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Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

Al-Saqr posted:

Saudi Arabia in 2016:- “haha we’ll beat those mountain villiager houthis in a month they don’t stand a chance!”

the houthis in 2022:-

https://twitter.com/oamaz7/status/1570867944938414082?s=46&t=EgCPGDecYXR9KAFdASw1yg

lol

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Houthis were able to form a completely new service branch just for guided missiles. One of the world's greatest underdog stories.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1571896421716033536

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

https://twitter.com/IntellecFront/status/1571988841149468673?s=20&t=s24XLGFyhvM0K_lr-32qpQ

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1571497365198209026

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1572231611369852928?t=T-yEIeiEsRFCZoeZJQsw_Q&s=19

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

This isn't one of those kind of mass protests that people can blame on foreign meddling. Everybody fuckin hates the morality police.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

This isn't one of those kind of mass protests that people can blame on foreign meddling. Everybody fuckin hates the morality police.

The extent of the protests is wild. I guess this is also a release of the rage from some of the covid decisions the government has made? Either way it's 100% organic and lol at the US and CO trying to do regime change spins on it.

https://twitter.com/still_oppressed/status/1572329418558967809?cxt=HHwWgsDU8dHRhNIrAAAA

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

quote:

US President Joe Biden on Wednesday declared support for a growing protest movement that has erupted across Iran in a move that experts noted marked a shift from then-president Barack Obama's response during demonstrations in 2009.

His comments came as violent rallies stretched into a fifth day in cities across Iran, reportedly resulting in the deaths of at least eight protesters, as anger over the death of a woman in morality police custody escalates.

“Today we stand with the brave citizens and women in Iran who right now are demonstrating to secure their basic rights,” Mr Biden said in his address to the UN General Assembly.

The protests began after the death on Friday of Mahsa Amini, 22, whom Iran's morality police had arrested three days earlier for allegedly breaking the country's strict hijab law. Amini, who was from Iran's Kurdistan province, fell into a coma after her arrest.

Protesting women have publicly burnt their hijabs and cut their hair in front of cheering crowds. Some have even chanted “death to the dictator”.

Mr Biden's words of support mark a shift in tactics from when he was Mr Obama's vice president. At that time, and in response to Green Movement popular protests, Mr Biden and his boss kept quiet for more than a week when it came to supporting the demonstrators.

huge shift in policy. we're entering the fray on day five instead of day nine or w/e

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Iranian protests are an annual/semi-annual rinse-repeat cycle. Arbitrary morality crack down (dogs, head scarfs, music, haircuts) > collateral > protest > brutal protest crackdown > resumption of daily affairs with the reminder that people have 0 power in getting more civil liberties.

Other protests are better tolerated (economic, changes in subsidies) as far as i've seen, probably because it brings out a more working-class crowd that falls squarely within the govt constituency.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

drat look at all these protests in iran i am now more convinced than ever that they are a totalitarian regime that suppresses all dissent

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Some Guy TT posted:

drat look at all these protests in iran i am now more convinced than ever that they are a totalitarian regime that suppresses all dissent

I suspect they'd like to suppress this dissent, but are a bit understaffed for it

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
I see some people calling what is happening in Iran the beginning of a colour revolution. While I do worry about American/Western influence, it cannot be understated how much the people in Iran hate the government. Every single one of those mullahs and basajis deserve to die. Also, these protest have a level of anger and escalation that was not there in 2009. I really hope they do manage to overthrow them and my parents can visit again.

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1572906370071990277

https://twitter.com/VoiceofSAz/status/1572702277798096896

https://twitter.com/ErshadAlijani/status/1572320104200966144

https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1572635042903621632

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Americans wishing for a government to collapse because corrupt cops beat an innocent person to death :ironicat:

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
wow iran loving up the cops good and proper. maybe don't threaten to taze people when your outnumbered 50 to 1 lol owned

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

the US trying to support legitimate social unrest cab be the kiss of death. once the iranian government can credibly say “this is meddling by western powers” it really does not do protest movements any favors

instantrunoffvote
Jul 23, 2007

Mans posted:

Americans wishing for a government to collapse because corrupt cops beat an innocent person to death :ironicat:

Let's be fair, most of us also wish the American government would collapse.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



someone take the cool zone tag but update the text


منطقة رائعة

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

THS2 posted:

the US trying to support legitimate social unrest cab be the kiss of death. once the iranian government can credibly say “this is meddling by western powers” it really does not do protest movements any favors

