a threshold, and then of course if you're VPNing from a forbidden country your account gets closed and there goes your winnings. It seems like they used to be a lot looser with KYC, too, and they stepped it up over the past year, which must have been real fun for any fools that sunk their savings into it. Honestly I don't worry that much about kids using these sites; less because they can't but more because they have better poo poo to do, lol. It's adults throwing their paychecks away on this poo poo that get my sympathy. A bus stop I used to use regularly would constantly have furiously torn up scratch tickets scattered on the ground and that really left an impression on me.
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Sep 21, 2022 10:28
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children are not watching slot machine streams for the contact high lol. come on now. Sydin posted:Gambling is fine if you have disposable money and also go into it with the proper mindset, but unfortunately for the vast majority of people who partake they both don't have the money to reasonably do so and end up ensnared in an utterly addictive lifestyle that can very easily destroy their livelihood. this is the silliest poo poo ive ever read. you cant possibly believe this lol. the vast majority???? quote:Declaring that people who've fallen into scams like gambling and become destitute as a result were just stupid and deserve their fate for being such is callous and disgusting. Might as well start trying to pontificate about how homeless people got that way because they're lazy, immoral drug addicts. gambling isnt an open manhole you "fall into", its predicated entirely on the idea that you think youre smarter than the house and think you can beat it. or that you think you can beat "random" odds. you have to buy into some stupid poo poo to start gambling. idk what universe you guys are coming from w your comparisons. do you really think homelessness and gambling are the same. how. quote:Particularly for minors, where it's been demonstrated time and again that drinking/smoking/gambling before as a child drastically increases the chances of you performing those activities at an unhealthy level in adulthood. okay. but children are not doing crypto gambling and getting addicted lol. people are talking about the physical existence of items in the home that facilitate these behaviors and their accessibility/acceptablity. this is not a problem that involves children and i would be wary of falling for further stupid campaigns based in child safety given they usually have obvious ulterior motives. even motives as stupid as "i got my ego hurt and want revenge" Pigbuster posted:Correct, but you only need photo ID for level 2 verification. You can start gambling with merely a Level 1 verification, which going by their KYC policy is evidently just name+address+phone information that an AI authenticates, and I found plenty of reddit posts that show people get around that by just entering in bullshit that matches their VPN's IP. It steps up to level 2 verification when you deposit/withdraw over a threshold, and then of course if you're VPNing from a forbidden country your account gets closed and there goes your winnings. It seems like they used to be a lot looser with KYC, too, and they stepped it up over the past year, which must have been real fun for any fools that sunk their savings into it. i do not think children are committing federal levels of fraud to play slot machines with their parents (?) money quote:. It's adults throwing their paychecks away on this poo poo that get my sympathy yeah, we all want to be rich quick. throwing money into the biggest most obvious pit will not achieve this. we have literally thousand of years of human history and cautionary tales to pull from about gambling. idk what more people need except to be reminded often they are not the protagonists of reality and will not win on the basis of their existence being different
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Sep 21, 2022 10:52
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but also at the same time keep gambling your money away in nevada! for the children's education money!
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Sep 21, 2022 10:59
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Goddamn you are just the most tedious person imaginable. Even if this is all a bit it's a really bad one.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:08
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It took me a while, despite being a daily twitch watcher, that gambling streams were actual legit ones until when I was hearing someone covering some game news on twitch bemoaning on how one of the people he looked up to when starting his streaming career did this constantly. And then I put two and two together and remembered that the weird "You can win $***.*** on this!!" notifications were coming from that guy he admired.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:09
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fun hater posted:gambling isnt an open manhole you "fall into", its predicated entirely on the idea that you think youre smarter than the house and think you can beat it. or that you think you can beat "random" odds. you have to buy into some stupid poo poo to start gambling. Imagine claiming you grew up anywhere near the vicinity of Las Vegas and trying to argue that gambling addiction is a personal failing of gambler, and not the result of a predatory industry built entirely on the back of exploiting human psychology. Honest question: how loving stupid are you? Because you seem really loving stupid.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:12
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i would simply not become an addict 
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Sep 21, 2022 11:17
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Sydin posted:Imagine claiming you grew up anywhere near the vicinity of Las Vegas i grew up near reno actually :p its where you go when you cant afford vegas quote:not the result of a predatory industry built entirely on the back of exploiting human psychology. this describes 99% of modern industry. this describes advertising. this describes streaming that is based entirely on pretending like youre the audiences friend and you need them to send you 500 dollars right now or youll die on camera from wasting disease. casinos aren't any different, they are just naked about their ambitions. hence my lack of sympathy lol. you go into a building called "we will steal your money" and then get confused and mad when your money gets stolen Andrast posted:i would simply not become an addict i mean. literally tho. i grew up surrounded by gambling, yet i dont gamble. i simply chose not to lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 21, 2022 11:20
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fun hater posted:i mean. literally tho. i grew up surrounded by gambling, yet i dont gamble. i simply chose not to lol and all the people with depression should just be happy instead, it's so simple
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Sep 21, 2022 11:22
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Andrast posted:and all the people with depression should just be happy instead, it's so simple you can get addicted to a certain kind of sadness
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Sep 21, 2022 11:25
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Addicted? Just stop doing whatever you're addicted to then, stupid! It's so simple!! 