Any protest small enough to be squashed by saying Americans did it was being tolerated to begin with. If they were genuinely pulling out all the stops and it wasn't enough I can't imagine saying Bidet was behind it would sway anyone that mattered.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928518350114816?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928523672715266?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928531713372160?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

she wore headscarves all the time while doing on location reporting in the Middle East, and now she’s getting props for a political grandstand for a movement she contributes nothing to.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928518350114816?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928523672715266?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1572928531713372160?s=46&t=T9Zr1IEU43X0hvprxzTKDg

she wore headscarves all the time while doing on location reporting in the Middle East, and now she’s getting props for a political grandstand for a movement she contributes nothing to.

she's mi6 lol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

That last pic has extreme Clint Eastwood at the GOP convention energy

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That last pic has extreme Clint Eastwood at the GOP convention energy



That's Elijah's chair, OP.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

she wore headscarves all the time while doing on location reporting in the Middle East, and now she’s getting props for a political grandstand for a movement she contributes nothing to.

Wearing one in the Middle East vs wearing one in New York feels like a reasonable distinction to me. I don't like Amanpour either, but she's right to tell Raisi to go gently caress himself.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Excited for the reddit posts about Iranian women during the shah to pop up everywhere. 👍

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Dr Kool-AIDS posted:

Wearing one in the Middle East vs wearing one in New York feels like a reasonable distinction to me. I don't like Amanpour either, but she's right to tell Raisi to go gently caress himself.

Do women not wear headscarves in New York?

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Death By The Blues posted:

I really hope they do manage to overthrow them and my parents can visit again.

your parents won’t be able to because of the ensuing civil war. But yeah the hundreds of thousands dead and years of turmoil would be worth your parents visiting again.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Do women not wear headscarves in New York?

It's not compulsory in New York. You really don't have to concern troll in favor of every reactionary leader in the world.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.


It was either ahmadinejad or khatami who demanded that a state dinner with Chirac in Paris have no wine. laughable request got the predictable response and the dinner was canceled

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Dr Kool-AIDS posted:

It's not compulsory in New York. You really don't have to concern troll in favor of every reactionary leader in the world.

Thats not what I am doing but thanks for admitting you're a honky.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

she wore headscarves all the time while doing on location reporting in the Middle East, and now she’s getting props for a political grandstand for a movement she contributes nothing to.

I...guess? If Netanyahu required a non-israeli reporter to do some weird sabbath poo poo to get an interview it'd seem similar

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I think it's much more obvious that the prez just didn't want to do the interview

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

i say swears online posted:

I think it's much more obvious that the prez just didn't want to do the interview

Leslie Stahl wore a hijab and got an interview where he waffled on whether or not the Holocaust happened, so I think he would have done the interview if Amanpour had worn one.

rafington
Aug 21, 2008

guidoanselmi posted:

Iranian protests are an annual/semi-annual rinse-repeat cycle. Arbitrary morality crack down (dogs, head scarfs, music, haircuts) > collateral > protest > brutal protest crackdown > resumption of daily affairs with the reminder that people have 0 power in getting more civil liberties.

Other protests are better tolerated (economic, changes in subsidies) as far as i've seen, probably because it brings out a more working-class crowd that falls squarely within the govt constituency.

I don't think this is right, the November 2019 protests started because of a cut to the fuel subsidy and had a mostly working class character (compared to e.g. 2009), and police killed more protesters in 2019 than in any previous wave of protests since the early years of the revolution. In general, protests in recent years haven't been been triggered by morality crackdowns, but by events like: the IRGC shootdown of a passenger plane killing hundreds of Iranians, the collapse of a building owned by a politically connected businessman killing dozens, massive water shortages affecting farmers, increases in food prices, cuts to subsidies, etc.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Dr Kool-AIDS posted:

Leslie Stahl wore a hijab and got an interview where he waffled on whether or not the Holocaust happened, so I think he would have done the interview if Amanpour had worn one.

like Chirac and the wine, it's an unreasonable ask. it was meant to torpedo the interview

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 15:55 on Sep 22, 2022

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

I think he's really just a hardliner/positioning himself to be Supreme Leader whenever Khamenei dies, so this is posturing to the only constituency he cares about, which is the other clerics back home. He's the one who instituted the more restrictive hijab enforcement this summer in the first place. If western interviewers cave to his demands (like Stahl did), fine. If they don't (like Amanpour) that's fine too.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

yeah for sure it's directed toward a domestic audience; he was probably in a hard spot because of the implications vis a vis morality police protests either way. now it's not an issue

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

So what you're both saying is that Amanpour served Raisi's interests and isn't a freedom fighter? :thunk:

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

yes. she should have had a muppets-style gag where a hidden fishing line pulls off the scarf mid-interview

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