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Sep 21, 2022 11:25
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fun hater posted:i mean. literally tho. i grew up surrounded by gambling, yet i dont gamble. i simply chose not to lol good for you
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Sep 21, 2022 11:35
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Metis of the Hallway posted:good for you it was really easy
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Sep 21, 2022 11:37
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fun hater posted:it was really easy That's how I feel when I see other people getting into interminable arguments on the internet. I just think, why do that? It's not fun.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:41
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im having a good time i forgot to mention but my opinion is heavily colored by the fact that i had friends who worked blackjack tables at (local casino) and they all quit bc they would have to be rotated off the floor constantly after the ppl at the table would threaten to kill them lol
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Sep 21, 2022 11:44
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remembering fondly how fun hater blamed other people for this thread's low rating.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:45
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fun hater posted:im having a good time Murderville!
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Sep 21, 2022 11:46
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^^^ gently caress!! you were right!!Ghostlight posted:remembering fondly how fun hater blamed other people for this thread's low rating. i dont think i did that. im doing my part
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Sep 21, 2022 11:47
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I mean you were told to stop posting in this thread by a mod
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Sep 21, 2022 11:52
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Scholtz posted:I mean you were told to stop posting in this thread by a mod i had a little chat with moderation bc it was a very out of pocket call. unfortunately you continue to be haunted by a local crank
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Sep 21, 2022 11:55
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That call is seeming more in pocket with each of your posts. Also, haunted? Lmao get over yourself.
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Sep 21, 2022 11:59
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Guy who bursts into tears at Robert Patricks plotline in the Sopranos
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Sep 21, 2022 12:07
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fun hater posted:
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Sep 21, 2022 12:15
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As a feeble attempt to steer the thread from whatever you are doing, here are a couple videos about that show I knew existed from back then... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlXMioq7NZY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz55z2-UdRQ The english dub is hilariously bad.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:19
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i dont think thats blaming.cugel posted:As a feeble attempt to steer the thread from whatever you are doing, here are a couple videos about that show I knew existed from back then... oh yeah i forgot to watch these to find out what this show even was ty
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Sep 21, 2022 12:20
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Ghostlight posted:so much for taking only photographs Its like in pokemon snap where you throw bait at certain pokemon to get better pictures of them fun hater posted:i dont think thats blaming. French anime Alaois fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Sep 21, 2022 12:23
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fun hater posted:it was really easy Have you considered the possibility that this and the fact that you aren't addicted to gambling are related? Like it might be harder for some people and that's why they're addicts? You're pretty obviously a hardcore "personal responsibility" type and your posts have me wondering if it's literally just because you don't understand cause and effect beyond a person's direct actions.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:27
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Dire Lemming posted:Have you considered the possibility that this and the fact that you aren't addicted to gambling are related? Like it might be harder for some people and that's why they're addicts? You're pretty obviously a hardcore "personal responsibility" type and your posts have me wondering if it's literally just because you don't understand cause and effect beyond a person's direct actions. well, full confession: i come from a family of multi-generational alcoholics on both sides who gave me the genetic gift of pre-loaded substance abuse. the psychology and mechanics of why people turn toward specifically drug and alcohol addiction are something ive done a lot of looking into just to try to figure out whats wrong with me/them. however: i have an extremely difficult time conceptualizing the motivations behind gambling addiction that are not mired first and foremost in a personal desire to get rich quick in spite of all common sense and wisdom. i can understand the mechanics of why pulling the arm on the slot feels good to your brain. but the underlying initial psychological driving force (as i understand it) is rarely, if ever, financial desperation. im talking addiction, not the occasional scratch off "gently caress it, what do i have to lose" desperation levels that come with have an entertainment budget of 5 bucks. at least you can win a couple hundo on those within reasonable odds. i mean. you can, arguably.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:42
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speaking of twitch changes, they've decided streamers get less money now https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1572554332494790658
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Sep 21, 2022 12:54
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repiv posted:speaking of twitch changes, they've decided streamers get less money now wtf
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Sep 21, 2022 12:56
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